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RE: End of Pac12? - nvdacard - 08-07-2022
(08-03-2022, 01:04 PM)CTcard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:34 AM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:31 AM)fullmetal Wrote: It's *all* just a money grab, but what we're seeing these days is that it takes more and more money to succeed at football...and so everyone has to grab successfully where they can :(
It's not just football. ADs are looking at funding Title IX requirements and their entire athletic departments.
While true, the ADs at the biggest places are mainly funding Title IX and other sports after they pay their football coaches whatever sums the coaches' can dream up.
I have been wondering a bit whether the nature of the money required to be good at football might be changing. Money mostly buys two things: coaches and recruiting advantages.
With the latter, the source of money it takes may be changing now that paying players to join your team has become allowed as long as you dress it up in a NIL frock. It may be that fancy facilities and lux treatment may soon matter less than cold hard cash. The curious thing about NIL money is that it still cannot come directly from the institute (at least by the rules). So, extra TV money, extra playoff money, or anything else that goes to the institution may be relatively less valuable in recruiting kids than deep pockets of crazed fans. While that tends to be tied to the overall media profile of a program, it isn't necessarily so.
So, Phil Knight could give all the Oregon players a NIL contract to promote Nike.
The descendants of T. Boone Pickens could give all the Ok State players a NIL gig discussing how much they love natural gas.
Etc. for other wealthy fans.
If its big enough, those teams could become awfully good even out of the ACC, Pac or Big 12.
As it stands right now, the counterpunch to big time NIL money is the transfer portal. Some young man is signed to a program with a large NIL cash offer. He realizes that he would rather play more meaningful time. He enters the portal. Under the current rules, he can't transfer again until graduation.
Now Stanford must have some NIL money but not enough that we have to compete with Phil Knight etc. And I think this is something that we could do. For example, I think a commercial or two with some Stanford players gaming out with NVIDIA products would be really cool. Would that be gauche?
It will rankle a lot of fans to see the school participate in this. This is the world we have. The sky won't fall on Stanford. Some adjustments to this new reality have to be made.
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 08:55 AM)nvdacard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 01:04 PM)CTcard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:34 AM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:31 AM)fullmetal Wrote: It's *all* just a money grab, but what we're seeing these days is that it takes more and more money to succeed at football...and so everyone has to grab successfully where they can :(
It's not just football. ADs are looking at funding Title IX requirements and their entire athletic departments.
While true, the ADs at the biggest places are mainly funding Title IX and other sports after they pay their football coaches whatever sums the coaches' can dream up.
I have been wondering a bit whether the nature of the money required to be good at football might be changing. Money mostly buys two things: coaches and recruiting advantages.
With the latter, the source of money it takes may be changing now that paying players to join your team has become allowed as long as you dress it up in a NIL frock. It may be that fancy facilities and lux treatment may soon matter less than cold hard cash. The curious thing about NIL money is that it still cannot come directly from the institute (at least by the rules). So, extra TV money, extra playoff money, or anything else that goes to the institution may be relatively less valuable in recruiting kids than deep pockets of crazed fans. While that tends to be tied to the overall media profile of a program, it isn't necessarily so.
So, Phil Knight could give all the Oregon players a NIL contract to promote Nike.
The descendants of T. Boone Pickens could give all the Ok State players a NIL gig discussing how much they love natural gas.
Etc. for other wealthy fans.
If its big enough, those teams could become awfully good even out of the ACC, Pac or Big 12.
As it stands right now, the counterpunch to big time NIL money is the transfer portal. Some young man is signed to a program with a large NIL cash offer. He realizes that he would rather play more meaningful time. He enters the portal. Under the current rules, he can't transfer again until graduation.
Now Stanford must have some NIL money but not enough that we have to compete with Phil Knight etc. And I think this is something that we could do. For example, I think a commercial or two with some Stanford players gaming out with NVIDIA products would be really cool. Would that be gauche?
It will rankle a lot of fans to see the school participate in this. This is the world we have. The sky won't fall on Stanford. Some adjustments to this new reality have to be made.
Players can transfer multiple times. However, a second (or third) transfer requires a “sit out” year unless a waiver from the NCAA is obtained.
RE: End of Pac12? - nvdacard - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 09:34 AM)Giants Wrote:(08-07-2022, 08:55 AM)nvdacard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 01:04 PM)CTcard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:34 AM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:31 AM)fullmetal Wrote: It's *all* just a money grab, but what we're seeing these days is that it takes more and more money to succeed at football...and so everyone has to grab successfully where they can :(
It's not just football. ADs are looking at funding Title IX requirements and their entire athletic departments.
While true, the ADs at the biggest places are mainly funding Title IX and other sports after they pay their football coaches whatever sums the coaches' can dream up.
I have been wondering a bit whether the nature of the money required to be good at football might be changing. Money mostly buys two things: coaches and recruiting advantages.
