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RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-19-2024
(03-19-2024, 09:29 PM)Mick Wrote: Watched the Giants vs. Royals tonight. A few conclusions:
1. Conforto will have a good hitting line tonight...he is 2 for 3 at this writing, both hits being two of the weakest hits I've ever seen. He didn't have any errors, but he misplayed TWO balls in left field that would have embarrassed a little leaguer. Really wish Matos was in LF. He had a home run tonight, three RBIs.
2. Murphy might be the worst defensive catcher I've ever seen. His throws to second looked like he's suffering from vertigo. His throws weren't within a zip code of second base. He had a double and two strikeouts.
3. Chapman didn't have any hits, but he made two plays in the first four innings that JD Davis couldn't make in his dreams, one a Brooks Robinson level play.
4. Estrada had three hits, four RBIs and a grand slam. He looks ready.
5. Lots of buzz about Blake Snell. No buzz at all about Renel Brooks-Moon's departure.
Curious...how do you feel about Renel Brooks-Moon departing the Giants? Couldn't come to an agreement with the team, they negotiated, she left.
And separately...could you make the case that the Giants improved themselves this year more than the Dodgers did? After all, Ohtani isn't pitching this year, and the Giants added CF Lee, CYY#1 Snell, CYY#2 Ray, 3B Chapman, new SP Hicks, DH Soler, SS Ahmed, C Murphy...
I still think LA improved more than S.F. Glasnow is a big addition to the staff. Ohtani is the best player in the game and Yamamoto is the best pitching prospect in the big leagues. The Giants have quantity, the Dodgers have premier quality. Also, LA gets Buehler (missed the 2023 season), May (pitched 48 innings last year) and Gonsolin (103 innings in ‘23) back this year.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-20-2024
(03-19-2024, 10:48 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-19-2024, 09:29 PM)Mick Wrote: Watched the Giants vs. Royals tonight. A few conclusions:
1. Conforto will have a good hitting line tonight...he is 2 for 3 at this writing, both hits being two of the weakest hits I've ever seen. He didn't have any errors, but he misplayed TWO balls in left field that would have embarrassed a little leaguer. Really wish Matos was in LF. He had a home run tonight, three RBIs.
2. Murphy might be the worst defensive catcher I've ever seen. His throws to second looked like he's suffering from vertigo. His throws weren't within a zip code of second base. He had a double and two strikeouts.
3. Chapman didn't have any hits, but he made two plays in the first four innings that JD Davis couldn't make in his dreams, one a Brooks Robinson level play.
4. Estrada had three hits, four RBIs and a grand slam. He looks ready.
5. Lots of buzz about Blake Snell. No buzz at all about Renel Brooks-Moon's departure.
Curious...how do you feel about Renel Brooks-Moon departing the Giants? Couldn't come to an agreement with the team, they negotiated, she left.
And separately...could you make the case that the Giants improved themselves this year more than the Dodgers did? After all, Ohtani isn't pitching this year, and the Giants added CF Lee, CYY#1 Snell, CYY#2 Ray, 3B Chapman, new SP Hicks, DH Soler, SS Ahmed, C Murphy...
I still think LA improved more than S.F. Glasnow is a big addition to the staff. Ohtani is the best player in the game and Yamamoto is the best pitching prospect in the big leagues. The Giants have quantity, the Dodgers have premier quality. Also, LA gets Buehler (missed the 2023 season), May (pitched 48 innings last year) and Gonsolin (103 innings in ‘23) back this year.
Don't forget Teoscar Hernandez. Dude can rake. And both he and Ohtani are killing it this spring.
Glasnow got the regular season start in their game in Korea yesterday, gave up four walks in five innings with two hits and two earned runs.
