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RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Giants - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 12:07 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 11:52 AM)Giants Wrote: SF is reportedly in the mix for Trevor Story. Let’s hope Zaidi’s recent comments were a smoke screen. I am in the group that believes a right-handed bat is needed to offset the loss of Posey.
I think SF is potentially in on anyone, but on their own terms. Rodon is a good example, high AAV but very short term commitment. If Story's market doesn't develop and he can be signed at what is perceived to be a bargain then I bet Zaidi strikes, in the scenario I mentioned in a previous post. But it's also possible that every remaining free agent will be an overpay and that SF will pass and fill out the roster with second or third tier value plays.
I still believe Castellanos and Story are the most likely signings since they fill the need of a strong right handed bat, but I would be shocked if SF stretched to sign either one or committed to a Bryant-length contract. The fact that they are still free agents at this stage is obviously promising for the Giants since unsigned players are presumably beginning to feel the pressure to find a team somewhere and are reducing their demands.
P.S. not sure where this belongs: but I believe Phogge has praised USF's MBB coach (Todd Golden) and he was hired to coach Florida today.
Philadelphia is focused on signing Castellanos. As you noted in a previous post, the price of a draft choice (plus the money) may be too high for SF to consider signing him.
Story may be looking for a Rodon-like multi-year/opt out after the first year deal. Story’s best bet is an opportunity to restore his value after a rough year in Colorado. An opt out gives him one more chance at a big contract (he will be 30 going into the ‘23 season).
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - DC 86 - 03-18-2022
(03-16-2022, 01:50 PM)Mick Wrote: Rumor: Cleveland wants "an adult" at QB. Clubhouse cancer Baker Mayfield experiment is over. Jimmy Garoppolo experiment about to begin?
Deshaun Watson wasn't the adult we were expecting, but there you go.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Phogge - 03-18-2022
Watson signs immense contract with the Browns.
Now some talk about Jimmy already vetoing a trade earlier this week.
Good for Todd Golden. Florida job infinitely better than Stanford's (if they ever thought of hiring him).
Let's see who gets the Dons job. Rebuilding but will probably add grad transfers. BTW, what a great ENTERTAINING game vs Murray State.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Giants - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 01:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Watson signs immense contract with the Browns.
Now some talk about Jimmy already vetoing a trade earlier this week.
Good for Todd Golden. Florida job infinitely better than Stanford's (if they ever thought of hiring him).
Let's see who gets the Dons job. Rebuilding but will probably add grad transfers. BTW, what a great ENTERTAINING game vs Murray State.
Since JG no longer has a no-trade clause in his contract, SF should simply deal him regardless of what he wants. Now that Watson has chosen his new home, Mayfield and Garappolo are the top guys available. With openings for a #1 in Indy, Houston, Seattle and New Orleans, the Niners should be able to find a willing trade partner.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - DC 86 - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 02:11 PM)Giants Wrote: Since JG no longer has a no-trade clause in his contract, SF should simply deal him regardless of what he wants. Now that Watson has chosen his new home, Mayfield and Garappolo are the top guys available. With openings for a #1 in Indy, Houston, Seattle and New Orleans, the Niners should be able to find a willing trade partner.
Don't forget Carolina too.
In the bigger picture it makes sense for SF to work with JG, within reason.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - teejers1 - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 02:11 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-18-2022, 01:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Watson signs immense contract with the Browns.
Now some talk about Jimmy already vetoing a trade earlier this week.
Good for Todd Golden. Florida job infinitely better than Stanford's (if they ever thought of hiring him).
Let's see who gets the Dons job. Rebuilding but will probably add grad transfers. BTW, what a great ENTERTAINING game vs Murray State.
Since JG no longer has a no-trade clause in his contract, SF should simply deal him regardless of what he wants. Now that Watson has chosen his new home, Mayfield and Garappolo are the top guys available. With openings for a #1 in Indy, Houston, Seattle and New Orleans, the Niners should be able to find a willing trade partner.
Houston's QB is better than both Jimmy and Mayfield; and New Orleans will likely re-sign Jameis.
As the team list shrinks, so does the pressure for teams on the list to trade anything. Just wait until Jimmy is released . . .
lex24 - lex24 - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 12:56 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-18-2022, 12:07 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 11:52 AM)Giants Wrote: SF is reportedly in the mix for Trevor Story. Let’s hope Zaidi’s recent comments were a smoke screen. I am in the group that believes a right-handed bat is needed to offset the loss of Posey.
