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RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - winflop - 02-25-2020
We didn't match Oregon's fire in the belly, and they have more talent.
Stanford is a Top 10 team, but not a Top 5 team. Oregon is a Top 5 team.
If Stanford is going to get beyond the second weekend of the tourney, they will have to play at least one near-perfect game in either the Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight to beat a Top 5 team.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - 81alum - 02-25-2020
A few follow up points.
1. ZONES. The same offense that was terrible in the 1st quarter gushed out 28 points in the fourth. That tells me that we are, in fact, capable of executing against the Oregon zone with this offense. I will be looking to watch the game again to figure out what the difference was. It was my impression that we came out tight, intimidated, and needed a little success to get our confidence. That plus all those entrance passes that became turnovers.
Keep in mind that we have TWO offenses, the Princeton and some sort of zone offense. This is the zone offense, and no it did not look very good, and it has never looked all that good. But also note that Oregon is the only team that has successfully zoned us this year. Texas, UCLA, and the tough games against Colorado were all about close player to player defenses. And Arizona and ASU are about to give us a heavy dose of the same.
2. BENCH. I have never seen Tara use the bench so little as she did in this game. Especially not this year. Not a single bench player got double digit minutes. Tara must believe that there were mismatch problems or confidence problems or something. Prechtel got 9 minutes and was almost all of our bench points--scoring 8. But she also picked up 2 fouls. I am a bit mystified as to why Prechtel does not get more playing time. I know it has to do with defense--perhaps if Prechtel played more, Hebard would have scored a lot more? I really don't know, but Prechtel seemed to help us in the stretches when we actually were scoring.
3. DRIVERS. Rather than criticize our offensive scheme--I think we need to come to grips with the fact that we have a real personnel weakness on this team that weakens any scheme we might use. I've said it before--after our injuries we now have a very limited ability to drive the ball to the rim, with Carrington and Jones and now even Brown out. Driving against a zone is always difficult, but without a viable threat we become one dimensional and easier to defend. Williams can drive, but we need someone bigger, taller, who could drive and finish with contact and generate free throws. For us that will be Jones and it used to be Carrington.
4. LEXIE. Lexie started and finished the game well, but during that disastrous stretch when we were stuck at 8 points, and then continuing until just before the half, she missed 9 shots in a row. That is the period when Oregon built its insurmountable lead.
5. ATTENDANCE. We had 6511 in attendance, the best I think we have done in YEARS. How many were there to watch Ionescu set her record? Where were all these people for some of our other great games?
Now, some quotes from Tara's press conference (she brought Lexie out.)
"Our team competed in spurts."
"Oregon is the number 1 team. It has all the weapons. I was disappointed we did not give them a better game. We did better than the last time we played them. We did better than we played them here last year. I am hopeful we will get a chance to play them again in the Pac 12 tournament."
Question: What is the challenge with Sabally. "First of all, she is not #1 on the defend list--it is guarding Ionescu on the pick and roll, and I think we did a really good job on that, and limiting Hebard to 4 points....We did not do a good enough job keeping Sabally off the glass."
"We made a good run but it was too little too late."
Tara praised our defense, particularly in the first half, but acknowledge "...but or offense, especially in the first half, the turnovers, the bad shots, we really struggle."
"We did not make shots that we needed to make, but I think we are capable of making those shots. There were some good shots that were missed. And there were some bad shots that were like....wow, where did they come from?"
"We needed to get to the free throw line more. We needed to make our free throws."
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - TheFarm07 - 02-25-2020
One of the differences between a very good, Top-10 team that we are and an elite Top-3 team that Oregon is, is the presence of players playing at an All-American caliber. The Ducks have 3 of them. We have none.
Lexie and Kiana are both very good players but they haven't rose up to the level of All-American play night-in and night-out. When we contained Hebard last night, Sabally stepped up and Ionescu was her usual self. Lexie was off for large chunks of the game, and there was no one else to step up and pick up the slack to keep us in the game.
When we made our comebacks, Oregon stopped the momentum and extended the lead again and came up with critical shots when the game was still undecided. It was the play of their key players that made that happen.
