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RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - martyup - 11-02-2022

(11-02-2022, 08:10 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:06 PM)martyup Wrote: Is anyone else underwhelmed by the turnout at Maples?

It's pretty thin. I guess a Wednesday evening exhibition wasn't a big draw.

I guess I assumed that with such a deep and talented team, ranked #2 in the Nation, would attract more fans to a home game.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - CompSci87 - 11-02-2022

(11-02-2022, 08:14 PM)martyup Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:10 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:06 PM)martyup Wrote: Is anyone else underwhelmed by the turnout at Maples?

It's pretty thin. I guess a Wednesday evening exhibition wasn't a big draw.

I guess I assumed that with such a deep and talented team, ranked #2 in the Nation, would attract more fans to a home game.

Well, I'm here. I can't answer for anyone else. :-/

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - martyup - 11-02-2022

In 18 minutes of play, Lepolo has 6 assists and a +/- of 38. She has made some great passes on those assists.

(11-02-2022, 08:16 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:14 PM)martyup Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:10 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:06 PM)martyup Wrote: Is anyone else underwhelmed by the turnout at Maples?

It's pretty thin. I guess a Wednesday evening exhibition wasn't a big draw.

I guess I assumed that with such a deep and talented team, ranked #2 in the Nation, would attract more fans to a home game.

Well, I'm here. I can't answer for anyone else. :-/

Tim, you're the Mann!

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - CompSci87 - 11-02-2022

Great defensive play by Harriel. Basically stole the ball from a player while she was shooting and took it the other way.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - Lorcan - 11-02-2022

This game makes me really excited for the future of Stanford guards. Lepolo and Nivar are going to be a great combo for years to come.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - martyup - 11-02-2022

(11-02-2022, 08:22 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: Great defensive play by Harriel. Basically stole the ball from a player while she was shooting and took it the other way.

Are there very many students at the game? It doesn't look like it from the video stream.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - CompSci87 - 11-02-2022

(11-02-2022, 08:25 PM)martyup Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 08:22 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: Great defensive play by Harriel. Basically stole the ball from a player while she was shooting and took it the other way.

Are there very many students at the game? It doesn't look like it from the video stream.

Not many.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - martyup - 11-02-2022

Well, the Cardinal has shown just about everything except a dunk.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - BostonCard - 11-02-2022

Do we have a 4x + 2 cheer?

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - BosCard - 11-02-2022

Like others, I was really impressed by the freshmen (Lepolo, Nivar and Betts). But wanted to give a shout out to Bosgana who is just so crafty and elusive when she drives the lane. Hope she gets some playing time this year to show what she can do.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs Vanguard 7pm Wed (exh) - jonnyss - 11-02-2022

(11-02-2022, 08:24 PM)Lorcan Wrote: This game makes me really excited for the future of Stanford guards. Lepolo and Nivar are going to be a great combo for years to come.

yes, and harriel, too!

on the wing, bosgana is much improved.

papadaki's ok. even green played good d!

but the posts - oh, my! 5 posts that could start for any team in the country.

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - WBB fan - 11-02-2022

I would have been there had the ticket problems not been an issue. But the livestream worked reasonably well. Overall, very impressed after that slow start -- great to see everyone contribute. Betts is going to be really good, very few minutes in this game, but when she was in, clearly had an impact. The most exciting thing from her for me was that mid-range jumper. If she can do that as well as closer in, she's going to be a nightmare to defend. Kiki, great, and Lepolo definitly is going to be a real contributor at pg. Good things to think about for everyone!

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - Jskass - 11-02-2022

Any stats out there? Don’t see any. Great to see all play so well.

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - petersalas - 11-02-2022

Although is was pretty empty… I had a great time and wow.. . the first half was great, even with the slow start.. but that second half!!! The second half score alone 59-8… it was a much better 2nd half team. This is going to be a great season!

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - bl82 - 11-02-2022

As much fun as it was to see Bosgana making good passes and being in the flow of the offense, I thought her disruptive defense was even more impressive. She had a quite a few deflections, tipped passes and generally cut off the flow of the Vanguard offense. I hope this outing earned her some more minutes, as we need a big disruptive wing on defense who can guard the perimeter, defend down low and also crash the boards.

Full stats:

http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/index.html?id=435877

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - Langdude - 11-02-2022

Vanguard is a Pentecostal school, but it appears that the Holy Spirit does not play favorites. Holy cow what a mismatch. Of course Vanguard knows that, and wants its players to get better by scheduling elite competition. Meanwhile, we were able to play a lot of different rotations.

I am geeked to see the (sort of) beginning of the Iriafen era.

-m.