I think SF is potentially in on anyone, but on their own terms. Rodon is a good example, high AAV but very short term commitment. If Story's market doesn't develop and he can be signed at what is perceived to be a bargain then I bet Zaidi strikes, in the scenario I mentioned in a previous post. But it's also possible that every remaining free agent will be an overpay and that SF will pass and fill out the roster with second or third tier value plays.
I still believe Castellanos and Story are the most likely signings since they fill the need of a strong right handed bat, but I would be shocked if SF stretched to sign either one or committed to a Bryant-length contract. The fact that they are still free agents at this stage is obviously promising for the Giants since unsigned players are presumably beginning to feel the pressure to find a team somewhere and are reducing their demands.
P.S. not sure where this belongs: but I believe Phogge has praised USF's MBB coach (Todd Golden) and he was hired to coach Florida today.
Philadelphia is focused on signing Castellanos. As you noted in a previous post, the price of a draft choice (plus the money) may be too high for SF to consider signing him.
Story may be looking for a Rodon-like multi-year/opt out after the first year deal. Story’s best bet is an opportunity to restore his value after a rough year in Colorado. An opt out gives him one more chance at a big contract (he will be 30 going into the ‘23 season).
DC you probably have a better read than I on this, but I don’t get the sense Story is in the same ballpark as Bryant money wise. And I’m talking about the real Bryant ballpark, not the massive overpay that the Rockies agreed to.
I truly hope the Giants position is not that they won’t sign anyone to a long term contract. But that is how it looks to me.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - BostonCard - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 02:11 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-18-2022, 01:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Watson signs immense contract with the Browns.
Now some talk about Jimmy already vetoing a trade earlier this week.
Good for Todd Golden. Florida job infinitely better than Stanford's (if they ever thought of hiring him).
Let's see who gets the Dons job. Rebuilding but will probably add grad transfers. BTW, what a great ENTERTAINING game vs Murray State.
Since JG no longer has a no-trade clause in his contract, SF should simply deal him regardless of what he wants. Now that Watson has chosen his new home, Mayfield and Garappolo are the top guys available. With openings for a #1 in Indy, Houston, Seattle and New Orleans, the Niners should be able to find a willing trade partner.
Word is Houston is off the list, planning to rebuild around Davis Mills.
BC
RE: lex24 - DC 86 - 03-18-2022
(03-18-2022, 05:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 12:56 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-18-2022, 12:07 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 11:52 AM)Giants Wrote: SF is reportedly in the mix for Trevor Story. Let’s hope Zaidi’s recent comments were a smoke screen. I am in the group that believes a right-handed bat is needed to offset the loss of Posey.
I think SF is potentially in on anyone, but on their own terms. Rodon is a good example, high AAV but very short term commitment. If Story's market doesn't develop and he can be signed at what is perceived to be a bargain then I bet Zaidi strikes, in the scenario I mentioned in a previous post. But it's also possible that every remaining free agent will be an overpay and that SF will pass and fill out the roster with second or third tier value plays.
I still believe Castellanos and Story are the most likely signings since they fill the need of a strong right handed bat, but I would be shocked if SF stretched to sign either one or committed to a Bryant-length contract. The fact that they are still free agents at this stage is obviously promising for the Giants since unsigned players are presumably beginning to feel the pressure to find a team somewhere and are reducing their demands.
P.S. not sure where this belongs: but I believe Phogge has praised USF's MBB coach (Todd Golden) and he was hired to coach Florida today.
Philadelphia is focused on signing Castellanos. As you noted in a previous post, the price of a draft choice (plus the money) may be too high for SF to consider signing him.
Story may be looking for a Rodon-like multi-year/opt out after the first year deal. Story’s best bet is an opportunity to restore his value after a rough year in Colorado. An opt out gives him one more chance at a big contract (he will be 30 going into the ‘23 season).
DC you probably have a better read than I on this, but I don’t get the sense Story is in the same ballpark as Bryant money wise. And I’m talking about the real Bryant ballpark, not the massive overpay that the Rockies agreed to.
I truly hope the Giants position is not that they won’t sign anyone to a long term contract. But that is how it looks to me.
