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RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Phogge - 01-24-2020
Wins by pitchers has been devalued by the analytics guys of which we have a couple of acolytes on the Cardboard. Hogwash. Vic Raschi could beat you 1-0 or 6-5. Of course this was when pitchers were real men and not treated like American Pharoah.
lex24 - lex24 - 01-24-2020
(01-24-2020, 11:50 AM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-23-2020, 10:57 PM)lex24 Wrote: Posey was both a great and a feared hitter. As evidenced by his leading the league (as a catcher, first in NL since Ernie Lombardi) in hitting and winning an MVP award in ‘12. He was never a great HR hitter. Power alley guy with the ability to go the other way. He was also generally the one guy in that lineup that opposing managers didn’t want to let beat them. Catching every inning of every playoff game, coupled with a medical staff that let him play with a hip injury far too long robbed him of his lower body. He still hit for a relatively high average in 18 with nothing but his friggin hands. He couldn’t turn on the ball. If you were watching then, you saw it. They should have shut him down around June 1 and let him get the very serious hip surgery he had around November. Might have given him a shot to actually be ready for ‘19. The guy is one tough dude. Stayed behind the plate when he could have moved to first base (and put up much better numbers. The injury in 2011 was damn near career ending. At one time he was hitting around.360 when he played first. Part of that was he usually did that against lefties. And he killed lefties at one time. I realize it’s now fashionable to denigrate him. Cause it’s always what have you done for me lately. But next to Willie Mays and Barry Bonds he’s the most important Giant in SF baseball history. He has 3 rings to prove it.
I’m betting on him (literally) to rebound next year.
Numbers from ‘10-17.
‘10. 305/357/505/862
‘11. Hurt
‘12. .336/.408/549/957
‘13. 294/371/450/821
14. 311/364/490/854
15. 318/379/470/849
16. 288/362/434/796
17. 320/400/462/861
Pretty flipping good numbers for a catcher. One might even say great. Right?
Buster should be renamed "slappy" as he is now just a slap singles hitter. Saying Buster has no power is being generous.
The only difference between Buster and your more typical slap-singles hitter is that the prototype usually has some speed. How many DPs has Buster hit into in his career? Those might be HoF numbers . . .
Don't take the above as too critical. Buster has had a good career and has been a great Giant (probably Top 25 in my lifetime). But he's just not a Hall of Famer . . . no shame in that.
And I also agree that the injury he suffered was brutal and a gratuitous shot by a 'roided out player just trying to stick in the Bigs (okay, I have no clue whether that's true, but it's my story and I'm sticking with it!). Without that injury, I have no doubt Buster's numbers would look a lot better, including his power numbers.
Slg Pct from 450 to 550 is hardly a “slap hitter”. As for double plays - 148. 313th on the all time list. Which I’m posting from Baseball Reference. Look at all those lousy hitters:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/GIDP_career.shtml
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Mick - 01-27-2020
Some new news:
1) Reds now the frontrunner have a four year deal with for Nicholas Castellano.
2) Bobby Evans interviewing for the Astros' job.
3) Giants get picks #68 and #69 in the draft, thanks to the losses of Bumgarner and Will Smith. Giants now have five of the first 87 selections in the 2020 MLB draft including #13, #49, #68, #69 and #87. And since the topic has come up, here's the percentage of selections that make the majors:
1st round: 75%, approx. Makes you appreciate the trade for Will Wilson. The Giants eat $12 mms. worth of bad contract to get a 21 year old with a 75% chance of making the bigs. Seems like a good idea to me.
2nd round: 50%, approx.
3rd round, 39%, approx.
4) Doesn't sound like the Giants are able to trade their big $/no results contracts:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/san-francisco-giants
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - cardcrimson - 01-27-2020
(01-27-2020, 11:38 AM)Mick Wrote: Some new news:
1) Reds now the frontrunner have a four year deal with for Nicholas Castellano.
2) Bobby Evans interviewing for the Astros' job.