For all the discussion of our vaunted depth, as 81alum pointed out, in a very important game against elite competition, Tara decided to stick with a core set of players and limited the rotation. I am also pondering what does that say about her confidence in our bench? We may overwhelm an overmatched opponent with depth, but does she not think that Wilson, Belibi and Jump can keep up with Oregon for key stretches of the game? Our starters were struggling and not doing too much, but Tara did not feel the need to heavily substitute like some other coaches may have done.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - BobK - 02-25-2020
Tara put Moskau in when we were not scoring in the first half and Wilson.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - Baez87 - 02-25-2020
I am concerned that we might have lost another player to injuries and this does not bode well for the rest of our season. Nadia Fingall went down hard in the second half on the offensive end of the court. She got up slowly and tested her injured knee. She didn’t look happy about it. Then she struggled to get down the court to play defense. She seemed to recover enough to play the rest of the game without a noticeable limp.
After the game, when the team was waving to the fans as they left the court, Nadia was at the rear of the group as they walked past the stands where I was sitting. I could see that she was crying. I didn’t interpret this as disappointment for losing, I saw this as a possible signal of the condition of her knee. In November I saw her play in Victoria, she survived a physical pummeling there, was knocked to the floor more than once, limped back to the training room, then returned to play an inspired game. She got the MVP trophy for her efforts at the Invitational. An athlete knows his or her body. I just hope that I am reading into this situation, and we don’t see her sidelined for the Arizona games and beyond.
Nadia is quite a trooper and has played well for us. I had the privilege of sitting next to her at the end of season banquet two years ago. I was impressed by her intelligence and her desire to play the game. She was really looking forward to the next season. When she went down the following season against a USC battering (I thought it was designed to injure) and tore her ACL, I was especially sad for her. Her comeback this season has been admirable. I just hope that she is okay.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - BobK - 02-25-2020
I stay late with friends until they throw us out. Nadia looked fine with family and friends. Of course that’s not the same as playing.
I missed Brink at the game. Just saw on instragram
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - UltimateCard - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 08:23 AM)Baez87 Wrote: I am concerned that we might have lost another player to injuries and this does not bode well for the rest of our season. Nadia Fingall went down hard in the second half on the offensive end of the court. She got up slowly and tested her injured knee. She didn’t look happy about it. Then she struggled to get down the court to play defense. She seemed to recover enough to play the rest of the game without a noticeable limp.
After the game, when the team was waving to the fans as they left the court, Nadia was at the rear of the group as they walked past the stands where I was sitting. I could see that she was crying. I didn’t interpret this as disappointment for losing, I saw this as a possible signal of the condition of her knee. In November I saw her play in Victoria, she survived a physical pummeling there, was knocked to the floor more than once, limped back to the training room, then returned to play an inspired game. She got the MVP trophy for her efforts at the Invitational. An athlete knows his or her body. I just hope that I am reading into this situation, and we don’t see her sidelined for the Arizona games and beyond.
Nadia is quite a trooper and has played well for us. I had the privilege of sitting next to her at the end of season banquet two years ago. I was impressed by her intelligence and her desire to play the game. She was really looking forward to the next season. When she went down the following season against a USC battering (I thought it was designed to injure) and tore her ACL, I was especially sad for her. Her comeback this season has been admirable. I just hope that she is okay.
I saw her well after the game was over - she came back out without her brace and without a limp but with a big smile, giving (Tempie’s?) kid a hug. I had concerns, too, after the nasty spill under our basket after she got tangled up with Sabally.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - M T - 02-25-2020
Can you imagine what some of our posters would have said if they were fans of Oregon about their team's 2 losses???
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Statistics notes:
Over the last 3 quarters, the score was Stanford 58 - Oregon 56. Oregon got their last 4 points from intentional fouls, but they also were working the clock.
8 point difference in the game, in the 3rd quarter, in the number of FT made.
Stanford impacted Oregon's rebounding, esp. offensive.
Stanford impacted Oregon's Assist to FG ratio (and total assists)
Oregon impacted Stanford's 2pt game, but that was somewhat offset by a good 3pt game.
