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RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Giants - 07-04-2021
(07-04-2021, 11:06 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-04-2021, 04:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Teejers if Slater hadn't gone to Stanford would you feel the same way?
I obviously root for him more because he went to Stanford (Belt did not, though, and I defend him pretty vigorously in these parts, too).
The thing about Slater is (a) he has the athleticism/tools to be an excellent defensive player - he is now merely good on D, and (b) he has an electric bat - his bat speed generates more power than you'd expect just looking at the guy (including RC field gap power). I'm partial to those attributes . . . which is also why the Estrada (I'm just going to call him "Erik") kid looks very intriguing.
Slater is a right handed version of Nate Schierholtz. Both are/were certainly good enough to play in the big leagues but neither is/was good enough to be a regular in the starting lineup. There is no shame in being a platoon guy. Heck, when he is on, Slater is rock solid v. left handers (against lefties, his OPS is .185 better than v. right-handers).
Career:
Slater 831 PA, 22 HR, .246 BA and .717 OPS
Schierholtz 1316 PA, 23 HR, .270 BA and .729 OPS (as a Giant)
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-05-2021
Very nice catch by Wade. LOL.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 07-05-2021
Still another win and 3 RBIs by that other first baseman
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - lex24 - 07-05-2021
(07-04-2021, 11:40 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-04-2021, 11:06 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-04-2021, 04:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Teejers if Slater hadn't gone to Stanford would you feel the same way?
I obviously root for him more because he went to Stanford (Belt did not, though, and I defend him pretty vigorously in these parts, too).
The thing about Slater is (a) he has the athleticism/tools to be an excellent defensive player - he is now merely good on D, and (b) he has an electric bat - his bat speed generates more power than you'd expect just looking at the guy (including RC field gap power). I'm partial to those attributes . . . which is also why the Estrada (I'm just going to call him "Erik") kid looks very intriguing.
Slater is a right handed version of Nate Schierholtz. Both are/were certainly good enough to play in the big leagues but neither is/was good enough to be a regular in the starting lineup. There is no shame in being a platoon guy. Heck, when he is on, Slater is rock solid v. left handers (against lefties, his OPS is .185 better than v. right-handers).
Career:
Slater 831 PA, 22 HR, .246 BA and .717 OPS
Schierholtz 1316 PA, 23 HR, .270 BA and .729 OPS (as a Giant)
They share another trait - injuries. Nate (a local guy I rooted for) would have streaks where he looked terrific and others were he looked like a AAAA Player. Like Slater he could run a bit. But sooner or later he’d get hurt. Slater has yet to prove he can be effective, even just in a full platoon, over a season. Last year was by far his best. But he only played 31 games.
I root for him. Not, actually, because of the Stanford connection. But because he brings some speed to a team that is slower than mud overall. Stole a run Sunday by advancing from first on a fly ball to deep center. He also leads the team in stolen bases. Not that anyone notices that oh so yesterday stat anymore. Except the Pads. They actually have a running game. What a concept.
Slater had been 4-41. With 1 walk. I think he would have been optioned had Tauchman not got hurt. Simply to give Slater 40 ABs in 10 games so he could find his stroke.
I read before his big HR Sat, Posey spoke to him. Said when he gets jumpy he concentrates on hitting the ball towards the first base dugout. Which I’m sure just helps him from jumping at the pitch by staying back longer and thinking opposite field. Slater said it helped. He was thinking opposite field. Waited nicely and did his work on a hanging curve.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 07-05-2021
(07-05-2021, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote: Very nice catch by Wade. LOL.
Yeah, in LF. I kinda like Wade . . . just not as much as Belt at 1B. But you and Bob keep crapping on Belt all you want . . . I just wish Bob showed 1/4 of the criticism he has for Belt to Stanford's paid personnel.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 07-05-2021
Ah T.
Harris
Tevens
Dawkins
Hanson
More on Haase than anyone except Belt
Way back before the net Payton Jordon on the cut your hair or off the team
Hey first WBB game we can arm wrestle :)
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-05-2021
Bobbbbbbb roots for Stanford over Cal Poly. Traitor.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 07-05-2021
Lol…
[tweet]https://twitter.com/kennlandry/status/1412217441959112707?s=21[/tweet]
BC
lex24 - lex24 - 07-05-2021
(07-05-2021, 07:28 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Lol…
[tweet]https://twitter.com/kennlandry/status/1412217441959112707?s=21[/tweet]
BC
Absurd.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Giants - 07-05-2021
(07-05-2021, 07:28 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Lol…
[tweet]https://twitter.com/kennlandry/status/1412217441959112707?s=21[/tweet]
BC
0-1 on batted balls in play (grounded out to SS).
