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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 11-27-2022
Wasn’t there a game today? I see the Niners shut out the Saints. McCaffrey seems to have had a pretty forgettable day.
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 11-27-2022
Well, it wasn't pretty, but the Niners won 13-0. Paulson Adebo, former Stanford safety played well for the Saints.
The Niner defense stepped up brobdingnagian. The Saints had the longest streak in the NFL of not being shut out, not since the last week of the 2001 season (think of all the games with Drew Brees) and the Niners were the last team to shut them out. Niners haven't given up a point in six straight quarters.
Niner offense was not great. 221 passing yards, 96 rushing yards, 21 first downs, 67 plays, each team gave up a sack, each team had 6 penalties. One of the penalties cancelled out what would have been Garoppolo's first interception in four games. Niners owned time of possession, 34:50 to 25:10. Mitchell carried 7 times for 35 yards, but has a sprained MCL. McCaffrey was 11 carries, 32 yards. Jordan Mason looked terrific at the end of the game with 5 carries for 25 yards.
Garoppolo's rating was 94.7, his QBR was 77.5. He ranks 5th in the NFL for rating, and 18th for QBR. His record in his first 49 games as a Niner (including playoffs) is 40-19, same as Steve Young's, and better than Joe Montana's 37-22.
Niners have the third best point differential in the NFC (+76), right behind the Cowboys at +92 and the Eagles at +80. The Vikings are 9-2, but their net point differential is +5.
Niners (7-4) are currently ranked third in the conference, per NFL.com/standings/conference/2022/REG. They have six games remaining, four at home, and the road games are in Las Vegas and Seattle.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 11-28-2022
I guess you need to start with the Defense when it gets a shutout. Man, Fred Warner was an absolute monster for Niners against the Saints. He was everywhere. Even when beat, he was right there to nearly knock a ball away in pass coverage. The other guy who stood out was Talanoa Hufanga. Between those two, 16 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, 2 passes defensed, lots of QB pressures, and they even helped create stops when they weren't getting on the stat sheet for what they did. Nick Bosa was held so many times I lost count, with I believe only one actually called. Mark Sanchez said on the broadcast that Bosa was offside on his 4th quarter 4th down sack. He wasn't. He actually had perfect timing because he was lined up a bit off the LOS when he came out of his stance, and moved across it as the ball was snapped.
It's so frustrating watching games on TV when the offense isn't productive passing the ball, because you just can't see down field to tell if receivers were open or not. Need to be in the stadium or watching All-22. I'd pay for a subscription to watch the All-22 live. That's only available now after the games are played. Anyway, it seemed Garoppolo was waiting too long to throw the ball against Saints and not throwing with anticipation. Then he missed an open CMac down the sideline.
I know he has 67% completions and a 16-4 TD-INT, but I just don't believe the Niners can win it all with Garoppolo at QB. The Niners have played one really good team and lost badly. Granted they were terrible in all phases of that game, so not all on G, but he was awful in that game. Beat the Dolphins and I will believe it possible to win a ring with G.
When you have a defense like the Niners have - that will be getting Arik Armstead back - and the array of offensive stars it has, you just can't be happy with anything less than a Lombardi Trophy this year. I'm tired of extending the NFC Championship Game appearance record. I want another Super Bowl victory outside the Bill Walsh Era of influence, and to not see this roster go to waste. Niners fans have already endured losing to the freaking Bears and Broncos this season. Time to make up for stepping on those rakes with a victory over the #2 team in the AFC.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-28-2022
Niners weakest unit is offensive line. Particularly the interior. And they struggled Sunday. Mason got his yards in garbage time. Overall, the inside running game was essentially stuffed.
Mitchell hurt, which would be a big loss. Hopefully not out long. CMac also had something going on with a knee. Although he came back in.
JG did not play as well as he had in last couple. But I think you attribute that to NO defense. He got hit a lot. NO got consistent pressure. He missed McCaffrey on the sideline for what should have been a big gain. Also missed that he had a walk in TD when he hit Jennings at the one.(JG was looking right, CMac had swung left). Not really his fault, if as I suspect, Jennings was first option.
This was a trap game. They played in higher altitude than any NFL venue Monday night, got back Tuesday morning, had no on field practice till Friday. Gut check game and they passed. All NFL teams have games like this. That they won is a great sign.
As for CMac, he does not look as explosive to me as in the past. Keep an eye on injured list this week. JG also was limping after a nasty hit on his knee.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 11-28-2022
Oh dear, the Niners can't run. BS. The Saints can defend, especially with their big boys up front. With a rookie, an almost rookie and a first time starter in the middle the Niners are doing better up front than expected this season. When it mattered they push the hell out of the front. Mason will have to play more since Stewart is an injury waiting to happen.
