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RE: End of Pac12? - Phogge - 12-15-2022
The University of California is so much more than sports. After hundreds of days on campus doing stories about research, medicine, chemistry, physics and being teargassed multiple times nobody there ever brings up athletics.
RE: End of Pac12? - 81alum - 12-15-2022
(12-15-2022, 08:57 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: One thing I have to say about the athletes at USCLA having to engage in all this travel. Among the primary values of going away to college is the ON CAMPUS experience. If USCLA athletes have to spend multiple weeks on the road, it greatly takes away from why you go to college in the first place.This is an excellent point. Students at major universities, by the way, overwhelmingly hated online instruction, and longed for the in-person experience. Being deprived of that won't be a net plus for many student-athletes. I could see this helping Cal recruit against UCLA for certain kinds of students, especially in non football sports that play more often than once a week. It could be devastating for Cori Close, for example.
I'm interested to see how schools recruiting against USCLA do when time to experience on campus life is considered a priority for a recruit.
RE: End of Pac12? - CTcard - 12-15-2022
(12-15-2022, 11:16 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: ... seems like the BOT is really making a poor decision here not to exercise their oversight.
Of course they did exercise their oversight, they just ended up coming to a decision you disagree with (as do I, and apparently many UCLA students, athletes and alums).
An interesting sidelight is that I have heard about lots of disagreement with the switch among the UCLA people but almost none from SC.
(12-15-2022, 03:21 PM)81alum Wrote: Students at major universities, by the way, overwhelmingly hated online instruction, and longed for the in-person experience.
While completely true, it seems to be strangely coupled with a brobdingnagian new demand to have courses offered online (or both in-person and online).
It's hard to grasp the logic of, "I hated that online stuff, it was a complete ripoff - how dare you not let me take the next course online"
RE: End of Pac12? - Mick - 12-15-2022
(12-15-2022, 03:48 PM)CTcard Wrote: An interesting sidelight is that I have heard about lots of disagreement with the switch among the UCLA people but almost none from SC.
That's because SC people aren't smart enough to understand why it's a bad deal for them... ;)
(12-15-2022, 03:21 PM)81alum Wrote: Students at major universities, by the way, overwhelmingly hated online instruction, and longed for the in-person experience.
While completely true, it seems to be strangely coupled with a of immense proportions new demand to have courses offered online (or both in-person and online).
It's hard to grasp the logic of, "I hated that online stuff, it was a complete ripoff - how dare you not let me take the next course online"
I heard the same about webinars. Supposedly people hated them, got sick of them, didn't want to see or participate in them...and yet, I have 8x people sign up for (and 10x attend) webinars vs. in-person events.
RE: End of Pac12? - Spiny_Norman - 12-19-2022
John Ourand at Sports Business Journal predicts that in 2023 the P12/P10 will sell most of its media rights to Amazon because they will pay more than ESPN.
https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx
Quote:ESPN will be prepared to split the Pac-12’s media rights with Amazon, but will not offer the conference significantly more than it pays for the Big 12. That will lead the Pac-12 to sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox. The Pac-12 will carve out a handful of prime-time football games that it then will sell to CBS.
RE: End of Pac12? - martyup - 12-19-2022
Will we have to have Prime to watch Stanford football games?
RE: End of Pac12? - TrumpCard - 12-19-2022
(12-15-2022, 03:54 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-15-2022, 03:48 PM)CTcard Wrote: Students at major universities, by the way, overwhelmingly hated online instruction, and longed for the in-person experience.
While completely true, it seems to be strangely coupled with a of immense proportions new demand to have courses offered online (or both in-person and online).
It's hard to grasp the logic of, "I hated that online stuff, it was a complete ripoff - how dare you not let me take the next course online"
I heard the same about webinars. Supposedly people hated them, got sick of them, didn't want to see or participate in them...and yet, I have 8x people sign up for (and 10x attend) webinars vs. in-person events.
I can harmonize these seemingly contradictory points.
(1) people don't learn as well when they take classes purely online.
(2) online classes are very convenient and make getting a degree far easier for someone who either: (a) is sufficiently motivated/independent to learn in that more challenging environment; or (b) gets value from having the piece of paper saying they graduated, so that learning all the material with a high level of understanding isn't a must have requirement.
