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RE: Ben Burr-Kirven: Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - Stanfordebate - 12-06-2018
How could Stanford have been his dream school if he could not bother to go to a football camp less than five miles away?
RE: Ben Burr-Kirven: Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - BostonCard - 12-06-2018
(12-06-2018, 10:15 PM)Stanfordebate Wrote: How could Stanford have been his dream school if he could not bother to go to a football camp less than five miles away?
He was injured.
BC
RE: Ben Burr-Kirven: Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - Hulk01 - 12-07-2018
My doubts about BBK began with my awareness of the hyoe machine at UW, which focuses on a player each year and runs him relentlessly through the media, It began with Browning. My view was he was a good QB who had put up excellent first year numbers, but had not shown the skills to be an elite first round quarterback.
The next year, it was Rapp, who continues to ride his undeserved and misleading player of the game award for the 2016 Pac 12 championship. I still don't see the fuss. Shouldn't an elite safety defend passes better? Have you ever seen him make a play in a Stanford game.
As to BBK, his game against us last year was bad. UW's defense funnels plays to its ILBs--the DTs occupp three blocker and keep the OLs from moving down to the ILB--so he will always make tackles. But again--and you can find the game on YouTube--just watch the Stanford UW game of last year. (It's fun to see again, we won!) If you think that's player of the year level performance, and not thank-God-if-was-on-the-other-side play--well, you won't.
This doesn't begin to mean he wouldn't help us, even start at ILB. But I think Browning, Rapp, and BBK have all gotten more hype and, from it, more post-season recognition, than their actual performances--good as they may be--merits.
RE: Ben Burr-Kirven: Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - Phogge - 12-07-2018
Browning had a better QB coach in HS. Plus the system was light years ahead of Folsom’s opponents. I thought he was perfect vs Stanford in 2016 but leveled off the last two years. Still, he led a multiple conference champion. Don’t know much about Rapp.
You need guys who transcend size and stats although BKK certainly has the stats. I think of the way Ralph Phillips covered kickoffs, a human missle. Tiny Pat Preston shedding blocks and taking down a back. Ed Cummings. Rich Keller.
Big time whiff on Kirven. All he does is make tackles.
RE: Ben Burr-Kirven: Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - BobK - 12-07-2018
Stanford has had recruits fly across the country and not participate due to injury.
Not much of an excuse
RE: Ben Burr-Kirven: Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - slide - 12-07-2018
yeah, let's blame the kids for not recruiting the coaches/the school hard enough. Sacred Heart Prep is within walking distance of Shaw. he could finish practice, have the nightly dinner at home with the family and then walkover to see BBK play. yup, last clause is way over the top and TME.
again, while BBK is the case in point, my larger point is the overall level of effort in our recruiting approach. to paraphrase Nantz' overused cliche, "it is a tradition unlike any other."