Stanford had fewer FT & FTA (less FT%) than normal, while Oregon had marginally more.
Stanford was closer to their average scoring than Oregon was.
| Stan | Stan Season | Ore | Ore Season | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2pt | 14/35 40% | 19.9/40 49.8% | 20/36 55.6% | 23.1/39.9 58% |
| 3pt | 11/29 37.9% | 8.6/23.4 35.9% | 7/20 35% | 9.3/24.1 38.4% |
| FT | 5/10 50% | 9.5/13.6 69.6% | 13/17 76% | 11.7/15.2 77% |
| OR | 12/38 31.6% | 12.9/36.3 32.4% | 8/32 25% | 12.7/32.5 39% |
| DR | 24/32 75% | 28.9/40.8 70.9% | 26/38 68.4% | 27.7/38 72.8% |
| PF | 19 (2 int) | 14.6 | 14 | 12.9 |
| A | 13/25 52% | 15/28.5 52.6% | 13/27 48.1% | 20.8/32.4 64.2% |
| TO | 12 | 13 | 13 | 11.3 |
| BLK | 2 | 5 | 1 | 2.8 |
| STL | 6 | 7.9 | 8 | 8.5 |
| PTS | 66 | 75.1 | 74 | 85.8 |
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - jonnyss - 02-25-2020
1) do we have to make our offense so obvious? set up the princeton every time doesn't seem to work so well against a team that is skilled & prepared to switch. they know exactly where our players are heading. can't we have 3 or 4 plays? telegraphing your play and daring the defense to defend it reminds me of our football team.
2) i thought we fell behind when we subbed out maya dodson. imo maya was the main reason ruthie hebard didn't go off. not that i wanted maya to play more coming back from injury. just that our post defense drops off after her and nadia. our first post sub, alyssa jerome, got four fouls in 4 minutes. fran only played one minute as tara pulled her after she threw a lazy pass that was picked and run back for a lay-up.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - M T - 02-25-2020
Just focusing on Sabally, with commentary on what happened leading to her shot or rebound.
1Q 9:22 Sabally's rebound was because Nadia ignored her rather than blocking her out.
1Q 9:13 Sabally's open 3ptr was because Lacie & Nadia both raced over to pick up an open Ionescu on the other side, leaving Sabally unguarded. (Lacie had gotten out of position by trying to pick off a pass.)
1Q 8:19 Sabally missed 7' when guarded by Lacie & doubled by Nadia.
1Q 3:09 Sabally missed 5' in lane when guarded by Nadia.
1Q 2:38 Sabally grabs & throws Jerome out of the way on an inbound play. Jerome gets called for a maybe-brush on the shooter's arm.
1Q 1:30 Sabally cherry picked on a Stanford fast break attempt. No one on Stanford recognized this, resulting in an easy layup, compounded by a foolish foul by Belibi
1Q 0:14 Sabally misses a long 3 over Nadia.
2Q 6:39 Nadia & Prechtel double Hebard in the lane. No one within 20' of Sabally at the top of the key. She makes the 3ptr.
3Q 7:15 In one-on-one defense, Nadia is on Sabally, who hands off to Ionescu. Nadia leaves Sabally to hedge toward Ionescu (who is guarded by a Hull). Sabally drifts over to the other side and Ionescu feeds her. Nadia only gets close enough to wave at her face. 3pts
3Q 6:15 Nadia again on Sabally with the ball. Ionescu passes by. Nadia apparently expects the ball to go to Ionescu and waits where she is. Sabally just curls with the ball to the middle of the lane before Dodson picks her up. The floater misses.
3Q 5:23 Nadia is replaced by Jerome. Stanford in a zone. Kiana loses Sabally when Ionescu has the ball. She passes out to Sabally on the 3pt line. Kiana can't recover in time. 3Pt.
3Q 4:16 Jerome on Sabally, out at the top of the key as Boley throws up a 3 that misses. Jerome looks like she wants to block out Sabally but she is ineffective at it. Sabally gets the OR and throws up a miss. Jerome tips the ball out but her left (not right!) upper arm catches Sabally in the nose.
