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RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 03-30-2023
Giants strike out 16 times in the 6-0 loss today. I meant 62 not 92 wins. Lol
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 03-30-2023
(03-30-2023, 12:44 PM)BobK Wrote: Giants strike out 16 times in the 6-0 loss today. I meant 62 not 92 wins. Lol
C'mon Bob, it was ONLY 5-0. And the Yankees struck out 16 times too.
Of course, the Yankees got runners past first base, something that was too big a lift for the Giants.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 03-30-2023
Point. I do get my 9s and 6s mixed up. Lol
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 03-30-2023
Webb set a Giants record for most strikeouts on Opening Day (12).
Webb and Cole became the third pair of opposing pitchers to record double-digit K’s on Opening Day.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - qwerty49 - 03-30-2023
Guess I’m just a spoiled old geezer who remembers when the farm system produced at least one good OF every year and we didn’t have to rely on guys off the waiver wire.
Everything I’ve seen here and elsewhere about Bart suggests he’s not a keeper. Too bad, on paper he was a good draft pick.
4 hits today. What a juggernaut! At least they don’t have Craw batting cleanup.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 03-30-2023
(03-30-2023, 10:22 AM)Giants Wrote:(03-30-2023, 08:36 AM)BobK Wrote: Getting rid of Johnson is such a stupid yes stupid move. As in we don’t need no stupid speed
Don’t give up on Johnson yet. If no one signs him, he may be on the Sacramento-San Francisco express this season.
First day reactions:
1) Bryce Johnson is 27, went 2 for 18 last year, struck out 12 times in 42 spring ABs, hit .310, no power whatsoever (4 doubles, no HRs or triples). He's Herb Washington.
2) Best stat of the day: No errors.
3) Second best stat of the day: SF Giants pitchers threw for 16 strikeouts.
4) Worst stat of the day: SF Giants batters struck out 16 times.
5) Yankees stole two bases off of calm, dominant, former Gold Glover Robert Perez.
6) Our cleanup hitter Pederson had a walk and struck out 3 times in three at bats.
7) Piscotty was released at his request.
8) Luke Jackson is on the 15 day DL. I thought he was going to be on the 60 day DL.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 03-30-2023
(03-30-2023, 05:42 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Guess I’m just a spoiled old geezer who remembers when the farm system produced at least one good OF every year and we didn’t have to rely on guys off the waiver wire.
Everything I’ve seen here and elsewhere about Bart suggests he’s not a keeper. Too bad, on paper he was a good draft pick.
4 hits today. What a juggernaut! At least they don’t have Craw batting cleanup.
Since the advent of the draft 58 years ago in 1965, we drafted three impact outfielders in three years; Garry Maddox. Gary Matthews and George Foster. In the other 59 years, we had a few good ones that we let go including Rob Deer, Pete Incaviglia, Chris Singleton, J. D. Drew and Bryan Reynolds. The only great homegrown outfielders that we kept were Jack Clark and Chili Davis. We had a number of "ok" outfielders including Steven Duggar, Austin Slater, Fred Lewis, Dan Ortmeier, Marvin Benard, Calvin Murray, Bryce Johnson, Mac Williamson, Adam Hyzdu, Ron Roenicke, Gary Thomasson. That's about it -- and technically speaking, we did draft Barry Bonds out of Serra.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 03-31-2023
No Mick, Johnson is not Herb Washington. He is an excellent OF, has terrific speed and has had a high OBP last couple years. The SSS means absolutely nothing. I don’t care if he has power. There are other ways to contribute.
The point, however, is not that he is a major prospect or key cog. He’s not. We are talking about 25th or 26th man. The point is, he had a great spring .828 OPS.and it was 12 Ks in 52 PAs.). was led to believe he all but locked up a spot and then had the rug cut out from under him on the morning of opening day. And for who - Matt Beatty. A 30 year old that has no real position ( he plays 1B and LF). Neither well. Giving the Giants 5 potential 1B. The reason- he’s a better left handed hitter, or at least used to be, than Johnson (a switch hitter). Giants facing primarily RH pitching first week.
Zaidi can’t help himself on the Churn. It’s also, yet again, an indication of how it’s offensive matchups over everything. Defense? Forget it. Speed? Forget it. It also sends a terrible message to the farm system.
Whoever had the slot is, in all likelihood, going to AAA as soon as Haniger is ready. So, it was short term. Johnson earned the spot. But Zaidi is, at heart, a mathematician. I don’t know if he ever played baseball. He certainly didn’t past high school. It’s analytics all the time. Kapler simply follows along.
I heard a very interesting interview with Dave Righetti. Talked about how in his last couple year all he did was hand out baseballs. Everything was being run by “guys in suits” . All about analytics.
Joe Maddon had the same lament. At the end of his tenure, he wasn’t running the game. The suits were.