3) Giants get picks #68 and #69 in the draft, thanks to the losses of Bumgarner and Will Smith. Giants now have five of the first 87 selections in the 2020 MLB draft including #13, #49, #68, #69 and #87. And since the topic has come up, here's the percentage of selections that make the majors:
1st round: 75%, approx. Makes you appreciate the trade for Will Wilson. The Giants eat $12 mms. worth of bad contract to get a 21 year old with a 75% chance of making the bigs. Seems like a good idea to me.
2nd round: 50%, approx.
3rd round, 39%, approx.
4) Doesn't sound like the Giants are able to trade their big $/no results contracts:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/san-francisco-giants
So that gives the Giants a good chance of getting 2.5 MLB level players in the next few years. . . .
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - BobK - 01-27-2020
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Francisco_Giants_first-round_draft_picks
I’ll hope for 1.5. Looking at this list of first rounders only
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Phogge - 01-27-2020
NOT for Bobbbbbb. Who on that list had a spot on a Stanford team other than baseball?
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Mick - 01-27-2020
(01-27-2020, 12:25 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-27-2020, 11:38 AM)Mick Wrote: Some new news:
1) Reds now the frontrunner have a four year deal with for Nicholas Castellano.
2) Bobby Evans interviewing for the Astros' job.
3) Giants get picks #68 and #69 in the draft, thanks to the losses of Bumgarner and Will Smith. Giants now have five of the first 87 selections in the 2020 MLB draft including #13, #49, #68, #69 and #87. And since the topic has come up, here's the percentage of selections that make the majors:
1st round: 75%, approx. Makes you appreciate the trade for Will Wilson. The Giants eat $12 mms. worth of bad contract to get a 21 year old with a 75% chance of making the bigs. Seems like a good idea to me.
2nd round: 50%, approx.
3rd round, 39%, approx.
4) Doesn't sound like the Giants are able to trade their big $/no results contracts:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/san-francisco-giants
So that gives the Giants a good chance of getting 2.5 MLB level players in the next few years. . . .
From this year's group, yes. And if we get just 2.0 MLB level players for each of the next four years, we'll have most of the starters we need.
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - OutsiderFan - 01-27-2020
How did this thread about HOF voting turn into what should be in the non-Stanford baseball thread?
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - cardcrimson - 01-27-2020
Yes, but I assume they won't be ready for a few years. Was there a time window on the percentages?
(01-27-2020, 01:40 PM)Mick Wrote:(01-27-2020, 12:25 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-27-2020, 11:38 AM)Mick Wrote: Some new news:
1) Reds now the frontrunner have a four year deal with for Nicholas Castellano.
2) Bobby Evans interviewing for the Astros' job.
3) Giants get picks #68 and #69 in the draft, thanks to the losses of Bumgarner and Will Smith. Giants now have five of the first 87 selections in the 2020 MLB draft including #13, #49, #68, #69 and #87. And since the topic has come up, here's the percentage of selections that make the majors:
1st round: 75%, approx. Makes you appreciate the trade for Will Wilson. The Giants eat $12 mms. worth of bad contract to get a 21 year old with a 75% chance of making the bigs. Seems like a good idea to me.
2nd round: 50%, approx.
3rd round, 39%, approx.
4) Doesn't sound like the Giants are able to trade their big $/no results contracts:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/san-francisco-giants
So that gives the Giants a good chance of getting 2.5 MLB level players in the next few years. . . .
From this year's group, yes. And if we get just 2.0 MLB level players for each of the next four years, we'll have most of the starters we need.
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Langdude - 01-29-2020
(01-27-2020, 01:25 PM)Phogge Wrote: NOT for Bobbbbbb. Who on that list had a spot on a Stanford team other than baseball?
???
-m.
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Phogge - 01-29-2020
Landis. Played football. Had Ben a highly rated QB in HS. Committed to UCLA but signed with the Giants and never arose above AAA. Was in mid twenties when he enrolled at Stanford.
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - BobK - 01-29-2020
Napa HS. Dad the CFer for the World Series Winning White Sox 1959
RE: Baseball HOF ballot - Langdude - 01-29-2020
The Interwebs tell me that he is now Mike Trout's agent so, you know, doing OK.
-m.