Giants starting Landon Roupp against the Brewers tonight. The coaches and catchers are note that he has the best stuff. Might be an interesting game.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-20-2024
(03-20-2024, 07:41 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-19-2024, 10:48 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-19-2024, 09:29 PM)Mick Wrote: Watched the Giants vs. Royals tonight. A few conclusions:
1. Conforto will have a good hitting line tonight...he is 2 for 3 at this writing, both hits being two of the weakest hits I've ever seen. He didn't have any errors, but he misplayed TWO balls in left field that would have embarrassed a little leaguer. Really wish Matos was in LF. He had a home run tonight, three RBIs.
2. Murphy might be the worst defensive catcher I've ever seen. His throws to second looked like he's suffering from vertigo. His throws weren't within a zip code of second base. He had a double and two strikeouts.
3. Chapman didn't have any hits, but he made two plays in the first four innings that JD Davis couldn't make in his dreams, one a Brooks Robinson level play.
4. Estrada had three hits, four RBIs and a grand slam. He looks ready.
5. Lots of buzz about Blake Snell. No buzz at all about Renel Brooks-Moon's departure.
Curious...how do you feel about Renel Brooks-Moon departing the Giants? Couldn't come to an agreement with the team, they negotiated, she left.
And separately...could you make the case that the Giants improved themselves this year more than the Dodgers did? After all, Ohtani isn't pitching this year, and the Giants added CF Lee, CYY#1 Snell, CYY#2 Ray, 3B Chapman, new SP Hicks, DH Soler, SS Ahmed, C Murphy...
I still think LA improved more than S.F. Glasnow is a big addition to the staff. Ohtani is the best player in the game and Yamamoto is the best pitching prospect in the big leagues. The Giants have quantity, the Dodgers have premier quality. Also, LA gets Buehler (missed the 2023 season), May (pitched 48 innings last year) and Gonsolin (103 innings in ‘23) back this year.
Don't forget Teoscar Hernandez. Dude can rake. And both he and Ohtani are killing it this spring.
Glasnow got the regular season start in their game in Korea yesterday, gave up four walks in five innings with two hits and two earned runs.
Giants starting Landon Roupp against the Brewers tonight. The coaches and catchers are note that he has the best stuff. Might be an interesting game.
Didn’t know much about Murphy prior to the signing. He’s a good hitter vs lefties. Which helps, because Baileys weak hitting side is right handed. Supposedly he is a dogged worker, good clubhouse presence and handles the staff well. That’s the good news. Bad news is he was 1-28 throwing out runners last year. At one time -2019 - he was at 39%. I don’t know if he’s had arm issues since then. But it’s a reasonable guess.
Giants obviously knew this when they signed him. Going to give up something with a backup catcher. Otherwise he’d be a starter somewhere. If he’s solid behind the dish (unlike Sabol) and can hit some (unlike Bart), he will be an upgrade.
Bart needs to move on. For his own benefit. The Giants gave up on him a while ago. We will see if that was right or not.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-20-2024
(03-20-2024, 07:55 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-20-2024, 07:41 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-19-2024, 10:48 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-19-2024, 09:29 PM)Mick Wrote: Watched the Giants vs. Royals tonight. A few conclusions:
1. Conforto will have a good hitting line tonight...he is 2 for 3 at this writing, both hits being two of the weakest hits I've ever seen. He didn't have any errors, but he misplayed TWO balls in left field that would have embarrassed a little leaguer. Really wish Matos was in LF. He had a home run tonight, three RBIs.
2. Murphy might be the worst defensive catcher I've ever seen. His throws to second looked like he's suffering from vertigo. His throws weren't within a zip code of second base. He had a double and two strikeouts.
3. Chapman didn't have any hits, but he made two plays in the first four innings that JD Davis couldn't make in his dreams, one a Brooks Robinson level play.
4. Estrada had three hits, four RBIs and a grand slam. He looks ready.
5. Lots of buzz about Blake Snell. No buzz at all about Renel Brooks-Moon's departure.
Curious...how do you feel about Renel Brooks-Moon departing the Giants? Couldn't come to an agreement with the team, they negotiated, she left.
And separately...could you make the case that the Giants improved themselves this year more than the Dodgers did? After all, Ohtani isn't pitching this year, and the Giants added CF Lee, CYY#1 Snell, CYY#2 Ray, 3B Chapman, new SP Hicks, DH Soler, SS Ahmed, C Murphy...