Some horrific calls but then you guys aren't looking through my long lens.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-30-2022
(11-28-2022, 09:59 AM)Phogge Wrote: Oh dear, the Niners can't run. BS. The Saints can defend, especially with their big boys up front. With a rookie, an almost rookie and a first time starter in the middle the Niners are doing better up front than expected this season. When it mattered they push the hell out of the front. Mason will have to play more since Stewart is an injury waiting to happen.
Some horrific calls but then you guys aren't looking through my long lens.
Who is Stewart? And who said Niners can’t run? Certainly not me. I said that their weakest unit is o-line, especially the interior. Which I believe is true. Also acknowledged the “trap” aspect of the NO game. Actually did that before the game. I expected a tough go. Especially offensively. Good win overall.
Tough one Sunday. Tua has big time weapons and is very accurate. Niners will need to put pressure on him. I’m hoping Armstead is back. Kinlaw should be ready around game 12 in 2023……
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 11-30-2022
I have been calling Mitchell Stewart for two years. Senior moments.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-30-2022
(11-30-2022, 09:03 PM)Phogge Wrote: I have been calling Mitchell Stewart for two years. Senior moments.
Got it. I have plenty of those…..
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 12-04-2022
Jimmy done for the year. What a bummer for him and the team.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 12-04-2022
Brock Purdue was… not bad.
Bummer for Garopalo, but this team will be led by its defense.
McCaffrey was back to leading the team in both rushing and receiving.
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 12-04-2022
(12-04-2022, 06:30 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Jimmy done for the year. What a bummer for him and the team.
Feel very bad for him. He was playing well. This not only is a bummer for this year, it’s going to cost him a lot of money.
I suspect Lynch is working the phones. Fitzpatrick, Newton. Or, Kaepernick? What a story that would be…. Dont think they can make a trade as deadline passed.
They have to pick up someone. Purdy and Eason is their part depth chart. And if the o-line continues to play as it did today, Purdy won’t last long.
Heck of a gutty win. Got some help with Tua being off.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - gocard14 - 12-04-2022
(12-04-2022, 06:56 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-04-2022, 06:30 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Jimmy done for the year. What a bummer for him and the team.
Feel very bad for him. He was playing well. This not only is a bummer for this year, it’s going to cost him a lot of money.
I suspect Lynch is working the phones. Fitzpatrick, Newton. Or, Kaepernick? What a story that would be…. Dont think they can make a trade as deadline passed.
They have to pick up someone. Purdy and Eason is their part depth chart. And if the o-line continues to play as it did today, Purdy won’t last long.
Heck of a gutty win. Got some help with Tua being off.
Absolute bummer about Jimmy G. He was playing very well, and his absence takes this team from the top group of Super Bowl contenders and puts in the “very unlikely but not impossible” tier. Purdy played well given the circumstances and clearly falls into the “absolute gamer but lacks NFL tools” category; he also missed a few reads.
We did sign Josh Johnson, but that feels like a move to get another body in the QB room; not one that really raises our ceiling.
I’m not sure what else we can do though. We ride the D and hope Purdy and our arsenal of playmakers makes enough plays to keep us in the mix. The unsigned QB market looks awful. Newton is done, and after him it looks even worse. Glennon? AJ Mccaron? Carson Strong? It is truly slim pickings.
Maybe Andrew Luck will come out of retirement. I’d at least make the call. Fitzpatrick, Brees, or Rivers might be worth a call as well. But other then Luck, I’m not sure if any of these options are better then Purdy.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - French Rage - 12-04-2022
In case of emergency, break glass for Josh Johnson.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 12-05-2022
(12-04-2022, 11:14 PM)French Rage Wrote: In case of emergency, break glass for Josh Johnson.
Josh Johnson's 36 and this is his fourth stint with the 49ers, the others being 2012, 2014 and 2020. He's had time with 14 different teams in his 13-year history, a record. He's played in the UFL, XFL, NFL, and the AAF. He played for Harbaugh at U of San Diego. He was a 5th round pick of Tampa Bay in 2008 (despite his school, he had the best 40 and vertical of any QB), but has nine career starts (record, 1-8) for the Ravens, Washington and Tampa Bay. He spent 4 years in a row with TB. His career rating is 70.7 (ugh) but last year's NFL rating was 99.0 in 8 games, completing 57 of 85 passes for 638 yards, 5 TDs and 2 INTs. He went to Oakland Tech HS.
I thought Brock Purdy did very well, particularly since he didn't have great protection and since he's only had mop-up duty against the Chiefs. After the game, Fred Warner said (paraphrased) that he wasn't surprised that Purdy played so well since he'd been playing against the NFL's best defense in practice for the last 13 weeks. And that is a backup's job, to mimic the opponent's offense against the 1st team defense in practice.
