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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - BobK - 12-29-2019

First of all agree with the poster above that the sky isn’t falling Although so happy I didn’t make the drive yesterday to watch that putrid game :)

Also agree that our offense or our type of offense works best when we hit 7-10 threes at 40%. However that’s true with most all offenses.

We have beat the 7, 11 and 26 RPI teams and the ranked 22 team.

Against Ohio State we were 6 of 24 and won by 19. Against Tennessee we were 11 of 30 and won by 27 so hard to make a real conclusion.

Still I would say must make threes to succeed and success is at least elite 8.

Rebounding bothers me because we seem to lose rebounds as we are at times unable to hold onto the ball once it appears we have the rebound. Interesting our strongest rebounder is Lexie who is oh she’s so slim. It’s strength, Lexi has strength bulk isn’t needed.

I watched Jump closely a couple of times yesterday and she certainly stayed with her player. However I don’t know if Jump was it when Davis was draining threes in the first half.

Our next 4 games are Washington State, Washington and cal twice. We certainly should be 4-0 going to Oregon. If not trouble brewing

For those interested Nicole Powell coaches at Cal today.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. UC Davis Saturday 2pm - stopandpop - 12-29-2019

Regarding the UC Davis game, I was down in Fresno earlier in the year and watched Fresno pretty much dominate Davis; especially on the perimeter (and Fresno is not a great team).

Conclusions so far as we head into Conference:  For teams like UC Davis who do not have a strong defensive post, Fingal is much more effective operating down low as opposed to @ the high post, which is where she was for much of the game.  Offensively, we are not making the opponent uncomfortable and this leads me to wonder why Tara is not making the long-term investment of Prechtel and have two bigs in the lineup at all times.  Yes, Prechtel has some mobility issues defensively, but down in the block she is big and strong enough to defend well and she REBOUNDS. Offensively, she can score outside as well as inside.  We would not have given up all those UC Davis offensive rebounds if Prechtel was in the lineup.  As a comparison, Oregon State's 6'6 Kennedy Brown and 6'4 Taylor Jones make mistakes all the time, but Coach Scott Rueck has seen the future with these two talented players (and what a problem they will present for opponents), so he's gone with them.  Tara has Prechtel on a short leash.  When she makes a foul or miscue, she comes out.  Haley (God bless her, she's awesome), makes mistakes every game, but she stays in.

You can really see how Alanna Smith's graduation has hurt this team defensively, but especially offensively.

Agree with other posts about Carrington.  Her presence is vital to this team's success in Conference and post-Conference.  If she and Dodson don't return, I don't see the current lineup becoming the offensive juggernaut that will create problems for other teams.  Even with Kianna's slump, the current lineup (as talented as they are), are simply too easy to defend and because we are a streaky 3-point shooting team, we don't have that as a reliable offensive option, as exposed in the Texas game. 

(12-28-2019, 08:16 PM)chimera Wrote:  
(12-28-2019, 05:05 PM)2006alum Wrote:  Well, we survived and advanced. UCD running the same offense as us (and in fact teaching it to Tara) definitely helps explain why they were tracking us so well on defense - I was very impressed with their defense, as we probably only got about 3 or 4 clean backdoor cuts the entire part of the game I watched. Tara seemed to have us start taking jumpers early in the 4th and that seemed to help keep them honest on defense, which in turn opened up the floor. 

I also felt like we rebounded much better in the second half, especially Jones, who seemed to be getting every other rebound for us. Indeed, she definitely had a landmark freshman game, stats line wise: 21 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks, and 1 steal. What I like so much about her game is she can Plan A the Princeton but also Plan B the one-on-one. 

I'm starting to wonder if something is more systematically off with Kiana Williams. She has had flashes of her old self this season, but for the most part, she's had a rough shooting stretch that began this spring, continued into the Pan-Am this summer, and has largely plagued her this fall. Coming into this game, if you can believe it, she had the third worst shooting percentage on the entire team, ahead of only Lacie Hull and Anna Wilson...