RE: End of Pac12? - CardinalSagehen - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 03:47 PM)martyup Wrote: Will we have to have Prime to watch Stanford football games?
What about Colorado games? "Watch Coach Prime tonight on Prime! It's Prime Time in Colorado!"
Distribution on Amazon Prime would be WAY better than Pac-12 Network. A less extreme view is that Amazon (or, less appealingly, Apple) will receive roughly the inventory that Pac-12 Network currently receives, and the rest of the games will continue to be aired on linear TV. That would be a big step up, in my opinion.
In addition, the streamers need Pac-12 Network's production capability and might well receive it as part of the deal. They aren't set up to produce the games themselves.
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 05:21 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote:(12-19-2022, 03:47 PM)martyup Wrote: Will we have to have Prime to watch Stanford football games?
What about Colorado games? "Watch Coach Prime tonight on Prime! It's Prime Time in Colorado!"
Distribution on Amazon Prime would be WAY better than Pac-12 Network. A less extreme view is that Amazon (or, less appealingly, Apple) will receive roughly the inventory that Pac-12 Network currently receives, and the rest of the games will continue to be aired on linear TV. That would be a big step up, in my opinion.
In addition, the streamers need Pac-12 Network's production capability and might well receive it as part of the deal. They aren't set up to produce the games themselves.
The NFL currently streams on Amazon Prime. They are ready to jump into college football.
RE: End of Pac12? - 81alum - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 05:21 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote:I confess I don't know what Amazon Prime is. Would it cost me more than my current cable subscription which includes Pac 12 Networks? And would they do a package which includes all the non-football sports that Pac 12 Networks cover, or would it be a revenue-sports only deal? And which side of the "revenue-sports" do they put WBB? And could I get it on my TV via cable or would it only work on my computer via internet?(12-19-2022, 03:47 PM)martyup Wrote: Will we have to have Prime to watch Stanford football games?Distribution on Amazon Prime would be WAY better than Pac-12 Network.
Sorry for my dumb questions, I am not media savvy in the slightest degree.
RE: End of Pac12? - cardcrimson - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 06:28 PM)81alum Wrote: I confess I don't know what Amazon Prime is. Would it cost me more than my current cable subscription which includes Pac 12 Networks?
Free two day shipping on all your orders. That in and of itself makes it worthwhile (especially if the wife pays for it). Great for last minute shopping for those of us delinquent in playing Santa. The TV stuff is an added bonus.
RE: End of Pac12? - dabigv13 - 12-19-2022
I think it's like 99 bucks/year? And you get some streaming content with it similar to Netflix.
I agree that the built in Pac12 Network production capability is what makes this a possibility. Amazon can handle the distribution just fine.
If they bid the highest I think it would be great, would be able to easily watch games on any device of mine while home or traveling.
81alum, you would need an internet connection, and an internet capable TV or TV connected to a device that can connect to internet. Smartphone or computer would work too. Would not be a channel on your cable or satellite.
RE: End of Pac12? - CompSci87 - 12-19-2022
Amazon wouldn't have to have an exclusive on Pac-12, would they?
RE: End of Pac12? - gocard14 - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 03:34 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: John Ourand at Sports Business Journal predicts that in 2023 the P12/P10 will sell most of its media rights to Amazon because they will pay more than ESPN.
https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx
Quote:ESPN will be prepared to split the Pac-12’s media rights with Amazon, but will not offer the conference significantly more than it pays for the Big 12. That will lead the Pac-12 to sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox. The Pac-12 will carve out a handful of prime-time football games that it then will sell to CBS.
That may be a mistake. ESPN isn’t the juggernaut it was a decade ago but it’s still the premier option. You want them to own your rights so they hype you up in their million talk shows. Having no presence on ESPN severely hampered the NHL for many years. It may be better to take a bit less money for the exposure.
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 08:13 PM)gocard14 Wrote:(12-19-2022, 03:34 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: John Ourand at Sports Business Journal predicts that in 2023 the P12/P10 will sell most of its media rights to Amazon because they will pay more than ESPN.
https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx
Quote:ESPN will be prepared to split the Pac-12’s media rights with Amazon, but will not offer the conference significantly more than it pays for the Big 12. That will lead the Pac-12 to sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox. The Pac-12 will carve out a handful of prime-time football games that it then will sell to CBS.