Analytics have taken over baseball. The result is a mind numbing sameness. Power plays. Nothing else does. The league understands the need for change. Which is part of the reason for the rule changes. I long to see the Bret Butlers and Ozzie Smiths again. Today they have no chance. After all, they had no power.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 03-31-2023
(03-31-2023, 07:04 AM)lex24 Wrote: No Mick, Johnson is not Herb Washington. He is an excellent OF, has terrific speed and has had a high OBP last couple years. The SSS means absolutely nothing. I don’t care if he has power. There are other ways to contribute.
The point, however, is not that he is a major prospect or key cog. He’s not. We are talking about 25th or 26th man. The point is, he had a great spring .828 OPS.and it was 12 Ks in 52 PAs.). was led to believe he all but locked up a spot and then had the rug cut out from under him on the morning of opening day. And for who - Matt Beatty. A 30 year old that has no real position ( he plays 1B and LF). Neither well. Giving the Giants 5 potential 1B. The reason- he’s a better left handed hitter, or at least used to be, than Johnson (a switch hitter). Giants facing primarily RH pitching first week.
Lex, I was being facetious. Let me spell it out for you. THE TEAM TREATED HIM AS IF HE WERE HERB WASHINGTON. Sure, he is an excellent outfielder -- and we have precious few of those -- and he can steal a base -- and we have precious few who can do that. I would far prefer that they kept Bryce Johnson, but they saw his .310 spring training batting average and said "let me get a more versatile player" for that 25th/26th slot as you pointed out.
(03-31-2023, 07:04 AM)lex24 Wrote: I heard a very interesting interview with Dave Righetti. Talked about how in his last couple year all he did was hand out baseballs. Everything was being run by “guys in suits” . All about analytics. Joe Maddon had the same lament. At the end of his tenure, he wasn’t running the game. The suits were.
It may be that the game had passed them by. I love Righetti, he was Eckersley about two years before Dennis Eckersley switched from starting to relieving. Obviously he knows/knew pitching. Righetti has something in common with Cain and Lincecum...all three burned out by their early 30s. Rags pitched for the Giants from ages 32-34, and had a 5-15 record with a 4.61 ERA, compared to his 3.46 career ERA. Cain retired at 32, but his string of really poor seasons started at age 28 -- he was 19-40 after age 27. Exact same for Lincecum who had his last really good year at age 27, then went 39-42 with a 4.68 ERA from age 28 on.
When Rags started, Giant team ERA was 5.13 the year before Rags started, he brought it down to 4.61 immediately, then continued to lower it to 3.37, his low-water mark in 2011. He was very effective at his job, then it started creeping back up, reaching 4.27 in 2013. It then lowered immediately to 3.79 and hovered there for a few years...when he was being told by the suits what to do? Maybe. It ballooned to 4.79 in his last year.
(03-31-2023, 07:04 AM)lex24 Wrote: Analytics have taken over baseball. The result is a mind numbing sameness. Power plays. Nothing else does. The league understands the need for change. Which is part of the reason for the rule changes. I long to see the Bret Butlers and Ozzie Smiths again. Today they have no chance. After all, they had no power.
I still watch and like baseball. I don't care about the analytics. I like a great pitch, a great swing, a great catch, a great throw. That's all i really care about, that and the players that wear "Giants" on their shirt.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - cardcrimson - 03-31-2023
Not sure if it was the company line, but Krukow this morning commented that they brought Beatty in for one thing, to pinch hit. He also stated that while Johnson had a great spring and is certainly a big league level player, he needs more at bats and playing time. He wasn't going to get much of either at this point with the big club.
Haven't seen much baseball this spring, but it seems you give the guy a shot, especially with some guys out. He's 27 right? Not getting any younger.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 03-31-2023
(03-31-2023, 09:00 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Not sure if it was the company line, but Krukow this morning commented that they brought Beatty in for one thing, to pinch hit. He also stated that while Johnson had a great spring and is certainly a big league level player, he needs more at bats and playing time. He wasn't going to get much of either at this point with the big club.
Haven't seen much baseball this spring, but it seems you give the guy a shot, especially with some guys out. He's 27 right? Not getting any younger.
It isn’t about Johnson v. Beatty per se, it is about the overall approach to roster building. In an interview with Baggerly last week, Zaidi indicated the focus this year was going to be “internal”, bringing up guys SF drafted rather than scouring the waiver wire for players dropped by other teams. That approach lasted until the morning of Opening Day when Johnson was sent to Sacramento in favor of Beatty.
The message that transaction sent to the players and fan base was loud and clear. Nothing has changed. The Giants have no interest in turning off the spin cycle.
