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RE: WBB: Stanford 78 Tennessee 51 - mbdude - 12-20-2019
(12-20-2019, 12:06 PM)BosCard Wrote: Fran Fraschilla has a great post on Tara's Princeton offense. There is so much movement in real time that it is hard to see all the pieces other than the end result like Lexie open for a three or Jones open for a straight line drive. Fran breaks it down and shows how it all comes out of Tara's offense. The offense keeps stressing the defense to the point that something breaks down and we have an open shot. In real time, I thought Jones' drive was just her athleticism or bad defense but Fraschilla shows how it came out of the Princeton and a rejected screen. Fingall's cut drew the player defending her and thus she couldn't help defend Jones who had an uncontested layup. Or if she had, Jones would have passed to Fingall for an easy layup.
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1207871613024251904?s=20
Insightful video - thanks for posting
RE: WBB: Stanford 78 Tennessee 51 - Spiny_Norman - 12-20-2019
(12-20-2019, 12:06 PM)BosCard Wrote: Fran Fraschilla has a great post on Tara's Princeton offense. There is so much movement in real time that it is hard to see all the pieces other than the end result like Lexie open for a three or Jones open for a straight line drive. Fran breaks it down and shows how it all comes out of Tara's offense. The offense keeps stressing the defense to the point that something breaks down and we have an open shot. In real time, I thought Jones' drive was just her athleticism or bad defense but Fraschilla shows how it came out of the Princeton and a rejected screen. Fingall's cut drew the player defending her and thus she couldn't help defend Jones who had an uncontested layup. Or if she had, Jones would have passed to Fingall for an easy layup.
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1207871613024251904?s=20
BC, this is an excellent short lesson. Thanks so much for posting it. Note that of the 4 plays that Fraschilla analyzes, three different players receive the pass at the elbow and initiate the play (Belibi twice, Fingall and Jerome). Another illustration of how deep Stanford is. Belibi and Jones execute the offense like seasoned veterans, not freshmen barely two months into their college careers. It's been a real treat watching this team play. Fingers crossed that everyone can get healthy and stay that way.
RE: WBB: Stanford 78 Tennessee 51 - 81alum - 12-20-2019
(12-20-2019, 12:06 PM)BosCard Wrote: Fran Fraschilla has a great post on Tara's Princeton offense. There is so much movement in real time that it is hard to see all the pieces other than the end result like Lexie open for a three or Jones open for a straight line drive. Fran breaks it down and shows how it all comes out of Tara's offense. The offense keeps stressing the defense to the point that something breaks down and we have an open shot. In real time, I thought Jones' drive was just her athleticism or bad defense but Fraschilla shows how it came out of the Princeton and a rejected screen. Fingall's cut drew the player defending her and thus she couldn't help defend Jones who had an uncontested layup. Or if she had, Jones would have passed to Fingall for an easy layup.A great find! And that is just the elbow action. I've found other diagrams/video of the Princeton but how cool is it when your own team is used to model the system!
https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1207871613024251904?s=20
Have you noticed that other teams are not zoning us quite as much as they have the last two years, which allows us to stay in the Princeton a lot more? I wonder if it is what Jump did to Syracuse that has changed things.
Oregon plays the same zone as Syracuse. I wonder if they will continue to play it to mess up the Princeton or if they will have a different wrinkle for us when we see them.
RE: WBB: Stanford 78 Tennessee 51 - Griffins78 - 12-21-2019
I thought Tara constantly tweaks their offense and we don’t run a pure Princeton. Does anyone know?
RE: WBB: Stanford 78 Tennessee 51 - BobK - 12-21-2019
Adding Belibi over Coffee and there is more post play on offense
RE: WBB: Stanford 78 Tennessee 51 - 81alum - 12-21-2019
(12-21-2019, 07:42 AM)Griffins78 Wrote: I thought Tara constantly tweaks their offense and we don’t run a pure Princeton. Does anyone know?When I tried to educate myself about the Princeton, I learned there actually is no such thing as a pure Princeton. The more videos I watched the more frustrating it became since there are so many variations. I am sure that Tara puts bells and whistles on the system to fit the unique personality of each team.
But here is the best I can do to answer.
First, when the other team plays zone, the Princeton usually (though not quite always) gets replaced by a zone offense. I doubt, for example, that we will be working on the Princeton before we play Oregon, which pretty consistently plays zone.
As far as the Princeton is concerned, I've heard at a chalk talk at some point that what we do are some Princeton-offense elements--not that we necessarily run the entire system all the time.
For example, the video shared above shows the Princeton in the "High Post series" meaning a series of cuts and moves are conducted with the post up at the elbow looking to feed the ball to whichever player generates a mismatch via all the motion.
There are a half dozen other "series" in the Princeton and I am unsure how many of these Tara actually uses. You could say that each such series begins with the main assist positioned in a different spot, and a calculated "series" of movements of the other four players around that person carefully designed to screw up the player-to-player defense. For example, there is also a "Low Post series." The "Chin series" begins with a double handoff on one wing--we often open up with that one.
To the spectator, the Princeton typically has two or more players in motion--often in succession while the ball is stationary. None of the moves is "improvised" and every move is choreographed. If one "series" fails to produce a mismatch, and if there is enough time, the offense can switch to a different "series" which basically means to reposition the ball and run some different choreography around it to see if it works better. If time is running out and nothing has worked, then you are reduced to giving the ball to your best improvisational player and seeing how it goes.
The best way to defend the Princeton in the modern era is related to the shot clock. Full court pressure can slow it down and provide less time for all the series. As the shot clock has shrunk over the years, the Princeton has become less popular. Before a shot clock, the Princeton could be absolutely deadly since you could run an endless number of series until the other side eventually got fatigued and failed to keep up. It made for some very low scoring games. This is why, I think, Tara only takes elements of the Princeton now--it is not really possible to run the whole elaborate system on a short shot clock and expect it to work.
This is also one reason why we keep hearing at the chalk talks that Tara wants our team to "play with pace" and another good reason to use so much depth. We want to bring the ball up fast to allow more time to run those series. And most player-to-player defenses will just get exhausted by the end of the game trying to keep up with all that motion--provided we don't exhaust ourselves running it. It is a very good offense for a well conditioned team with a lot of depth.