That may be a mistake. ESPN isn’t the juggernaut it was a decade ago but it’s still the premier option. You want them to own your rights so they hype you up in their million talk shows. Having no presence on ESPN severely hampered the NHL for many years. It may be better to take a bit less money for the exposure.
The Big Ten said no thanks to the Sports Leader and I’m sure they will do just fine….
RE: End of Pac12? - gocard14 - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 08:37 PM)Giants Wrote:(12-19-2022, 08:13 PM)gocard14 Wrote:(12-19-2022, 03:34 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: John Ourand at Sports Business Journal predicts that in 2023 the P12/P10 will sell most of its media rights to Amazon because they will pay more than ESPN.
https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx
Quote:ESPN will be prepared to split the Pac-12’s media rights with Amazon, but will not offer the conference significantly more than it pays for the Big 12. That will lead the Pac-12 to sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox. The Pac-12 will carve out a handful of prime-time football games that it then will sell to CBS.
That may be a mistake. ESPN isn’t the juggernaut it was a decade ago but it’s still the premier option. You want them to own your rights so they hype you up in their million talk shows. Having no presence on ESPN severely hampered the NHL for many years. It may be better to take a bit less money for the exposure.
The Big Ten said no thanks to the Sports Leader and I’m sure they will do just fine….
True but for other major networks. Ones you can turn the TV on and navigate to and flip channels. No one opens their prime video app unless there is a specific thing they plan to watch a specific thing. Much like . . . The pac 12 now app.
RE: End of Pac12? - Chupacabra - 12-20-2022
Totally inaccurate, they take airplanes. A flight from LA to Maryland is just two more hours than a flight to Corvallis. Do you think they're riding the rails?
(12-15-2022, 08:57 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: One thing I have to say about the athletes at USCLA having to engage in all this travel. Among the primary values of going away to college is the ON CAMPUS experience. If USCLA athletes have to spend multiple weeks on the road, it greatly takes away from why you go to college in the first place.
I'm interested to see how schools recruiting against USCLA do when time to experience on campus life is considered a priority for a recruit.
RE: End of Pac12? - BostonCard - 12-20-2022
LAX to BWI is 4 hr 50 min non-stop (6 hr on the way back due to the jetstream) while LAX to Eugene is 2 hr 20 min and LAX to PDX is 2 hr 30 min. Moreover the 3 hour time zone difference means that the whole day is pretty much shot.
BC
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 12-20-2022
(12-19-2022, 09:19 PM)gocard14 Wrote:(12-19-2022, 08:37 PM)Giants Wrote:(12-19-2022, 08:13 PM)gocard14 Wrote:(12-19-2022, 03:34 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: John Ourand at Sports Business Journal predicts that in 2023 the P12/P10 will sell most of its media rights to Amazon because they will pay more than ESPN.
https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/12/19/Insiders/sports-media.aspx
Quote:ESPN will be prepared to split the Pac-12’s media rights with Amazon, but will not offer the conference significantly more than it pays for the Big 12. That will lead the Pac-12 to sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox. The Pac-12 will carve out a handful of prime-time football games that it then will sell to CBS.
That may be a mistake. ESPN isn’t the juggernaut it was a decade ago but it’s still the premier option. You want them to own your rights so they hype you up in their million talk shows. Having no presence on ESPN severely hampered the NHL for many years. It may be better to take a bit less money for the exposure.
The Big Ten said no thanks to the Sports Leader and I’m sure they will do just fine….
True but for other major networks. Ones you can turn the TV on and navigate to and flip channels. No one opens their prime video app unless there is a specific thing they plan to watch a specific thing. Much like . . . The pac 12 now app.
News of the Day: Disney to spin off ESPN and ABC. ESPN will then develop a streaming service independent of Disney. The process should be completed by the end of 2023.
How will this impact ESPN’s plans to purchase the rights to broadcast college sports?
RE: End of Pac12? - cardcrimson - 12-20-2022
(12-20-2022, 09:47 AM)BostonCard Wrote: LAX to BWI is 4 hr 50 min non-stop (6 hr on the way back due to the jetstream) while LAX to Eugene is 2 hr 20 min and LAX to PDX is 2 hr 30 min. Moreover the 3 hour time zone difference means that the whole day is pretty much shot.
BC
But you get three extra hours to study when you come back. . . .