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - stopandpop - 11-02-2022

Was at the game. My impressions:

Cam- Missed a few shots, but I loved her positioning on the court and shot selection. In limited minutes 10 points, 5 rebounds and 1 block.
Haley a bit sloppy, but not worried.
Hannah- She was in rhythm tonight, raining 3s.
Kiki-A good solid 2nd. half
Agnes played solid defense, but the offensive game is not quite there yet.
Talana is a great ball-handler and facilitator, but no points.
Indya impressed me with some of her moves and she can play defense.
Jzaniya surprised me with her defense and hit a couple of 3's to boot.
Elena is much improved! She is moving much better and we saw some of her guard skills.
Ashten- Missed 2 bunnies, but made up for that with 9 points in the 4th. quarter.
Lauren B.- When she posted down in the block, she just moved her defender out of the way and what a soft touch.
Brooke- She positioned herself well and her shot seemed effortless, but she's limited in terms of driving the ball.

We played much better in the 2nd. half although a big part of that was our size wearing the Vanguard players down.

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - 81alum - 11-02-2022

Overview:

We dominated, as we should have, given our gigantic physical advantages. We had players a foot taller than the Vanguard players they were guarding. But this was not about Vanguard, it was about seeing our freshmen for the first time, seeing how much our sophomores had improved, seeing who Tara started, and seeing if there were any changes on O or D. A 102-25 score was an appropriate outcome for such a game, but far more exciting were the clues to this team's future.

Nobody played more than 18 minutes, everybody played, and 13 people scored. We got 23 O-Boards on 38 missed shots, a ridiculous amount, but this reflects how height-challenged our opponents were.

As far as the event itself, it was sparsely attended. Over the last 10 years, weeknight games have not been attended well--the weekend matinees do much better. The fan base for Stanford WBB has been elderly, and frankly the old guard from the 1990s championships days has been dying off or getting sick, and not being replaced by a younger cohort of fans. But tonight was an exhibition, the band was not there, and only a smattering of students--there were a few male athletes from other teams. Neither the elderly nor grade school kids show up on a Wednesday night but they will be there on a weekend day.

What we learned about the players:

First, we learned that at this moment Tara thinks these players represent our strongest team:

5. Iriafen

4. Brink

3. Jump

2. Emma-Nnopu

1. Jones

Those were the starters both for the first and second halves. But for some reason, the groups that did the best at widening our lead were not the starters, but the myriad combinations of 2nd and 3rd string (or should I saw "wave") players that regularly rotated in and out and played with great enthusiasm.

The following are my highly subjective impressions:

1-2-3 Jones, Brink, and Jump. Jump only started 14 games last year, but I just consider her one of the carryover starters. These three all had their moments of brilliance. Unlike the open practice, Jump hit her treys tonight 4/9 and looked positively machine-like in smoothly pouring in the points. Brink started slow but became more aggressive at driving and this seemed to get her back on track. Jones was Jones, scoring or not on whim, depending upon what the occasion demanded. No great surprises. Just 1 assist to 3 turnovers, though. Brink did not bomb away from the perimeter, and she did not make a lot of long range shots in practice. She looked like the old Brink, not like a new Brink.

4. Iriafen. In practice she looked to be on fire, hitting jumpers from the three point line, the elbow, pretty much anywhere with almost no misses. In the game she seemed tight and missed several close in jumpers before getting a bit more on track 4/7. I certainly see why Tara started her, but it seemed like it took her a while to get used to playing in a real game. I expect her to really be a superstar in time, but she was not tonight.

5. Emma-Nnopu. She got the start and her defense was good, without fouling (at all.) She showed the ability to score some situationally 1/3, but she was not looking to score most of the time. On defense she guarded the opposing point guard and helped to shrink their clock at the offensive end. I noticed she was guarding with less frenetic activity than she exerted last year. There were a couple of times that a shorter guard got around her, but her defense seemed more controlled and efficient than a year ago.

6. Lepolo was the first off the bench, coming in to relieve Jones. I'm very high on her. She is a very good ball handler and brought the ball up with pace and delivered crisp passes. She seemed to make good decisions. 6 assists to 0 turnovers in only 18 minutes of play. Hard to ask for more from a point guard. I don't think she felt she needed to score, but we know she has a good shot and can. It will be hard to keep her on the bench. I think in time it will become obvious that our offense does better with her running it and Jones free to focus on scoring.

7-8. Nivar 2/5 and Demetre 4/9. Both did well, but neither wowed me. Nivar showed some good defense, her three point shot, and some quickness. Demetre played well all around. I want to see some stats!

