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RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - DC 86 - 07-28-2021
Something to monitor over the next 48 hours:
Washington is determined to trade Max Scherzer, who has the right to veto a trade as a 10/5 man. Reportedly he has told Mike Rizzo that his strong preference is to pitch in the NL West and that he would accept a trade to LAD, SD or SF, all of whom have some degree of interest.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-28-2021
Not worth a top prospect.
Offer Slater, Tauchman, Dubon, Brebbia, Belt in a package. LOL.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 07-28-2021
Well the good thing a free agent after this year Good because his last few outings haven’t been good.
Rather a big bat. Bryant of the Cubs ? Also a free agent after this season
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - DC 86 - 07-28-2021
(07-28-2021, 08:41 AM)BobK Wrote: Well the good thing a free agent after this year Good because his last few outings haven’t been good.
Rather a big bat. Bryant of the Cubs ? Also a free agent after this season
Scherzer was pitching with a triceps injury. On Monday he threw a 40-pitch bullpen and reported no discomfort afterwards as he had been experiencing recently every time he threw.
if he actually has a serious arm injury then it's moot point, but if he gets back to his normal level of play the Giants aren't going to be happy to have to face him twice in a playoff series, or to have to face him down the stretch if it's close between SF/LAD/SD.
A high level prospect is not going to be the price for a two-month rental and SF has prospect depth to propose a deal, which they are apparently doing.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 07-28-2021
(07-28-2021, 07:30 AM)BobK Wrote: Bellinger with one of the worst errors ever. ThankfullyMuncy's interference did not help . . . even if Bellinger didn't consciously realize he would have killed his teammate had the throw been on line (and not air-mailed).
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - old spanish trail - 07-28-2021
Concerns re Buster taking pitch in the mask. I'm sure Brebbia is a nice fellow but can't put him in important situation. Release or ???
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-28-2021
Tauchman must have National Enquirer evidence on Farhan. He and Brebbia must go.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 07-28-2021
Giants smoked tonight.
Buehler may be the best pitcher in the majors . . . a healthy DeGrom is the only guy I'd take before Buehler in a must-win game.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - DC 86 - 07-29-2021
(07-28-2021, 08:41 AM)BobK Wrote: Well the good thing a free agent after this year Good because his last few outings haven’t been good.
Rather a big bat. Bryant of the Cubs ? Also a free agent after this season
Scherzer 6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER today vs Phl.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-29-2021
Crawford, Sanchez active. Tauchman DFA, Brebbia optioned.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - ATLcardinal - 07-29-2021
Tauchman obviously needed to go a while ago. But I still think his takeaway of Pujol's walk-off was the most important play of the season. I wish him luck.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 07-29-2021
Well, Scherzer to the Dodgers. Dodgers also got Trea Turner. I haven't seen the details, but the headline says they gave up a "massive prospect haul"
BC
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - DC 86 - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 06:13 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well, Scherzer to the Dodgers. Dodgers also got Trea Turner. I haven't seen the details, but the headline says they gave up a "massive prospect haul"
BC
Not a done deal yet but close. Supposedly they are giving up their top two prospects, Keibert Ruiz © and Josiah Gray (P), as well as two mid-range prospects, although sometimes these things change at the last minute. The Dodgers are so deep at catcher and pitcher that they can afford to do these deals. Turner tested positive for covid today, though.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-29-2021
Giants are targeting Trevor Story and have been talking to the Angels about pitching.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - lex24 - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 06:25 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(07-29-2021, 06:13 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well, Scherzer to the Dodgers. Dodgers also got Trea Turner. I haven't seen the details, but the headline says they gave up a "massive prospect haul"
BC
Not a done deal yet but close. Supposedly they are giving up their top two prospects, Keibert Ruiz © and Josiah Gray (P), as well as two mid-range prospects, although sometimes these things change at the last minute. The Dodgers are so deep at catcher and pitcher that they can afford to do these deals. Turner tested positive for covid today, though.
Done now. Ugh.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - old spanish trail - 07-30-2021
(07-29-2021, 08:33 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-29-2021, 06:25 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(07-29-2021, 06:13 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well, Scherzer to the Dodgers. Dodgers also got Trea Turner. I haven't seen the details, but the headline says they gave up a "massive prospect haul"
BC
Not a done deal yet but close. Supposedly they are giving up their top two prospects, Keibert Ruiz © and Josiah Gray (P), as well as two mid-range prospects, although sometimes these things change at the last minute. The Dodgers are so deep at catcher and pitcher that they can afford to do these deals. Turner tested positive for covid today, though.
Done now. Ugh.
Ugh is right. Giants still talking re Cubbies all arounder Bryant? Looking at Kimbrel? Heard they have $100 mill to play around with. Meanwhile, bag of oddities continues to excel. Johnny's best game.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 07-30-2021
Slater is 13/41 (.317) with 2 HR, 5 RBI, and 5 runs scored in 19 games in July. He’s 4/8 in the last two games against the Dodgers and had an RBI and a run scored tonight.