If I could make three changes to baseball, I would…
1. Eliminate the ghost runner in extra innings
2. Eliminate seven inning games on doubleheader days
3. Eliminate shifting by compelling two infielders to play on each side of 2B and permit them to play no deeper than the edge of the dirt.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Mick - 07-05-2021
(07-05-2021, 11:05 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-04-2021, 11:40 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-04-2021, 11:06 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-04-2021, 04:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Teejers if Slater hadn't gone to Stanford would you feel the same way?
I obviously root for him more because he went to Stanford (Belt did not, though, and I defend him pretty vigorously in these parts, too).
The thing about Slater is (a) he has the athleticism/tools to be an excellent defensive player - he is now merely good on D, and (b) he has an electric bat - his bat speed generates more power than you'd expect just looking at the guy (including RC field gap power). I'm partial to those attributes . . . which is also why the Estrada (I'm just going to call him "Erik") kid looks very intriguing.
Slater is a right handed version of Nate Schierholtz. Both are/were certainly good enough to play in the big leagues but neither is/was good enough to be a regular in the starting lineup. There is no shame in being a platoon guy. Heck, when he is on, Slater is rock solid v. left handers (against lefties, his OPS is .185 better than v. right-handers).
Career:
Slater 831 PA, 22 HR, .246 BA and .717 OPS
Schierholtz 1316 PA, 23 HR, .270 BA and .729 OPS (as a Giant)
They share another trait - injuries. Nate (a local guy I rooted for) would have streaks where he looked terrific and others were he looked like a AAAA Player. Like Slater he could run a bit. But sooner or later he’d get hurt. Slater has yet to prove he can be effective, even just in a full platoon, over a season. Last year was by far his best. But he only played 31 games.
I root for him. Not, actually, because of the Stanford connection. But because he brings some speed to a team that is slower than mud overall. Stole a run Sunday by advancing from first on a fly ball to deep center. He also leads the team in stolen bases. Not that anyone notices that oh so yesterday stat anymore. Except the Pads. They actually have a running game. What a concept.
Slater had been 4-41. With 1 walk. I think he would have been optioned had Tauchman not got hurt. Simply to give Slater 40 ABs in 10 games so he could find his stroke.
I read before his big HR Sat, Posey spoke to him. Said when he gets jumpy he concentrates on hitting the ball towards the first base dugout. Which I’m sure just helps him from jumping at the pitch by staying back longer and thinking opposite field. Slater said it helped. He was thinking opposite field. Waited nicely and did his work on a hanging curve.
I like Slater. He's fast (23/26, steals/attempts lifetime). He does really well against left handed pitching. Does better when he takes the first pitch. He does better as a PH than in the field, and hits better when he's a late inning replacement. Bats best when he's in the 7th batting position. Does much better on the road than at home, until this year when he's performed better at home. Had a breakout year last year, then fell back considerably this year. He's been a slightly better than average fielder (range over his career).
lex24 - lex24 - 07-06-2021
(07-05-2021, 09:37 PM)Mick Wrote:(07-05-2021, 11:05 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-04-2021, 11:40 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-04-2021, 11:06 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-04-2021, 04:22 PM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Teejers if Slater hadn't gone to Stanford would you feel the same way?
I obviously root for him more because he went to Stanford (Belt did not, though, and I defend him pretty vigorously in these parts, too).
The thing about Slater is (a) he has the athleticism/tools to be an excellent defensive player - he is now merely good on D, and (b) he has an electric bat - his bat speed generates more power than you'd expect just looking at the guy (including RC field gap power). I'm partial to those attributes . . . which is also why the Estrada (I'm just going to call him "Erik") kid looks very intriguing.
Slater is a right handed version of Nate Schierholtz. Both are/were certainly good enough to play in the big leagues but neither is/was good enough to be a regular in the starting lineup. There is no shame in being a platoon guy. Heck, when he is on, Slater is rock solid v. left handers (against lefties, his OPS is .185 better than v. right-handers).
Career:
Slater 831 PA, 22 HR, .246 BA and .717 OPS
Schierholtz 1316 PA, 23 HR, .270 BA and .729 OPS (as a Giant)
They share another trait - injuries. Nate (a local guy I rooted for) would have streaks where he looked terrific and others were he looked like a AAAA Player. Like Slater he could run a bit. But sooner or later he’d get hurt. Slater has yet to prove he can be effective, even just in a full platoon, over a season. Last year was by far his best. But he only played 31 games.