With the latter, the source of money it takes may be changing now that paying players to join your team has become allowed as long as you dress it up in a NIL frock. It may be that fancy facilities and lux treatment may soon matter less than cold hard cash. The curious thing about NIL money is that it still cannot come directly from the institute (at least by the rules). So, extra TV money, extra playoff money, or anything else that goes to the institution may be relatively less valuable in recruiting kids than deep pockets of crazed fans. While that tends to be tied to the overall media profile of a program, it isn't necessarily so.
So, Phil Knight could give all the Oregon players a NIL contract to promote Nike.
The descendants of T. Boone Pickens could give all the Ok State players a NIL gig discussing how much they love natural gas.
Etc. for other wealthy fans.
If its big enough, those teams could become awfully good even out of the ACC, Pac or Big 12.
As it stands right now, the counterpunch to big time NIL money is the transfer portal. Some young man is signed to a program with a large NIL cash offer. He realizes that he would rather play more meaningful time. He enters the portal. Under the current rules, he can't transfer again until graduation.
Now Stanford must have some NIL money but not enough that we have to compete with Phil Knight etc. And I think this is something that we could do. For example, I think a commercial or two with some Stanford players gaming out with NVIDIA products would be really cool. Would that be gauche?
It will rankle a lot of fans to see the school participate in this. This is the world we have. The sky won't fall on Stanford. Some adjustments to this new reality have to be made.
Players can transfer multiple times. However, a second (or third) transfer requires a “sit out” year unless a waiver from the NCAA is obtained.
This is true. However, it at least invokes the original deterrent to transferring. The sit out year would help to ward off a free agency bidding war which is what will happen to many of our promising high school recruits. Bringing in transfers basically returns that roster spot to the more stable operating conditions we were used to prior to the new NCAA rules.
RE: End of Pac12? - Mick - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 09:34 AM)Giants Wrote:(08-07-2022, 08:55 AM)nvdacard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 01:04 PM)CTcard Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:34 AM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(08-03-2022, 10:31 AM)fullmetal Wrote: It's *all* just a money grab, but what we're seeing these days is that it takes more and more money to succeed at football...and so everyone has to grab successfully where they can :(
It's not just football. ADs are looking at funding Title IX requirements and their entire athletic departments.
While true, the ADs at the biggest places are mainly funding Title IX and other sports after they pay their football coaches whatever sums the coaches' can dream up.
I have been wondering a bit whether the nature of the money required to be good at football might be changing. Money mostly buys two things: coaches and recruiting advantages.
With the latter, the source of money it takes may be changing now that paying players to join your team has become allowed as long as you dress it up in a NIL frock. It may be that fancy facilities and lux treatment may soon matter less than cold hard cash. The curious thing about NIL money is that it still cannot come directly from the institute (at least by the rules). So, extra TV money, extra playoff money, or anything else that goes to the institution may be relatively less valuable in recruiting kids than deep pockets of crazed fans. While that tends to be tied to the overall media profile of a program, it isn't necessarily so.
So, Phil Knight could give all the Oregon players a NIL contract to promote Nike.
The descendants of T. Boone Pickens could give all the Ok State players a NIL gig discussing how much they love natural gas.
Etc. for other wealthy fans.
If its big enough, those teams could become awfully good even out of the ACC, Pac or Big 12.
As it stands right now, the counterpunch to big time NIL money is the transfer portal. Some young man is signed to a program with a large NIL cash offer. He realizes that he would rather play more meaningful time. He enters the portal. Under the current rules, he can't transfer again until graduation.
Now Stanford must have some NIL money but not enough that we have to compete with Phil Knight etc. And I think this is something that we could do. For example, I think a commercial or two with some Stanford players gaming out with NVIDIA products would be really cool. Would that be gauche?
It will rankle a lot of fans to see the school participate in this. This is the world we have. The sky won't fall on Stanford. Some adjustments to this new reality have to be made.
Players can transfer multiple times. However, a second (or third) transfer requires a “sit out” year unless a waiver from the NCAA is obtained.
Same is true for coaches, right?
Ha-ha, just kidding. Obviously.
RE: End of Pac12? - Spiny_Norman - 08-08-2022
Report coming out that the B10's next media rights contract will not include ESPN. Fox along with NBC and CBS appear to be the finalists.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB-Blogs/Newsletter-Media/2022/08/08.aspx
This development would mean that ESPN would have money to spend on a deal for the future P10. Or maybe this is where we are headed.
[twitter]https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1556796942851530753[/twitter]
RE: End of Pac12? - ColoradoTree - 08-09-2022
Get ready for Pac-12 (Almost Exclusively, Because That's The Only Timeslot Where They'll Pay Us Real Money) After Dark!
RE: End of Pac12? - Mick - 08-09-2022
(08-09-2022, 09:25 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote: Get ready for Pac-12 (Almost Exclusively, Because That's The Only Timeslot Where They'll Pay Us Real Money) After Dark!
Haven't watched a domestic live sports contest at 2 a.m. in a while, so this will be unique.
RE: End of Pac12? - CTcard - 08-09-2022
(08-07-2022, 08:55 AM)nvdacard Wrote: Now Stanford must have some NIL money but not enough that we have to compete with Phil Knight etc. And I think this is something that we could do. For example, I think a commercial or two with some Stanford players gaming out with NVIDIA products would be really cool. Would that be gauche?