3Q 3:57 Sabally gets the ball at the 3pt line and dribbles through Lexie (who seemingly is in a good position throughout). Nadia comes in to help too late. Layup.
3Q 3:26 Nadia is on Sabally and switches on a pick-and-roll by Ionescu. Nadia doesn't stay on the roller-side of Ionescu, allowing an open lane for the bounce pass to Sabally with Lacie trailing. Layup. Kiana comes over to help but touches Sabally for a foul.
3Q 2:54 Nadia is on Sabally in one-on-one defense. Sabally breaks to the 3pt line but Nadia hesitates. Sabally gets a barely contested 3pt miss. Nadia stumbles past Sabally who then has about 1/3 of the court free for her rebound. She splits two defenders for a layup.
4Q 8:18 Ionescu has the ball at the block after an inbound. Maya is on Sabally under the basket. Sabally breaks to the 3pt line and Maya is looking to guard Hebard but Nadia has her. Maya breaks late to cover Sabally who puts up a mostly uncontested 3ptr but it misses.
4Q 2:53 Stanford has only 1 big in the game. Kiana is on Sabally. Not surprisingly, Sabally gets an offensive rebound over Kiana and then puts up a short jumper for 2.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - M T - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 12:25 PM)jonnyss Wrote: 2) i thought we fell behind when we subbed out maya dodson. imo maya was the main reason ruthie hebard didn't go off. not that i wanted maya to play more coming back from injury. just that our post defense drops off after her and nadia. our first post sub, alyssa jerome, got four fouls in 4 minutes. fran only played one minute as tara pulled her after she threw a lazy pass that was picked and run back for a lay-up.
Obviously Hebard is among the nation's best with the ball down low. But she only tried 2 shots in 30 minutes of play (1 vs Maya, 1 when Maya was out). Clearly Maya did a good job, but I don't think any one player can be that good as they can only guard one side of a player, and then there are rebounds. The double team, usually from a Hull, was the double-edged sword that made this possible. IMO, Maya is a much better post defender than Nadia.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - WBB fan - 02-25-2020
(02-22-2020, 03:26 PM)81alum Wrote: Preview:
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Oregon is more like a WNBA team than a college team, as their victory over team USA showed, and at least three of them will be playing in the WNBA next year. And yet, somehow, they have lost twice this year--to teams we can certainly compete with--so they are not invulnerable. What will it take to win? I doubt it will happen, but here is my best guess about how we could pull it off:
1. Dodson plays excellent defense on Hebard, controlling her and diminishing her effectiveness without the need to double. CHECK!
2. We figure out a way to defeat their zone by getting Jump and/or the Hulls repeatedly open in the corners and they shoot treys lights-out. NOPE.
3. Lacie, Lexie, Wilson, Williams are able to tag team to defend the perimeter effectively. Maybe we unveil some new defense that Oregon won't expect. I doubt we would zone them with all that three point shooting...but who knows? Tara knows. NOPE
4. Lexie's offensive magic returns to her. CHECK!
5. Someone we least expect has a break-out offensive game. Lacie, Prechtel, Wilson. It has to be like McPhee's second half outpouring against them a couple of years back, or Carrington's performance in the tournament win against them last year--a unique and unstoppable performance that equalizes with the Oregon offense. We already know Williams will give us everything she has, but she could contribute a 30 point game and we could still lose by 50. We need multiple players to be in double digits and someone not named Williams to break 20. NOPE
Overview:
Once again it was the Oregon defense rather than the Oregon offense that flummoxed us, but even so, we outscored them by 10 in the 4th quarter to make this the closest game Oregon has played in a month. Another way of looking at it: of the five things I said we would need to do to win, we did 2 :( Oh, Ionescu set her career record 2k 1k 1k against us tonight.