I root for him. Not, actually, because of the Stanford connection. But because he brings some speed to a team that is slower than mud overall. Stole a run Sunday by advancing from first on a fly ball to deep center. He also leads the team in stolen bases. Not that anyone notices that oh so yesterday stat anymore. Except the Pads. They actually have a running game. What a concept.
Slater had been 4-41. With 1 walk. I think he would have been optioned had Tauchman not got hurt. Simply to give Slater 40 ABs in 10 games so he could find his stroke.
I read before his big HR Sat, Posey spoke to him. Said when he gets jumpy he concentrates on hitting the ball towards the first base dugout. Which I’m sure just helps him from jumping at the pitch by staying back longer and thinking opposite field. Slater said it helped. He was thinking opposite field. Waited nicely and did his work on a hanging curve.
I like Slater. He's fast (23/26, steals/attempts lifetime). He does really well against left handed pitching. Does better when he takes the first pitch. He does better as a PH than in the field, and hits better when he's a late inning replacement. Bats best when he's in the 7th batting position. Does much better on the road than at home, until this year when he's performed better at home. Had a breakout year last year, then fell back considerably this year. He's been a slightly better than average fielder (range over his career).
I also like Slater. But I think you overstate a bit. He does fine against lefties. Really well is a stretch. EDIT - his numbers are good against lefties. Better than fine. Definitely good. But last year he played 31 games. So he had a good month essentially. That’s not a breakout year. It’s a breakout month. I have yet to see him show any consistency. Or the ability to play through a season. Good to see him snap out of his funk.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 07-06-2021
Too many swings and misses with his uppercut swing. Correct that and he’s a winner. Of course the HRs will only be 420 feet :)
lex24 - lex24 - 07-06-2021
(07-05-2021, 09:13 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-05-2021, 07:28 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Lol…
[tweet]https://twitter.com/kennlandry/status/1412217441959112707?s=21[/tweet]
BC
0-1 on batted balls in play (grounded out to SS).
If I could make three changes to baseball, I would…
1. Eliminate the ghost runner in extra innings
2. Eliminate seven inning games on doubleheader days
3. Eliminate shifting by compelling two infielders to play on each side of 2B and permit them to play no deeper than the edge of the dirt.
1. I’ve come to like the ghost runner. The games are already 3:15 plus. A 16 inning 5 hour game helps no one.
2. How bout College DH. First 9. Second 7.
3. Agree completely.
I’d add four more: no cheat sheets. (I can’t believe I’m saying this) Universal DH. No more than 12 pitchers on a staff. Back to 15 day DL.
RE: lex24 - DC 86 - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 07:49 AM)lex24 Wrote: But last year he played 31 games. So he had a good month essentially. That’s not a breakout year. It’s a breakout month. I have yet to see him show any consistency.
This. He had all of 85 at bats last year. He actually has been consistent (albeit in limited playing time) over the course of his career: excluding last season his OPS+ in his other four seasons have been 95, 81, 99, 89. Slightly below average hitter but overall above replacement due to his defense. Slightly underrated because his ability to play multiple positions adds to his value as a bench player. He's delivered far more than the typical 8th round draft pick, which is a credit to him and to SF. But he's 28 years old (turns 29 this off season) so he pretty much is what he is. There's a place for him in MLB but he will never be a difference maker. If he wasn't a Stanford man we wouldn't focus on him very much I assume.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-06-2021
Two musts:
Don't resign Cueto
Never, ever, NEVER, EVER pitch to Arenado. Treat him like Bonds.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 09:11 PM)Phogge Wrote: Two musts:
Don't resign Cueto
Never, ever, NEVER, EVER pitch to Arenado. Treat him like Bonds.
As feared, the Giants are in the pre-All Star game wobble . . .
Fundamentally, I think they're weak in manufacturing runs - it's seemingly homer or bust for this squad. [With exception, so far anyway, of tonight's 3 runs - in game where Giants down by 3 in B8]. And looking at this roster, I don't think that's a sustainable road to the division title (or even a playoff spot), n/w/s that Analytics tells you that is always the best strategy.
BTW, if tonight's score holds, then the Giants will be 3-5 in their last 8 games (which includes 2 Ls when Gausman started and pitched very well). Danger, Will Robinson!
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 07-07-2021
So close to the win last night. Yes 3-5 down but love the comeback. Great catch by the Cards to end the game
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-07-2021
Still in first... have heart.
Need a bat. Freeze Luciano, Harrison, Corry, Bailey. Everyone else bait.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 07-07-2021
Bart really hitting like crazy.