I still think LA improved more than S.F. Glasnow is a big addition to the staff. Ohtani is the best player in the game and Yamamoto is the best pitching prospect in the big leagues. The Giants have quantity, the Dodgers have premier quality. Also, LA gets Buehler (missed the 2023 season), May (pitched 48 innings last year) and Gonsolin (103 innings in ‘23) back this year.
Don't forget Teoscar Hernandez. Dude can rake. And both he and Ohtani are killing it this spring.
Glasnow got the regular season start in their game in Korea yesterday, gave up four walks in five innings with two hits and two earned runs.
Giants starting Landon Roupp against the Brewers tonight. The coaches and catchers are note that he has the best stuff. Might be an interesting game.
Didn’t know much about Murphy prior to the signing. He’s a good hitter vs lefties. Which helps, because Baileys weak hitting side is right handed. Supposedly he is a dogged worker, good clubhouse presence and handles the staff well. That’s the good news. Bad news is he was 1-28 throwing out runners last year. At one time -2019 - he was at 39%. I don’t know if he’s had arm issues since then. But it’s a reasonable guess.
Giants obviously knew this when they signed him. Going to give up something with a backup catcher. Otherwise he’d be a starter somewhere. If he’s solid behind the dish (unlike Sabol) and can hit some (unlike Bart), he will be an upgrade.
Bart needs to move on. For his own benefit. The Giants gave up on him a while ago. We will see if that was right or not.
Basically, Murphy is a right-handed Blake Sabol.
Next Wednesday, season win total predictions will be due.
So far, Lex with 87.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 03-20-2024
89. Going up with each bit of news
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-20-2024
I wonder if the Giants would be at all inclined to retain Bart. Murphy can't play defense at all, and Bart is actually pretty good defensively speaking.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-20-2024
(03-20-2024, 05:58 PM)Mick Wrote: I wonder if the Giants would be at all inclined to retain Bart. Murphy can't play defense at all, and Bart is actually pretty good defensively speaking.
No.
They went out and got Murphy cause they don’t believe Bart is a decent backup.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-20-2024
(03-20-2024, 08:12 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-20-2024, 05:58 PM)Mick Wrote: I wonder if the Giants would be at all inclined to retain Bart. Murphy can't play defense at all, and Bart is actually pretty good defensively speaking.
No.
They went out and got Murphy cause they don’t believe Bart is a decent backup.
Well, last year Murphy threw out one runner in 28 stolen base attempts, and if you've seen him throw this spring, you'd think there is something very physically wrong with his arm. Doesn't even include the fact that Bart is hitting .385 and Murphy is hitting .233. or that Bart's OBP is .500 and Murphy's is .296.
Giants have 18 errors in 23 preseason games. Hopefully they will settle down in the regular season.
Incidentally, Giants are 11-10-2 after starting the season 0-4-2. Of the 15 teams in the Cactus League, the Giants are in 5th place.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-20-2024
Bart will be cut loose at the end of spring training unless either Bailey or Murphy are injured. It is the best move for both him and the team.
As for the D, the only weak link now is Conforto. Every other starter rates between average (3) and excellent (5).
Conforto - 2
Lee - 4
Yaz/Slater - 3
Chapman - 5
Ahmed - 4
Estrada - 4
Wade/Flores - 3
Bailey - 4
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-21-2024
(03-20-2024, 08:43 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-20-2024, 08:12 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-20-2024, 05:58 PM)Mick Wrote: I wonder if the Giants would be at all inclined to retain Bart. Murphy can't play defense at all, and Bart is actually pretty good defensively speaking.
No.
They went out and got Murphy cause they don’t believe Bart is a decent backup.
Well, last year Murphy threw out one runner in 28 stolen base attempts, and if you've seen him throw this spring, you'd think there is something very physically wrong with his arm. Doesn't even include the fact that Bart is hitting .385 and Murphy is hitting .233. or that Bart's OBP is .500 and Murphy's is .296.