BC
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 01:12 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Slater is 13/41 (.317) with 2 HR, 5 RBI, and 5 runs scored in 19 games in July. He’s 4/8 in the last two games against the Dodgers and had an RBI and a run scored tonight.
BC
Also, he had 2 ABs in yesterday's game that were rips - one to 3B, one to LF - that could easily have been hits. Instead, a FC and a lineout to LF. The vagaries of baseball make stats a bit hit or miss; still, I agree that Slater is playing much better recently. And Slater had a clutch 2 out single to knock in run #4 - helll, the Giants were crazy good in 2-out hitting yesterday (not so good in one-out-hitting with runner on 3rd - Solano caught looking on strike 3 . . . doh!). And I agree Johnny's best game.
Part of me wants the Giants to hold tight and see if this rag tag bunch can hold off the Dodgers and Padres the rest of the way.
But a bigger part of me wants them to win the division, and I suspect that will take one more arm (closer or starter), and possibly one more big stick.
If I could only take one - it probably would be a no-doubt-about-it closer. But McGee has been good last few outings, and Garcia has been terrific.
Fun team to watch and root for.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 07-30-2021
I admit that I was skeptical about Farhan and now I hope he sticks to his plan re prospects. Productive catchers are like platinum and should be polished and preserved. Hang onto Bart. I guess Slater needs to play regularly but in System Kapler will only face lefties.
Unless I missed something no Giants moves with three hours left.
BTW, Doval clocked at 104.5 mph on Tuesday night.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Mick - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 08:54 AM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-30-2021, 01:12 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Slater is 13/41 (.317) with 2 HR, 5 RBI, and 5 runs scored in 19 games in July. He’s 4/8 in the last two games against the Dodgers and had an RBI and a run scored tonight.
BC
Also, he had 2 ABs in yesterday's game that were rips - one to 3B, one to LF - that could easily have been hits. Instead, a FC and a lineout to LF. The vagaries of baseball make stats a bit hit or miss; still, I agree that Slater is playing much better recently. And Slater had a clutch 2 out single to knock in run #4 - helll, the Giants were crazy good in 2-out hitting yesterday (not so good in one-out-hitting with runner on 3rd - Solano caught looking on strike 3 . . . doh!). And I agree Johnny's best game.
Part of me wants the Giants to hold tight and see if this rag tag bunch can hold off the Dodgers and Padres the rest of the way.
But a bigger part of me wants them to win the division, and I suspect that will take one more arm (closer or starter), and possibly one more big stick.
If I could only take one - it probably would be a no-doubt-about-it closer. But McGee has been good last few outings, and Garcia has been terrific.
Fun team to watch and root for.
Agreed on all points. During the Giants' 12th shutout of the season, Slater could easily have been 4 for 4, sometimes he's really fun to watch, and he had a nice stolen base. I actually don't mind a stand-pat strategy, although I'd far prefer to have both Kimbrel and Bryant and one more starter, especially as both Gausman and Desclefani have had post-all star break issues. Gausman says it's a mechanical issue for him. Hope so. I heard Krukow once opine that all pitchers have mechanical issues from time to time, but some pitching motions required A LOT of mechanical work to really be effective, and he used Vogelsong as the example.
Tyler Rogers has a lower ERA (1.88) than Melancon, and his combination of holds and saves exceeds Melancon (current MLB saves leader). McGee looks better, of late. If we didn't get Kimbrel I could live with it -- thought I'd still prefer to have him.
Giants are 64-38, which projects to 102 wins. 25 games ago, they were pointing to 100+ wins, and people said that's ridiculous, the Giants won't win 100+. Well, maybe. But with 60 games to go, the Giants are MLB's leading team, 1.5 games ahead of Houston, 3 games ahead of the Dodgers (against whom they're 5-2 in their last 7 games). As a team, the Giants are 4th in MLB in OPS, T2 for HRs, and 9th in runs scored. They're 1st in WHIP and 3rd in ERA and tied for 2nd in fielding percentage and overall fielding efficiency.
I really, really like this team and its future. Think of it this way...the Giants have six brobdingnagian contracts (Posey, Cueto, Gausman, Belt, Longoria, Crawford) and five of the six come off the books at the end of this season (everyone except Longoria). Right now, today, the Giants are $48 mms. under the luxury tax threshold of $210 million for 2021 and that's with the brobdingnagian salaries. Downside is that most player contracts are up after this year, so unless they're going to promote all their minor leaguers, the Giants will have to take on some free agents. But most of the deadwood contracts will be gone by next year, though the Giants may pick up the $22 mms. Posey option...but should they, for a 60% player? there are team options on Cueto, Posey, Flores and Alvarez. Longoria, La Stella and McGee are the only ones under contract next year. The Dodgers, on the other hand, have $154 million committed to 11 players next year and are $66 million over the luxury tax threshold this year, not including the addition of Scherzer or any others.