...and relatedly, I feel like one problem we have this year is that some of our best offensive options like Jump, Belibi, and Prechtel, are not strong defenders, and our best defenders, like Wilson and Lacie Hull, are not especially prolific on the offensive end. That means we're either giving up something on offense or on defense with any given set, because with Carrington out, our best dual purpose players are Lexie Hull, Jones, and Williams (and sorta Nadia Fingall), and with Williams in a shooting funk, we're basically either giving up something on offense, or else on defense.

I love our frosh, but unless the others come along on defense quickly or Carrington comes back, we're going to have a hard time keeping up those 80+ point games we had at the start of the season...

I share your concerns about the team with Carrington out and Williams in an extended offensive slump.  Those two are supposed to be out key guards, our go-to players on the perimeter.  When Williams has a game like today, not making a lot of obvious mistakes but also not really imposing herself on the game at all, it will be hard to win.  I don't know what is going on with Kiana.  I love her game but lately she has been passing up open threes, and generally not trying to get her shot going.  Maybe that's a function of the slump getting to her mentally, which would be understandable.  If that doesn't turn around, the ceiling for the team is much lower.  We need Carrington back for sure.  We need Williams "back" as well.

I am very impressed with Fingall, playing well and hard after her ACL tear.  She's been a warrior.  Lexie and Lacie are playing hard and generally well too.  Our frosh are all doing really, really well, but I don't think we can lean on them this much this early and expect to beat top teams like we will face in conference.


RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - 81alum - 12-29-2019

(12-29-2019, 10:58 AM)BobK Wrote:  For those interested Nicole Powell coaches at Cal today.

And a very interesting Arizona at ASU game going on right now.  A very tough defensive game so far.  Arizona looks like an excellent team to me--but CTT always has defensive answers.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - mbdude - 12-29-2019

Regarding the comment about missing Alanna - without her we don't have a true back to the basket post player so we are dependent on jump shooting. Fingall and Belibi do not have the moves, and we can't tell about Prechtel because Tara pulls her too quick. Jones easily leads the team in to's but remains in game.  And yes, Prechtel may make some fouls on defense but she can rebound and block. 

If I recall Jump entered game after the 3 point barrage from the UCD player. 

Kianna isn't just missing jump shots, she is also missing layups she used to make

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - 81alum - 12-29-2019

(12-29-2019, 01:51 PM)mbdude Wrote:  Regarding the comment about missing Alanna - without her we don't have a true back to the basket post player so we are dependent on jump shooting. Fingall and Belibi do not have the moves, and we can't tell about Prechtel because Tara pulls her too quick. Jones easily leads the team in to's but remains in game.  And yes, Prechtel may make some fouls on defense but she can rebound and block. 

If I recall Jump entered game after the 3 point barrage from the UCD player. 

Kianna isn't just missing jump shots, she is also missing layups she used to make
Earlier in the year I saw Prechtel with a drop step going over her right shoulder (or was it her left?) so she has the most basic back-to-the-basket move at least. 

At the chalk talk, Tempie noted that the biggest hurdle for the freshmen to overcome--in addition to playing at the speed and physicality of the college level--was learning how to follow a scout.  The freshmen who can absorb the scouting report and execute it will get more time than those who don't.  This was in response to a question about how the freshmen did not play much at Texas. 

This is also something that is hard for us as fans to judge.  If a player is told to not let her mark ever do a drop step to the right but to give up the drop step to the left if necessary, and she lets her mark go to the right--then Tara is probably going to pull her.  How are Belibi and Prechtel doing at executing these scouting reports?  I'm not sure, but Prechtel getting only 2 minutes isn't going to enlighten us.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - Lorcan - 12-29-2019

In grim news out of the Pacific Northwest, the same Gonzaga that took us to overtime in Maples is currently getting routed by lowly 7-4 Portland. I had been hoping that Gonzaga would march on through their schedule and be a resume booster come tourney time. The current state of affairs sees the Zags trailing by a monumental 17 points with 1 to play in the first as Portland takes a 37-20 lead.  