Giants have 18 errors in 23 preseason games. Hopefully they will settle down in the regular season.
Incidentally, Giants are 11-10-2 after starting the season 0-4-2. Of the 15 teams in the Cactus League, the Giants are in 5th place.
Mick,
The Giants knew Murphy’s percentage of throwing runners out before they went and signed him.
Spring training numbers are meaningless in this instance (in fact in most instances). Unless Bailey or Murphy get hurt, Bart is I think gone. There’s no question about that. The only way he stays is if the Giants designate him for assignment no team picks him up. But I doubt that will happen.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-21-2024
Speaking of gone...Casey Schmitt, David Villar, Wade Meckler, Brett Wisely, Helliot Ramos optioned to Sacramento River Cats...
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-22-2024
(03-21-2024, 10:21 PM)Mick Wrote: Speaking of gone...Casey Schmitt, David Villar, Wade Meckler, Brett Wisely, Helliot Ramos optioned to Sacramento River Cats...
No surprises. Villar could be DFAd. Giants will need at clear at least 3 spots on the 40. Bart will be one. Ethan Small may go on 60. Then it gets tough.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-22-2024
Preseason projections: Jim Bowden of the Athletic pegs the Giants as the 19th best out of the 30 MLB teams, says there's an average MLB player at every position except shortstop.
The latest PECOTA analysis projects the Giants to win 85 games, only behind the Dodgers and Braves in the NL.
FanGraphs pegs the Giants at 83 wins, tied with the D'Backs and Cardinals and just behind the Phillies at 85. FanGraphs had the Giants at 80.7 prior to the Chapman signing which upgraded the Giants to 81.5 and adding Snell pushed their projection to 83.4. FanGraphs has nine teams projected to win between 80 and 85 games. One will win the NL Central, the others will fight for the three wild cards.
Giants spent almost $200 million on free agents last year and more than $320 million this off-season. 79 wins last season, removal of many deadwood players, addition of Soler, Ray, Hicks, Chapman, Snell, Lee, Murphy, Ahmed and continued maturation of Bailey, Winn, Harrison, Beck and other youngsters and (hopefully) physical improvement of Conforto, Yaz, Hjelle, etc.
All that for an additional 4 to 6 projected wins.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-22-2024
(03-22-2024, 06:46 AM)Mick Wrote: Preseason projections: Jim Bowden of the Athletic pegs the Giants as the 19th best out of the 30 MLB teams, says there's an average MLB player at every position except shortstop.
The latest PECOTA analysis projects the Giants to win 85 games, only behind the Dodgers and Braves in the NL.
FanGraphs pegs the Giants at 83 wins, tied with the D'Backs and Cardinals and just behind the Phillies at 85. FanGraphs had the Giants at 80.7 prior to the Chapman signing which upgraded the Giants to 81.5 and adding Snell pushed their projection to 83.4. FanGraphs has nine teams projected to win between 80 and 85 games. One will win the NL Central, the others will fight for the three wild cards.
Giants spent almost $200 million on free agents last year and more than $320 million this off-season. 79 wins last season, removal of many deadwood players, addition of Soler, Ray, Hicks, Chapman, Snell, Lee, Murphy, Ahmed and continued maturation of Bailey, Winn, Harrison, Beck and other youngsters and (hopefully) physical improvement of Conforto, Yaz, Hjelle, etc.
All that for an additional 4 to 6 projected wins.
Bowden was only ranking the lineup. Not overall. Giants pitching should be in or near the top 5. Defense is so much better.
Not a big “projections” fan. But 4 to 6 wins is a big deal when you are in a pack of about 6 or 7 teams vying for 3 WC spots.
The other aspect is they have, I think, increased the excitement level. This should be a much more fun team to watch.
So, as Herb Caen once wrote; “The Giants look good on paper this year. Unfortunately, they play on grass.”