9. Bosgana. She looked MUCH improved. 5/7 with 8 rebounds and 4 assists. A superb night for her. Instead of always driving to her right and to the basket, she hit a trey, made some good assists, and even brought the ball up with pace from time to time. She was one-dimenstional in what she showed last year, and seemed multi-dimensional this time around.

10. Belibi 3/5. It was good to see her playing. While she was still wearing something to protect her left arm and thumb, this did not stop her from dunking before the game or making a ridiculous one-handed O-board and put back during the game.

11. Prechtel 5/8. She did not play, I believe, until the second half. She ran into some bunny-itus which has often been her problem--for such a tall player she does not have soft hands around the basket, and missed several gimmes. But then she made a couple, dropped some jumpshots at the three point line, and began to look like her old self. But the inside misses reminded me of why she can't be a starting post--she is more likely to hit a trey than a contested layup.

12. Betts. She looked better to me than during the open practice. She showed a reliable soft touch from in close 5/6, and she received passes over the heads of the vertically disadvantaged Vanguard players with ease. But she is neither fast or quick, but does seem more skilled than most freshman bigs. Such soft hands around the basket.

13 Harriel was our third point guard and seemed to me to do well bringing the ball up, but she also defended well. In 14 minutes she was 2/2 with 5 rebounds and 4 assists to 0 turnovers. Those are pretty terrific numbers.

14-15 Harriel Papadaki. Papadaki has the highest arc on her shot of any player I think I have ever seen. And once it went in for three! She seemed to acquit herself reasonably well on defense. Green got into the game a couple of time and she seemed to hold her own on defense.

What about team strategy?

Well, any thought that the Princeton might be gone this year can be forgotten. The offense looked the same, although I imagine there will be new wrinkles to reflect the personnel changes.

The most interesting thing I noticed on defense was the constant switching on the perimeter. There comes a point where switching and zone begin to look a lot alike. Our players mainly stayed on their marks, but when the Vanguard player was zipping along the three point line, our defenders would often switch off. It seemed as if Tara was willing to let our players be almost entirely interchangeable on defense.

Conclusion:

This is going to be a very fun year. Sophomores like Iriafen and Bosgana and Demetre seem to have significantly improved, and freshmen like Lepolo, Nivar and Betts will all make important contributions before this year is out. Seeing how Tara integrates this into our system and our returning All Americans is going to be a fun ride.

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - CompSci87 - 11-02-2022

I almost forgot to capture the stream, but I was reading the Cardboard while waiting for my burger at Gott's just before the game, and bl82's post reminded me. I was able to log into my home machine from my phone and started the capture successfully!

The video is uploading to YouTube now and will be here when it's finished. YouTube makes a standard def version available first, so if it looks blurry, wait a while and the high def version should be there.

https://youtu.be/ufYgzPFhMwc

RE: WBB: Stanford 102 -- Vanguard 25 - chimera - 11-02-2022

Attendance was what it usually is for mid-week exhibitions, nothing different about tonight. Wish it was more but it is what it is for a game like this. After the slow start I was impressed. We will be just fine at guard. Jones did try to do too much early against the zone but it was a team-wide sluggishness I thought, not just her. First game nerves maybe. 25 assists and 8 turnovers in a game with this much subbing is very good. I thought Lepolo, Nivar and Harriel all played very well on offense and defense. It is not Jones or uh oh at point guard. There will be a learning curve, which is expected and fine. Emma-Nnopu did well but I am not convinced she is the optimum lockdown defender for some very quick opponents. Nivar looks like she could be. She is very quick and anticipates well. I know it is just Vanguard but 25 points given up is still good.

Bosgana looked very good. She really used her length well to steal the ball and rebound, and she looks much more in control and comfortable. She is quick enough to stay in front of smaller players and torment them with her length. She is a lot of fun to watch. The whole team is.

Returning players were all fine, not perfect, but we know what they can do so no comment except to say I don't think it was Iriafen's best night but she still looks like she will be an impact player. She is too talented and works too hard not to be.

Betts did not play that much and played in short stretches (most everyone did but hers seemed shorter). Looks to me like they are working her in slowly. She moves very well for her height and has soft hands and a nice shot from fairly far out. She should be a monster one day in the not too distant future. For now she has a bunch of upperclassmen in front of her. What a nice problem to have - how to get her more time.

Demetre does look much improved. The main issue is where to play her. Her defense against players close to her size should be fine but not sure about her guarding on the perimeter against quick guards, and we are so stacked inside. But she can be such a good shooter who can hit those fades easily when guarded, which is a brobdingnagian asset.

Everyone who played did some good things and nobody looked lost or out of place. We have a deep team that is very fun to watch. It was worth the drive even with an overmatched opponent. I'm not sure if we've seen so many really good passes out of so many different players in one game in a while, even in an exhibition.