A live stream can be found here.

https://wccsports.com/watch/?id=6091880875001

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - BostonCard - 12-29-2019

End of three and Gonzaga has brought it to within six.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. UC Davis Saturday 2pm - CompSci87 - 12-29-2019

(12-29-2019, 10:17 AM)81alum Wrote:  While we are on Haley Jones's shooting, I wonder if others have any reaction to her flat, non arcing shot?  She shoots the ball so flat that it often hits the back rim and rattles, sometimes popping out of the basket.  She can be deadly accurate, but couldn't she be just as accurate and put a little arc under the ball?  As good as she is, a lot of her misses go part way down and then back up and out.  If every Haley shot that went "in and out" had actually gone "in,"  I imagine she would be shooting 74% instead of her already outstanding 54%.

The overly flat shot bugs me too. It seems to work okay for her on midrange jumpers (on which she really jumps), but it's not so good for 3-pointers. I remember someone asked at the postgame (or was it the chalk talk?) about whether the staff could work with a player to change her shot. I wonder if the questioner had Haley in mind.

A nice thing about a flat shot is that it has very little vertical momentum when it reaches the basket, so it isn't likely to bounce high off the rim. It may roll around a bit and fall in. But if you don't get it over the front rim, or if it hits too high and hard on the back rim and comes flying back out -- ugh.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - Lorcan - 12-29-2019

(12-29-2019, 03:27 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  End of three and Gonzaga has brought it to within six.

BC

Whew. What an escape for the Zags. We can return to our regularly scheduled programming now. Elsewhere in the PAC-12, UCLA absolutely crushing the Women of Troy, Colorado managing to stay unbeaten against Utah, and Washington has the lead against the Cougars at half-time. 

Marta Sniezek in street clothes again for the Irish, as they get hammered by Clemson, 71-55. That pesky and fun to watch Florida Gulf Coast that upset Missouri in Maples a few years ago (or last year?), absolutely destroyed the Blue Devils out of Duke with two players combining for 57 points to outscore the Blue Devils on their own 57-56. 

Sorry to distract from the post-game discussion, just thought I'd share what could've been a surprising development up north.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - CompSci87 - 12-29-2019

(12-29-2019, 03:56 PM)Lorcan Wrote:  
(12-29-2019, 03:27 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  End of three and Gonzaga has brought it to within six.

BC

Whew. What an escape for the Zags. We can return to our regularly scheduled programming now. Elsewhere in the PAC-12, UCLA absolutely crushing the Women of Troy, Colorado managing to stay unbeaten against Utah, and Washington has the lead against the Cougars at half-time. 

Marta Sniezek in street clothes again for the Irish, as they get hammered by Clemson, 71-55. That pesky and fun to watch Florida Gulf Coast that upset Missouri in Maples a few years ago (or last year?), absolutely destroyed the Blue Devils out of Duke with two players combining for 57 points to outscore the Blue Devils on their own 57-56. 

Sorry to distract from the post-game discussion, just thought I'd share what could've been a surprising development up north.

Thanks for posting. You and BC got me to turn on the Zags game just in time to see them go ahead.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - BostonCard - 12-29-2019

Gonzaga held Portland to four points in the fourth quarter and they win 62-57.  The zags outscored Portland 38-20 in the second half.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - 81alum - 12-29-2019

And Arizona beats ASU at ASU for the first time in two decades.  And it was a lot more than just Aari McDonald.   Cate Reese is an awesome forward who can shoot the three as well as go inside.  And they played suffocating defense--they out defensed CTT.  With UCLA looking might fine to add to the Oregon schools I think I see why Tara calls this year's Pac 12 a "bloodbath."  There are 5 Pac 12 schools that have a legit chance to go deep in the NCAAs.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - TheFarm07 - 12-29-2019

The first few games of the season, it seems like we were doing quite well for the most part. We demolished the opponents that we should have handled pretty easily (except for Cal Baptist) and then found a way to win against tougher opponents like Gonzaga, Syracuse and Mississippi State.  Then Ohio State and Tennesse were games that we managed to pass as well, but there were warning signs in this part of the season, that did not really bite us until the Texas loss and we managed to shake off to beat Davis.