I’m pretty excited. More so than in several years.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-22-2024
(03-22-2024, 07:01 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-22-2024, 06:46 AM)Mick Wrote: Preseason projections: Jim Bowden of the Athletic pegs the Giants as the 19th best out of the 30 MLB teams, says there's an average MLB player at every position except shortstop.
The latest PECOTA analysis projects the Giants to win 85 games, only behind the Dodgers and Braves in the NL.
FanGraphs pegs the Giants at 83 wins, tied with the D'Backs and Cardinals and just behind the Phillies at 85. FanGraphs had the Giants at 80.7 prior to the Chapman signing which upgraded the Giants to 81.5 and adding Snell pushed their projection to 83.4. FanGraphs has nine teams projected to win between 80 and 85 games. One will win the NL Central, the others will fight for the three wild cards.
Giants spent almost $200 million on free agents last year and more than $320 million this off-season. 79 wins last season, removal of many deadwood players, addition of Soler, Ray, Hicks, Chapman, Snell, Lee, Murphy, Ahmed and continued maturation of Bailey, Winn, Harrison, Beck and other youngsters and (hopefully) physical improvement of Conforto, Yaz, Hjelle, etc.
All that for an additional 4 to 6 projected wins.
Bowden was only ranking the lineup. Not overall. Giants pitching should be in or near the top 5. Defense is so much better.
Not a big “projections” fan. But 4 to 6 wins is a big deal when you are in a pack of about 6 or 7 teams vying for 3 WC spots.
The other aspect is they have, I think, increased the excitement level. This should be a much more fun team to watch.
So, as Herb Caen once wrote; “The Giants look good on paper this year. Unfortunately, they play on grass.”
I’m pretty excited. More so than in several years.
Same here. They have all the elements in place. I was excited when they signed Lee, really hoped they would get Soler, who mashes the ball at Oracle...I would have been fine with JD Davis, but happier with Chapman. They needed Snell, a necessary and happy surprise. Hicks is an experiment that probably won't work, but worst case he goes back to the bullpen. I don't think Ray can come back this year at full strength, but next year he will. Or maybe he does. The bullpen is already really strong. I think Harrison is poised to break out. It would be nice if Yaz can return to his 2019-2020 form, but I just don't think it's in the cards. He'll be 34 this year. He'll be okay at best. I suspect Estrada/Flores/Wade will be strong. I'm impressed with the pace of Cobb's rehab. Bailey's come back stronger, though he hasn't hit this spring.
As you point out, the real story is the fielding. Giants were the worst in the majors last year, and they have a bunch of ground ball pitchers. In one game, I saw Chapman make two plays in the first four innings that JD Davis couldn't dream of making, and Ahmed made a play that Crawford hasn't been able to make in three years.
I worry, a little bit, about Stanford's players in the Giants system. Beck is on the 60 day DL but has been pitching well. Slater is recovering from elbow surgery, and he's had a tough spring. Started 0 for 7, has gone 2 for 5, three walks. He has 9 strikeouts in 15 plate appearances, but at least he stole a base. Miller got sent down, but I think he'll be back. He was doing well, 3.00 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, has done well in the minors.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-22-2024
Some thoughts…
1. What Bowden knows about baseball can be placed in a thimble with room left to fit an elephant. I stopped reading his stuff years ago. For whatever reason, he is a Negative Nancy when it comes to writing about SF.
2. 4-6 more wins is enough to put SF in play for a WC spot. As we have seen repeatedly, WC teams have performed very well in baseball. And this year, the Giants are set up to be at their best late in the season after Ray returns. In a best of three series, he could be the difference-maker. In a longer series, Webb, Snell, Ray, Cobb may be as good a rotation as any team in the game. Add to that, the improvements on the defensive side and you have a recipe for postseason success.
3. The concerns are twofold: a) Injuries - are the Giants deep enough to overcome an injury to a key player? What happens if Bailey goes down? b) Power - can the Giants produce enough runs on a consistent basis? Can Soler and Conforto combine for 55+ HRs?