Purdy's passer rating was 88.8. His interception was the equivalent of a punt, coming on a deep pass on 4th down. His rating otherwise would have been 100.1.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 12-05-2022
While it is true no team has made a playoff run with the circumstances the Niners now find themselves in with Brock Purdy at QB, most rookie QBs don't get put into such situations either.It is entirely possible that a team with a dominant defense and just a "game manager" QB can win in the playoffs and even a Super Bowl. The Niners are built for the playoffs, where physicality and defense rule the roost.
I personally don't think there is any play Garoppolo could make that Purdy can't, and Purdy can extend plays in a way Garoppolo can't. This isn't to say Purdy will be better than Garoppolo or gives the Niners a better chance to win. But it is a fact that Purdy was a 4 year starter in college in a Power 5 conference. He has played a lot of football, has an ability to make broken plays, and has seen a lot, so he isn't overwhelmed by the NFL. That in and of itself is a big deal.
One thing I have learned over the years is that though all QBs tend to struggle under pressure, there is a big difference between surviving under pressure against mostly man overage like Purdy did against the Dolphins, and being able to read zone defenses. It can be really difficult to diagnose if the coverage is zone or man, and sometimes it can be one on one side of the field and another on the other side. We'll have to see how Purdy does against zone defenses before we can know too much about his potential.
I hope Purdy's mindset is not to be overwhelmed by the situation he has been thrust into, and instead he takes what he has been given as a staggeringly awesome opportunity nobody in his position has ever had a chance to do before. Mr. Irrelevant has never before been, and likely will never be, more relevant again!
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 12-05-2022
(12-05-2022, 07:36 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: While it is true no team has made a playoff run with the circumstances the Niners now find themselves in with Brock Purdy at QB, most rookie QBs don't get put into such situations either.It is entirely possible that a team with a dominant defense and just a "game manager" QB can win in the playoffs and even a Super Bowl. The Niners are built for the playoffs, where physicality and defense rule the roost.
I personally don't think there is any play Garoppolo could make that Purdy can't, and Purdy can extend plays in a way Garoppolo can't. This isn't to say Purdy will be better than Garoppolo or gives the Niners a better chance to win. But it is a fact that Purdy was a 4 year starter in college in a Power 5 conference. He has played a lot of football, has an ability to make broken plays, and has seen a lot, so he isn't overwhelmed by the NFL. That in and of itself is a big deal.
One thing I have learned over the years is that though all QBs tend to struggle under pressure, there is a big difference between surviving under pressure against mostly man overage like Purdy did against the Dolphins, and being able to read zone defenses. It can be really difficult to diagnose if the coverage is zone or man, and sometimes it can be one on one side of the field and another on the other side. We'll have to see how Purdy does against zone defenses before we can know too much about his potential.
I hope Purdy's mindset is not to be overwhelmed by the situation he has been thrust into, and instead he takes what he has been given as a staggeringly awesome opportunity nobody in his position has ever had a chance to do before. Mr. Irrelevant has never before been, and likely will never be, more relevant again!
This article rates Purdy as 8th of 9 quarterbacks taken in the 2022 draft, however, the descriptive paragraph reads:
"Mr. Irrelevant won't be threatening Trey Lance anytime soon, entering with questions about his build and athletic profile. But he's drawn high reviews for his smarts, experience and timing-based success -- all key traits for a Kyle Shanahan offense."
Throw in McCaffrey, Samuel, Aiyuk, Jennings, Kittle, Juszczyk, and Mason...and you've got some real potential there.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 12-05-2022
(12-05-2022, 07:40 AM)Mick Wrote:(12-05-2022, 07:36 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: While it is true no team has made a playoff run with the circumstances the Niners now find themselves in with Brock Purdy at QB, most rookie QBs don't get put into such situations either.It is entirely possible that a team with a dominant defense and just a "game manager" QB can win in the playoffs and even a Super Bowl. The Niners are built for the playoffs, where physicality and defense rule the roost.
I personally don't think there is any play Garoppolo could make that Purdy can't, and Purdy can extend plays in a way Garoppolo can't. This isn't to say Purdy will be better than Garoppolo or gives the Niners a better chance to win. But it is a fact that Purdy was a 4 year starter in college in a Power 5 conference. He has played a lot of football, has an ability to make broken plays, and has seen a lot, so he isn't overwhelmed by the NFL. That in and of itself is a big deal.