As we look ahead into a tough conference season, we get a nice buildup in levels of difficulty to start off this part of the schedule. We start with two of the easier teams to start off with, UW and Washington State at home and then even though Cal no longer has Anigwe, one cannot underestimate a rivalry game and Cal played both UConn and Kentucky tough. Then comes the Oregon schools for our first major matchup.

Hopefully, in these three weeks, we'll get Carrington back and maybe have DiJonai back will put less pressure on Kiana to lead and she can get her shooting touch back. At this point, I am highly doubtful that we will be getting Maya back anytime soon. Maybe she can red-shirt and get a 5th season if she wanted to.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - martyup - 12-31-2019

I would like to see our women get more aggressive in protecting the ball after getting a rebound.  Too many times one of our players comes down with a rebound and allows opponent players to come in close and slap and grab at the ball.  Many times this results in a turnover or a tie up.  Without throwing elbows, it would be nice to see a more protective approach to securing rebounds.   Here are some illustrations:

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - BobK - 12-31-2019

A pet peeve of mine also Marty.

May i say that we all hope our WOMEN hold onto the ball after seemingly getting a rebound.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - crackpot - 12-31-2019

Pretty sure I've only seen Carrington grab a rebound and lose it *once* in all these years. Whatever she's being doing, obviously works. This knowledge needs to be somehow shared with her teammates.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - 2006alum - 12-31-2019

(12-31-2019, 04:31 PM)crackpot Wrote:  Pretty sure I've only seen Carrington grab a rebound and lose it *once* in all these years. Whatever she's being doing, obviously works. This knowledge needs to be somehow shared with her teammates.

Pop warner football is what she was doing growing up. And she definitely has employed the Nance Jr. takeaway throwdown before. I do think I've seen her have more than one rebound grabbed away from her, but she's probably grabbed away 10 for every one 1 taken from her. Beast mode.

Happy new year all!

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - jonnyss - 12-31-2019

(12-31-2019, 04:31 PM)crackpot Wrote:  Pretty sure I've only seen Carrington grab a rebound and lose it *once* in all these years. Whatever she's being doing, obviously works. This knowledge needs to be somehow shared with her teammates.
it's an interesting idea that carrington could teach her rebounding skill. clearly it's more than boxing out. she led the nation in rebounding while in high school.

RE: WBB: Stanford 67 UC Davis 55 - 81alum - 01-02-2020

Tara's presser on the UC Davis game is available at GoStanford.  Jones was the chosen player to appear.  Praised Nadia, Lacie, and Anna Wilson, mainly on defense.  Key quote:  "Our defense was the difference and we have to stoke up our offense."

She noted that Davis probably watched what Texas did to get O-boards and tried to replicate it.

In the second half, we switched from 2 bigs, with Haley playing either the 1 or the 3, to 1 big, with Haley playing the 4.  This was a defensive move to cut down on the three point shooting of Davis. It worked.

She noted that Davis even knows our calls, so every time we ran a play they knew what it was going to be.  We of course should have known their calls too, but they managed to use their offense to generate 20 open three point shots, 10 of which went down.  We need to work on running our offense better.

She responded to a question about Williams' offensive slump.  She noted how nice it was that the team no longer had to depend so heavily on her--but she expected that Ki would "get her mojo back."

She notes that if Carrington and Dodson were healthy that the freshmen would not be getting so much time--but that it was a great advantage for the freshmen to get this experience. 

And she noted that an 11-1 preseason was a great accomplishment.  She did not seem downbeat at all about Texas and our close wins, but did call them learning experiences.