4. Whither Luciano and Matos? While they will probably start the year in Sacramento, I think the Giants expect them to move up at some point. Will this be the year they finally make the jump and produce at the level scouts have been predicting? If so, they could be the X factor offensively later in the season.
I am not as positive as some regarding the team this year but I am certainly intrigued by the possibilities. Heck, if nothing else, at least SF has manager who will bring some structure to the clubhouse and believes in a fixed line-up. The days of bus station baseball with players constantly shuffling in and out are over.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-22-2024
With respect to the power issue, the Giants had 174 HRs last year, under the 196 MLB team average.
I think we can safely assume that Bailey, Lee and Ahmed will produce around 20. Chapman, Wade, Conforto, Yaz, Estrada, Sabol and Soler should average 20 between them. That's 160 total, add another 35 from various bench sources and the Giants get to league average. I don't see much better than that.
As for the additional wins, I would hope that subtractions of underperformers like Crawford, Haniger, DeSclafani, Stripling, Junis, Brebbia, Manaea, Alexander and others will be addition through subtraction; and the addition of the free agents and another year of maturation for the young ones should result in 10-15 additional wins. If the management, as you and Lex say, is so much more positive and additive than Kapler's, it seems to me that this team should have 15-20 additional wins. Personally, I question whether Melvin can add that much, I think his floor can be pretty low. Very concerned about his stewardship of an outstanding roster last year that barely squeaked over the .500 mark.
Still, it's an exciting lineup and I'll be buying tickets this year. I don't attend games to watch the manager or PA announcer, I want to see successful players, and I think Farhan and management have done what they needed to do.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-22-2024
Based on Melvin’s comments today, it is possible that Slater may start the season on the IL with Matos taking his place on the roster. If so, Matos would platoon with Yaz in RF.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-23-2024
(03-22-2024, 06:19 PM)Giants Wrote: Based on Melvin’s comments today, it is possible that Slater may start the season on the IL with Matos taking his place on the roster. If so, Matos would platoon with Yaz in RF.
And if Matos rakes, Slater’s S.F. days could be over. The injuries just pile up. Too bad. Hes a good player. Has to be frustrating for him.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-23-2024
(03-23-2024, 10:20 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-22-2024, 06:19 PM)Giants Wrote: Based on Melvin’s comments today, it is possible that Slater may start the season on the IL with Matos taking his place on the roster. If so, Matos would platoon with Yaz in RF.
And if Matos rakes, Slater’s S.F. days could be over. The injuries just pile up. Too bad. Hes a good player. Has to be frustrating for him.
If Slater had enough career stolen base attempts (minimum is 80, he has 51), he would rank second all-time for stolen base percentage at 88.2%. Leader is Byron Buxton at 89.6%
(03-21-2024, 07:48 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-20-2024, 08:43 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-20-2024, 08:12 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-20-2024, 05:58 PM)Mick Wrote: I wonder if the Giants would be at all inclined to retain Bart. Murphy can't play defense at all, and Bart is actually pretty good defensively speaking.
No.
They went out and got Murphy cause they don’t believe Bart is a decent backup.
Well, last year Murphy threw out one runner in 28 stolen base attempts, and if you've seen him throw this spring, you'd think there is something very physically wrong with his arm. Doesn't even include the fact that Bart is hitting .385 and Murphy is hitting .233. or that Bart's OBP is .500 and Murphy's is .296.
Giants have 18 errors in 23 preseason games. Hopefully they will settle down in the regular season.
Incidentally, Giants are 11-10-2 after starting the season 0-4-2. Of the 15 teams in the Cactus League, the Giants are in 5th place.
Mick,
The Giants knew Murphy’s percentage of throwing runners out before they went and signed him.
Spring training numbers are meaningless in this instance (in fact in most instances). Unless Bailey or Murphy get hurt, Bart is I think gone. There’s no question about that. The only way he stays is if the Giants designate him for assignment no team picks him up. But I doubt that will happen.
Murphy went 3 for 3 today with a home run, his line is now .316/.400/.500/.900. I say who cares about a few stolen bases?