If Story signs a long term contract I believe it will be in the Bryant range, meaning ~$25 million/year (although certainly not seven years.) And it's not inconceivable for someone like Seattle to make such an offer. I assume that the Giants are "in" on him in the sense that if his market collapses and he's open to a creative contract then they will step up as a fallback position, something along the lines of a Rodon deal (two years with an opt out after one year, but for more money of course), or a three or four year deal that's front loaded, also with an opt out. SF has a lot to offer: a respected coaching staff with proven results in helping players improve (relevant to Story coming off a bad year), the chance to play second base (relevant to Story who had elbow issues last year), a path to return to shortstop at some point, the opportunity to remain in the NL. Of course Boston offers some of the same things with the added feature of an excellent ballpark for right handed hitters.
It's the last chance this offseason for SF to add some right handed power, while upgrading at second and/or third base while providing cover at shortstop, without costing anything other than money. If the opportunity is there I have to believe the Giants would make an aggressive offer within their constraint of a short term deal, it just makes too much sense. Of course I think it makes even more sense for SF try to sign Carlos Correa for something like 8 years/$36 million AAV and it doesn't look like that's happening.
P.S. Kenley Jansen moving to Atlanta.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Mick - 03-18-2022
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Watson signs immense contract with the Browns.
Now some talk about Jimmy already vetoing a trade earlier this week.
Good for Todd Golden. Florida job infinitely better than Stanford's (if they ever thought of hiring him).
Let's see who gets the Dons job. Rebuilding but will probably add grad transfers. BTW, what a great ENTERTAINING game vs Murray State.
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Garoppolo's no-trade clause expired at the beginning of the league year, March 16.
RE: lex24 - lex24 - 03-19-2022
(03-18-2022, 07:24 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 05:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 12:56 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-18-2022, 12:07 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-18-2022, 11:52 AM)Giants Wrote: SF is reportedly in the mix for Trevor Story. Let’s hope Zaidi’s recent comments were a smoke screen. I am in the group that believes a right-handed bat is needed to offset the loss of Posey.
I think SF is potentially in on anyone, but on their own terms. Rodon is a good example, high AAV but very short term commitment. If Story's market doesn't develop and he can be signed at what is perceived to be a bargain then I bet Zaidi strikes, in the scenario I mentioned in a previous post. But it's also possible that every remaining free agent will be an overpay and that SF will pass and fill out the roster with second or third tier value plays.
I still believe Castellanos and Story are the most likely signings since they fill the need of a strong right handed bat, but I would be shocked if SF stretched to sign either one or committed to a Bryant-length contract. The fact that they are still free agents at this stage is obviously promising for the Giants since unsigned players are presumably beginning to feel the pressure to find a team somewhere and are reducing their demands.
P.S. not sure where this belongs: but I believe Phogge has praised USF's MBB coach (Todd Golden) and he was hired to coach Florida today.
Philadelphia is focused on signing Castellanos. As you noted in a previous post, the price of a draft choice (plus the money) may be too high for SF to consider signing him.
Story may be looking for a Rodon-like multi-year/opt out after the first year deal. Story’s best bet is an opportunity to restore his value after a rough year in Colorado. An opt out gives him one more chance at a big contract (he will be 30 going into the ‘23 season).
DC you probably have a better read than I on this, but I don’t get the sense Story is in the same ballpark as Bryant money wise. And I’m talking about the real Bryant ballpark, not the massive overpay that the Rockies agreed to.
I truly hope the Giants position is not that they won’t sign anyone to a long term contract. But that is how it looks to me.
If Story signs a long term contract I believe it will be in the Bryant range, meaning ~$25 million/year (although certainly not seven years.) And it's not inconceivable for someone like Seattle to make such an offer. I assume that the Giants are "in" on him in the sense that if his market collapses and he's open to a creative contract then they will step up as a fallback position, something along the lines of a Rodon deal (two years with an opt out after one year, but for more money of course), or a three or four year deal that's front loaded, also with an opt out. SF has a lot to offer: a respected coaching staff with proven results in helping players improve (relevant to Story coming off a bad year), the chance to play second base (relevant to Story who had elbow issues last year), a path to return to shortstop at some point, the opportunity to remain in the NL. Of course Boston offers some of the same things with the added feature of an excellent ballpark for right handed hitters.