One thing I have learned over the years is that though all QBs tend to struggle under pressure, there is a big difference between surviving under pressure against mostly man overage like Purdy did against the Dolphins, and being able to read zone defenses. It can be really difficult to diagnose if the coverage is zone or man, and sometimes it can be one on one side of the field and another on the other side. We'll have to see how Purdy does against zone defenses before we can know too much about his potential.
I hope Purdy's mindset is not to be overwhelmed by the situation he has been thrust into, and instead he takes what he has been given as a staggeringly awesome opportunity nobody in his position has ever had a chance to do before. Mr. Irrelevant has never before been, and likely will never be, more relevant again!
This article rates Purdy as 8th of 9 quarterbacks taken in the 2022 draft, however, the descriptive paragraph reads:
"Mr. Irrelevant won't be threatening Trey Lance anytime soon, entering with questions about his build and athletic profile. But he's drawn high reviews for his smarts, experience and timing-based success -- all key traits for a Kyle Shanahan offense."
Throw in McCaffrey, Samuel, Aiyuk, Jennings, Kittle, Juszczyk, and Mason...and you've got some real potential there.
No idea what Purdy can do. Can’t see how anyone can determine that there is not “any play he can’t make that Garrapolo can.” Start with progressions, finding secondary receivers, audiblizing, reading an NFL defense. All of which will be difficult for Purdy. You thought JG was a game manager? Well, Purdy is going to be the ultimate game manager. Defense. Run. DONT TURN IT OVER. That will be the mantra. If, as I believe, his arm is below average, defenses will start to cheat and jump routes. Avoiding INT’s is crucial. Niners are going to try to be Trent Dilfers Bucs in an offensive minded era.
I’ve seen too many times someone come off the bench and look good. Then the opposition gets some film. And reality sets in. One thing - as I said it did not look to me like he has a strong arm. Not a determining factor in Shanahans offense. But expect defenses to bring the safeties up and make him prove he can throw downfield.
Defenses have keyed on CMac since he got there. More so now. Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see them winning the division with Purdy. They have a somewhat tough schedule coming up. Made tougher by Commanders being surprisingly decent and the Rayduhs coming on.
If I’m Lynch I’m at least working out Fitzgerald and Newton if either are interested. Kaepernick has been out too long. Plus they don’t need the distraction the media circus would bring.
Finally, the protection has to improve. It was horrible Sunday. Otherwise we will be talking about Eason…..
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 12-05-2022
If the Niners were unable to move the ball with Purdy, and he turned the ball over too much, they would have lost and the idea they can't make the playoffs with him would have a lot of merit.
Given Purdy was playing in the first quarter of a game with the Niners behind, and they won the game 33-17, I'd argue Purdy already proved the Niners can get to the playoffs with him as QB.
The Niners aren't a team that needs a QB to carry them. They just need someone who can move the chains, get first downs, and complete passes to open receivers. This is what Garoppolo was doing, and it isn't a significantly high bar for a QB playing in the NFL. This is what Purdy did when thrust into playing against the Dolphins. Can he continue doing this? I don't know. But he proved he could do it one time, so he should get some benefit of the doubt as a result.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 12-05-2022
(12-05-2022, 08:55 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If the Niners were unable to move the ball with Purdy, and he turned the ball over too much, they would have lost and the idea they can't make the playoffs with him would have a lot of merit.
Given Purdy was playing in the first quarter of a game with the Niners behind, and they won the game 33-17, I'd argue Purdy already proved the Niners can get to the playoffs with him as QB.
The Niners aren't a team that needs a QB to carry them. They just need someone who can move the chains, get first downs, and complete passes to open receivers. This is what Garoppolo was doing, and it isn't a significantly high bar for a QB playing in the NFL. This is what Purdy did when thrust into playing against the Dolphins. Can he continue doing this? I don't know. But he proved he could do it one time, so he should get some benefit of the doubt as a result.
What you ignore is that teams game plan for the starting QB. Dolphins knew nothing about Purdy. More he plays, more of a “book” defenses will have.
I hope Purdy continues to perform well. But who knows. And, btw, JG was doing more than just managing. He was making plays. And his no 1 skill - accuracy on short passes between the numbers, is key to the YAC that is so important to Niners offense. Which is why he was playing the best football of his career.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 12-05-2022
Sorry to pick on Lex but he did use the term "film."
Bill Walsh talked the NFL out of using B&W film for coaching purposes in the 80's. The teams went to Betacam SP, an NTSC format and non-linear editing which among other things made game content available on flights home. With the change the term "film" should have been buried with the teams' 16mm gear.
Now the league shoots digital media almost exclusively with German Arriflex Amira cameras. Videotape has been buried along with the teams Sony and Panasonic HD equipment.
It kills me when a coach says. "We'll look at the film and make a decision."
It's Digital Media baby. Not film, not tape but little cards as thin as a cracker.