Strictly speaking, I don't think Stanford University can have any NIL money. At least my understanding is that is supposed to be independent of the university.
You will see some Stanford athletes making commercial endorsements for various stuff, and as far as I can see the institution will have no problem with that. What apparently Stanford could but won't do, is act as the broker for large-scale NIL arrangements to whole swathes of recruits.
And of course, "Stanford" as in its universe of alums/supporters, could provide as much NIL money as anywhere. While Stanford alums and fans may be a smaller group than many Power 5 teams, as a group they are richer. Exactly how many would want to throw their money in that direction is unclear to me.
RE: End of Pac12? - BobK - 08-09-2022
I’m almost sure Stanford hired someone to help athletes get NIL money. However looking at the directory I can’t determine who that is
RE: End of Pac12? - Jamesy - 08-09-2022
(08-09-2022, 05:02 PM)BobK Wrote: I’m almost sure Stanford hired someone to help athletes get NIL money. However looking at the directory I can’t determine who that isI think it's this person, based on job title. https://gostanford.com/staff-directory/katie-holloway-bridge/3074
RE: End of Pac12? - chrisk - 08-11-2022
The Chair of the Pac-12 Group, UofO president Michael Schill, moves to Northwestern this fall, as NU quickly moved to fill opening after the president-elect bowed out last month because of cancer diagnosis. Schill was educated at Princeton and Yale, but was dean at UCLA and University of Chicago before becoming Oregon president in 2015.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/08/new-northwestern-president-michael-schill/
Could this move affect relations between the Pac-12 and the Big 10?
RE: End of Pac12? - burger - 08-11-2022
The UC Regents are discussing the UCLA move in a closed session at their August 17th meeting. https://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/aug22/boardx.pdf
RE: End of Pac12? - 82lsju - 08-11-2022
(08-09-2022, 05:44 PM)Jamesy Wrote:(08-09-2022, 05:02 PM)BobK Wrote: I’m almost sure Stanford hired someone to help athletes get NIL money. However looking at the directory I can’t determine who that isI think it's this person, based on job title. https://gostanford.com/staff-directory/katie-holloway-bridge/3074
here is her linkedin profile
https://www.linkedin.com/in/katieholloway/
RE: End of Pac12? - gailtate - 08-11-2022
(08-11-2022, 11:56 AM)burger Wrote: The UC Regents are discussing the UCLA move in a closed session at their August 17th meeting. https://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/aug22/boardx.pdf
Uh, the bus is out of the barn. The horses sailed. Or something like that.
RE: End of Pac12? - chrisk - 08-11-2022
(08-11-2022, 11:30 AM)chrisk Wrote: The Chair of the Pac-12 Group, UofO president Michael Schill, moves to Northwestern this fall, as NU quickly moved to fill opening after the president-elect bowed out last month because of cancer diagnosis. Schill was educated at Princeton and Yale, but was dean at UCLA and University of Chicago before becoming Oregon president in 2015.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/08/new-northwestern-president-michael-schill/
Could this move affect relations between the Pac-12 and the Big 10?
Canzano's Oregon perspective on Schill leaving UO for Northwestern.
https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-oregon-president-michael
RE: End of Pac12? - Softball Fan - 08-12-2022
https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1558138013183397888
As was pointed out to me, Big Ten is going to make more from CBS/NBC for roughly 26 football games than the entire NHL makes from its national TV deals.
Factor in Fox $$/CFP/NCAA/etc. and conference distribution per school should top what MLB teams receive from their national deals too.
RE: End of Pac12? - PAsportsfan - 08-18-2022
7 Years---$7 billion deal
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911/big-ten-completes-7-year-7-billion-media-rights-agreement-fox-cbs-nbc
RE: End of Pac12? - old spanish trail - 08-18-2022
Something in the Merc today that, after the Regent's meeting, the UCLA move "may not be a done deal". All I could read was the headline. I doubt that's the way it will go, but you never know.
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 08-18-2022
(08-18-2022, 04:50 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: Something in the Merc today that, after the Regent's meeting, the UCLA move "may not be a done deal". All I could read was the headline. I doubt that's the way it will go, but you never know.
One regent makes waves with an off-hand comment and Cal fans cling to it like it’s the “Raft of the Medusa”. While there may be a bone tossed to Berkeley in the form of some cash, the deal is done. UCLA is in the Big Ten.
Heck, one regent asked about the idea of moving Cal to Division 3. That isn’t happening either.
Regents are politicians. Nothing more; nothing less. To coin a phrase…. They go with the wind and right now the wind is blowing in the direction of Vichy (and we know how that turned out)…
RE: End of Pac12? - Softball Fan - 08-18-2022
I've read a number of articles today. Regents meeting was much ado about nothing. They basically admitted UCLA has the right to make its own decisions under the current rules. There was talk about voting in September to make UC schools in the future get approval from the Regents before making a change in conference. Ironically the only school that might hurt is Cal.