It's the last chance this offseason for SF to add some right handed power, while upgrading at second and/or third base while providing cover at shortstop, without costing anything other than money. If the opportunity is there I have to believe the Giants would make an aggressive offer within their constraint of a short term deal, it just makes too much sense. Of course I think it makes even more sense for SF try to sign Carlos Correa for something like 8 years/$36 million AAV and it doesn't look like that's happening.
P.S. Kenley Jansen moving to Atlanta.
Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
RE: lex24 - DC 86 - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 12:32 AM)lex24 Wrote: Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
I assume that if the money was similar that Correa would have wanted to remain at shortstop and perhaps in the AL, but it still seems that SF should have been talking to him along these lines. Now we'll see if SF tries something similar with Story.
lex24 - lex24 - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 09:11 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 12:32 AM)lex24 Wrote: Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
I assume that if the money was similar that Correa would have wanted to remain at shortstop and perhaps in the AL, but it still seems that SF should have been talking to him along these lines. Now we'll see if SF tries something similar with Story.
Castellanos would have been a nice add. 5 for $100 mill. All I see from Giants fans is they are glad they won’t “overpay” for a player. Still she’ll shocked for ‘18 and ‘19. But adding a major FA signing or even two fits easily within what should be a $200,000,000 budget. Fans should be screaming. But they think last year is how it’s going to work. Giants are goin* to outsmart, outwork, out platoon and out comraderie their opposition.
Last year was amazing. Also not sustainable. Plus, the dirty little secret is the offense was led by 4 old dudes - Posey, Craw, Belt and, when healthy, Longoria. Then Bryant when added. The 3 that are left repeating their ‘21 seasons is questionable at best. While other teams at or near the top add on, the Giants look for bargains. Not good.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - BobK - 03-19-2022
Lex I’m screaming. We are certainly way above the As in spending but not one real bay is stupid
RE: lex24 - Giants - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 09:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:11 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 12:32 AM)lex24 Wrote: Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
I assume that if the money was similar that Correa would have wanted to remain at shortstop and perhaps in the AL, but it still seems that SF should have been talking to him along these lines. Now we'll see if SF tries something similar with Story.
Castellanos would have been a nice add. 5 for $100 mill. All I see from Giants fans is they are glad they won’t “overpay” for a player. Still she’ll shocked for ‘18 and ‘19. But adding a major FA signing or even two fits easily within what should be a $200,000,000 budget. Fans should be screaming. But they think last year is how it’s going to work. Giants are goin* to outsmart, outwork, out platoon and out comraderie their opposition.
Last year was amazing. Also not sustainable. Plus, the dirty little secret is the offense was led by 4 old dudes - Posey, Craw, Belt and, when healthy, Longoria. Then Bryant when added. The 3 that are left repeating their ‘21 seasons is questionable at best. While other teams at or near the top add on, the Giants look for bargains. Not good.
Castellanos - a nice add, yes; but not for five years. I don’t think he will age well. And, yes, count me among those who are happy to see the Giants not throwing around silly money just to acquire a “name”. I do believe they need a right-handed power bat. However, with the Rangers in the mix for Story (along with SF, Boston and the Yankees), I don’t see him coming to the Giants. Therefore, no big contracts are in the offing.
Heck, maybe Ramos will be the guy we are looking for…….
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - triangle2 - 03-19-2022
It has occurred to me that two things may be happening in Giants land:
1. Farhan is legitimately seeing this as a year where he thinks the best reinforcements are coming from prospects.
2. They have figured out that the best plan is to stay in contention until they can pick up a couple of really good rent-a-players at the deadline; maybe with luck, they get someone where they have team control for 2022-23. It's possible that this approach gets you a better player and ends up being cheaper because you are capitalizing on some tanking team's misfortune.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - DC 86 - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 12:26 PM)triangle2 Wrote: It has occurred to me that two things may be happening in Giants land:
1. Farhan is legitimately seeing this as a year where he thinks the best reinforcements are coming from prospects.
2. They have figured out that the best plan is to stay in contention until they can pick up a couple of really good rent-a-players at the deadline; maybe with luck, they get someone where they have team control for 2022-23. It's possible that this approach gets you a better player and ends up being cheaper because you are capitalizing on some tanking team's misfortune.