Quite frankly, this is a major disappointment. If SF is going to become a player again in the NL West, they are going to have to trust their farm system to produce talent (in combination with signing premier free agents to fill the gaps). Continuing to sign rejects from other teams will only slow the process of building a team that can compete at the highest level of the game.
Yes, we will probably see Johnson this in a Giants uniform this year. However, it should have been on Opening Day.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 03-31-2023
Gary Sanchez signed to a minor league deal with an opt-out date of May 1. The Giants catching corps will be under the microscope in April.
Apropos of nothing…. 21 out of 22 base stealing attempts were successful on Opening Day (only Toronto’s Matt Chapman was unsuccessful). Does it really matter who is catching? With the new rules in place, you probably won’t stop the opposition from stealing second anyway…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 03-31-2023
I would really have liked to see Johnson, and other homegrown Giants.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 03-31-2023
(03-31-2023, 03:03 PM)Giants Wrote: Gary Sanchez signed to a minor league deal with an opt-out date of May 1. The Giants catching corps will be under the microscope in April.They will look to trade Bart if Sánchez gets ready
Apropos of nothing…. 21 out of 22 base stealing attempts were successful on Opening Day (only Toronto’s Matt Chapman was unsuccessful). Does it really matter who is catching? With the new rules in place, you probably won’t stop the opposition from stealing second anyway…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 03-31-2023
(03-31-2023, 08:46 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-31-2023, 03:03 PM)Giants Wrote: Gary Sanchez signed to a minor league deal with an opt-out date of May 1. The Giants catching corps will be under the microscope in April.They will look to trade Bart if Sánchez gets ready
Apropos of nothing…. 21 out of 22 base stealing attempts were successful on Opening Day (only Toronto’s Matt Chapman was unsuccessful). Does it really matter who is catching? With the new rules in place, you probably won’t stop the opposition from stealing second anyway…..
I thought Joey Bart's days were numbered on the day they drafted Patrick Bailey.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 04-01-2023
(03-31-2023, 09:12 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-31-2023, 08:46 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-31-2023, 03:03 PM)Giants Wrote: Gary Sanchez signed to a minor league deal with an opt-out date of May 1. The Giants catching corps will be under the microscope in April.They will look to trade Bart if Sánchez gets ready
Apropos of nothing…. 21 out of 22 base stealing attempts were successful on Opening Day (only Toronto’s Matt Chapman was unsuccessful). Does it really matter who is catching? With the new rules in place, you probably won’t stop the opposition from stealing second anyway…..
I thought Joey Bart's days were numbered on the day they drafted Patrick Bailey.
Catchers are always hard to find. Plus Bailey is a switch hitter who is significantly stronger hitting from the left side. So there was/is always possibility of a platoon. Unfortunately, Bailey hasn’t developed as well as theyd like to this point. Although much of that is that he has been absolutely awful hitting right handed. To the point where I hope they just end his switch-hitting. (Interestingly, my understanding is the right side is his natural side). The Giants did that with JT Snow and it made a difference.
I don’t think the Giants have handled Bart very well. My guess is that if Sanchez shows that he’s ready he’ll take over the starting catching chores with Perez backing him up. 60-40 if you will. Bart has an option left so they can send him down. But at that point, I think his Giants career is essentially done.
(03-31-2023, 08:24 PM)Mick Wrote: I would really have liked to see Johnson, and other homegrown Giants.
Back in the day the Giants would occasionally see Les Johnson late in spring training games that Kruk and Kuip were announcing…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 04-01-2023
Speaking of Johnson. Giants called him up today and sent down wisely. Baggerly suggests that the whole thing was done to manipulate options. I can’t say that I understand it. But at least it’s a better explanation than they needed another borderline left-handed bat.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 04-01-2023
What I read…
Beaty had a “upward mobility” clause in his KC contract. This meant if another team offered him a big league job within 48 hours of the Royals notifying him that he was not going to be on their roster, KC had to let him go.
The Giants wanted him and because of this unusual clause, they had to place him on the 26 man roster for a minimum of one day. Hence the Beaty for Johnson switch. Now Beaty can be optioned out to ride the Sac-SF express. In the meantime, the Giants sent Wisely back to Sac. and activated Johnson (who never left NY). Why the Giants didn’t keep Johnson in lieu of Wisely on Opening Day is anyone’s guess…..
An explanation by Zaidi at the time of the transaction would have been helpful but he probably figured we wouldn’t understand so why bother making an effort…….
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 04-01-2023
(04-01-2023, 04:13 PM)Giants Wrote: An explanation by Zaidi at the time of the transaction would have been helpful but he probably figured we wouldn’t understand so why bother making an effort…….
My general sense is that Zaidi, like a lot of brilliant, accomplished people, does not care to explain himself, his motives or his actions to the hoi polloi.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 04-01-2023
Giants win 7-5. Peterson and Crawford with HRs