But good teams with adequate resources do everything; one approach doesn't preclude another. The Giants main competitors are active in all areas every year. In any case:
1. Of the Giants top 10 prospects only one (Ramos) has played above A-ball. He's really the only possible reinforcement currently in the system, and it's quite optimistic that he's already a superior player to available free agents.
2. Deadline acquisitions are indeed frequently better players but they come at a cost, usually highly ranked prospects. So a rental may (or may not) be cheaper in terms of salary but will ultimately be more expensive because you give up valuable player capital. Because of expanded playoffs there is now a surplus of contenders vs tankers, which is why in recent years tanking teams have had the leverage to negotiate strong prospect packages in return for veterans that they make available. It's still often worthwhile to act in this market, but a high revenue team such as SF has to weigh acquisition cost in the rental market against the purely financial cost of signing free agents.
The Giants are doing a good job developing their farm system, and they should be opportunistic at the trade deadline, but those are not substitutes for acquiring talent through other means, they're supplements.
RE: lex24 - lex24 - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 11:02 AM)Giants Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:11 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 12:32 AM)lex24 Wrote: Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
I assume that if the money was similar that Correa would have wanted to remain at shortstop and perhaps in the AL, but it still seems that SF should have been talking to him along these lines. Now we'll see if SF tries something similar with Story.
Castellanos would have been a nice add. 5 for $100 mill. All I see from Giants fans is they are glad they won’t “overpay” for a player. Still she’ll shocked for ‘18 and ‘19. But adding a major FA signing or even two fits easily within what should be a $200,000,000 budget. Fans should be screaming. But they think last year is how it’s going to work. Giants are goin* to outsmart, outwork, out platoon and out comraderie their opposition.
Last year was amazing. Also not sustainable. Plus, the dirty little secret is the offense was led by 4 old dudes - Posey, Craw, Belt and, when healthy, Longoria. Then Bryant when added. The 3 that are left repeating their ‘21 seasons is questionable at best. While other teams at or near the top add on, the Giants look for bargains. Not good.
Castellanos - a nice add, yes; but not for five years. I don’t think he will age well. And, yes, count me among those who are happy to see the Giants not throwing around silly money just to acquire a “name”. I do believe they need a right-handed power bat. However, with the Rangers in the mix for Story (along with SF, Boston and the Yankees), I don’t see him coming to the Giants. Therefore, no big contracts are in the offing.
Heck, maybe Ramos will be the guy we are looking for…….
Silly money? Seeger? Semien, Marte, Castellanos, Suzuki, Schwarber, Correa. Freeman. Olson? All dumb? (I’ll give you Bryant as from what I read Rockies were way beyond what anyone else offered. Kind o& like when Giants signed Zito).
Sorry, but I don’t buy the “all long term contracts are bad” argument. Nor do I think that the Giants are just smarter than everyone else.
RE: lex24 - DC 86 - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 01:17 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 11:02 AM)Giants Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:11 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 12:32 AM)lex24 Wrote: Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
I assume that if the money was similar that Correa would have wanted to remain at shortstop and perhaps in the AL, but it still seems that SF should have been talking to him along these lines. Now we'll see if SF tries something similar with Story.
Castellanos would have been a nice add. 5 for $100 mill. All I see from Giants fans is they are glad they won’t “overpay” for a player. Still she’ll shocked for ‘18 and ‘19. But adding a major FA signing or even two fits easily within what should be a $200,000,000 budget. Fans should be screaming. But they think last year is how it’s going to work. Giants are goin* to outsmart, outwork, out platoon and out comraderie their opposition.
Last year was amazing. Also not sustainable. Plus, the dirty little secret is the offense was led by 4 old dudes - Posey, Craw, Belt and, when healthy, Longoria. Then Bryant when added. The 3 that are left repeating their ‘21 seasons is questionable at best. While other teams at or near the top add on, the Giants look for bargains. Not good.
Castellanos - a nice add, yes; but not for five years. I don’t think he will age well. And, yes, count me among those who are happy to see the Giants not throwing around silly money just to acquire a “name”. I do believe they need a right-handed power bat. However, with the Rangers in the mix for Story (along with SF, Boston and the Yankees), I don’t see him coming to the Giants. Therefore, no big contracts are in the offing.
Heck, maybe Ramos will be the guy we are looking for…….
Silly money? Seeger? Semien, Marte, Castellanos, Suzuki, Schwarber, Correa. Freeman All dumb? (I’ll give you Bryant as from what I read Rockies were way beyond what anyone else offered. Kind o& like when Giants signed Zito).
Sorry, but I don’t buy the “all long term contracts are bad” argument.
Correa isn't even a long term contract. He's 27 years old (doesn't turn 28 until late September) and an elite player at multiple positions. It's embarrassing for Minnesota to sign him instead of SF, because there's almost no downside.
Re the discussion above. Are the farm team reinforcements as good as Correa? of course not. Could a player of Correa's caliber be acquired at the trade deadline? perhaps, but at high cost (meaning the upper tier of those reinforcements) and of course it could be too late because the team isn't in serious contention. It's almost literally money into Correa's pocket or money remaining in Charlie Johnson's pocket. (Yes I know, taxes, agents, partners, but my point stands.)
RE: lex24 - Giants - 03-19-2022
(03-19-2022, 01:17 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 11:02 AM)Giants Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 09:11 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(03-19-2022, 12:32 AM)lex24 Wrote: Correa to Twins. 3 years $105 million. He has opt outs after each of first two years.
I assume that if the money was similar that Correa would have wanted to remain at shortstop and perhaps in the AL, but it still seems that SF should have been talking to him along these lines. Now we'll see if SF tries something similar with Story.
Castellanos would have been a nice add. 5 for $100 mill. All I see from Giants fans is they are glad they won’t “overpay” for a player. Still she’ll shocked for ‘18 and ‘19. But adding a major FA signing or even two fits easily within what should be a $200,000,000 budget. Fans should be screaming. But they think last year is how it’s going to work. Giants are goin* to outsmart, outwork, out platoon and out comraderie their opposition.
Last year was amazing. Also not sustainable. Plus, the dirty little secret is the offense was led by 4 old dudes - Posey, Craw, Belt and, when healthy, Longoria. Then Bryant when added. The 3 that are left repeating their ‘21 seasons is questionable at best. While other teams at or near the top add on, the Giants look for bargains. Not good.
Castellanos - a nice add, yes; but not for five years. I don’t think he will age well. And, yes, count me among those who are happy to see the Giants not throwing around silly money just to acquire a “name”. I do believe they need a right-handed power bat. However, with the Rangers in the mix for Story (along with SF, Boston and the Yankees), I don’t see him coming to the Giants. Therefore, no big contracts are in the offing.
Heck, maybe Ramos will be the guy we are looking for…….
Silly money? Seeger? Semien, Marte, Castellanos, Suzuki, Schwarber, Correa. Freeman. Olson? All dumb? (I’ll give you Bryant as from what I read Rockies were way beyond what anyone else offered. Kind o& like when Giants signed Zito).
Sorry, but I don’t buy the “all long term contracts are bad” argument. Nor do I think that the Giants are just smarter than everyone else.
Whoa. Hang on a second. NO ONE ever said that “all long term contracts are bad”.
Instead, a more measured analysis is in order….
First, I would define a six+ year contract for nine figures as silly money. I would suggest that more often than not, those contracts do not age well. YES, there are definitely exceptions to the rule.
Here are the contracts signed this off-season that fall in the silly money category:
Seager - $325M for 10 years
Bryant - $182M for 7 years
Semien - $175M for 7 years
Olson - $168M for 8 years
Freemen - $162 for 6 years
Baez - $140M for 6 years
Of those, I like the Olson deal. The others? Not so much.
Note: I get the notion that LA is willing to throw money away long term in order to wave the “World Series or bust” flag this year.
Of the other guys you mentioned (Marte, Castellanos, Suzuki, Schwarber, Correa), here are my thoughts:
Marte - 4 years/$78 million. Reasonable.
Castellanos - 5 years/$100 million. Term is problematic - bad signing
Suzuki - 5 years/$99.625M (incl. payment to Hiroshima). Reasonable.
Schwarber - 4 years/$79M. Term is problematic - bad signing
Correa - 3 years/105M. Given the opt outs, a great decision by both parties.
By the way, the other three nine figure contracts were signed by Gausman, Ray and Scherzer for five, five and three years respectively. Of those, the Scherzer deal was a good move. The other two represent problematic terms.