Flow of the Game:
From the start it was easy to tell that the same Oregon defense that bothered us so much in Eugene was back to bother us again. Their zone slowed us down enough that we seldom had the time we wanted to run several set plays. In the first half we tried to defeat it by repeated attempting back door cuts, lops, and darting passes to the interior--and nearly all of them resulted in turnovers. That left shooting from the perimeter and that was usually covered too, and our shooting in general was very poor. We shot 18% in the first quarter, and while we made a couple of treys, we were 1/11 from inside. Despite all of that , we led after 6 minutes 8-7, but then went the rest of the quarter and 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter before we scored another point. Meanwhile, Oregon kept scoring and by that point led 20-8.
Oregon went on an 11-4 run to lead 31-12 and we were coming dangerously close to collapsing. But Williams, Dodson, and Lexie answered with a 10-1 run of our own and I have never felt so relieved to be "only" down 10 at the half. We improved our shooting in the 2nd quarter to 46%, which was a of immense proportions improvement over the pathetic 1st quarter. However, Oregon improved its 2nd quarter shooting to a ridiculous 63%.
We lost the 3rd quarter 24-16, which, as it turns out, was the exact margin by which we lost the overall game. At this point I was beginning to figure out the chess match. Tara was successfully using a succession of bigs to control Hebard. We have in the past had games where we virtually shut her down, and tonight was close. She wound up making only one basket in the game. That is phenomenal. Ionescu was also somewhat controlled. She wound up with 21 but was well below that for most of the game, and she missed 10 shots. But by the third quarter it was clear that we had no one who could guard Satou Sabally. As we closed into the paint to double Oregon players, they passed out to a wide open Sabally who was 4/7 from three point range. The more I watch her the more I was in awe. I think she is a much better talent than Hebard or even Ionescu and see why she is going pro. Tall, strong, quick, long, accurate, tough, I am happy we will never see her again in Maples.
Down by a similar margin in Eugene, we folded up and suffered a 30 point defeat. But tonight we did fight back splendidly in the fourth quarter. Lexie emphatically broke out of her slump and scored 11 in that quarter alone, and had help from Dodson, Williams, and Fingall to put out a 28 point effort, closing from 18 points down to 8 point down. If we could have pulled off one more quarter like that we would have won. We didn't. We lost.
Performances:
We do deserve some credit for dramatically improving how we played Oregon. We outrebounded them, including more O-boards. Maybe that was because Oregon never seemed to miss. Assists were even and turnovers virtually even--we had 10 in the first half trying to force the ball inside unsuccessfully, but only 3 in the second half, so that was helpful improvement. Unfortunately some of those turnover led to Oregon having 11 fast break points to our 0. I was very impressed with how quickly Oregon got back on defense to prevent us from getting anything in transition--again that is easier off of made baskets, of course. They had 34 points in the paint to our 24.
Also credit our defense for almost shutting out Hebard and keeping Boley under reasonable limits. Only Ionescu and Sabbally were in double digits, and Ionescu's 21 is just the cost of doing business with them. Sabally was the killer.
The most encouraging news of the night was that Lexie had a spectacular night after being in a slump. It is really good to see her getting back to her old self. She equaled Sabally with 27 points, including a spectacular 6/12 from three point land. She also led the team in assists with 5, had 5 rebounds 2 steals and a block.
Oregon's defense keyed on Williams--as much as a zone can key on anyone, and she was held down to 14 points on 6/16 shooting.
No one else scored in double digits. Fingall collected 12 rebounds and scored 7, Lacie spend almost the whole game hounding Ionescu but scored only 2 points, and Dodson scored just 6.
Most unusual to me was that the five starters all got of immense proportions amounts of minutes--all well over 30 except Dodson with 29. Prechtel seemed effective offensively to me, but she got only 8 minutes and the rest of the bench got less. Tara chose to leave the same 5 on the court for almost the whole game, with cameos at odd times. I guess she wanted to put the most experienced players forward today, leaving the freshmen mostly out of it.
Conclusion:
I am astonished at some of the negative comments made below in this thread. I'm disappointed with this loss, but if someone had come to be before the season started and told me when we had Oregon at home, we would be down 2 starters and Oregon would have lost nobody significant, I would have thought this game would have been a complete wipe-out. Instead, I see some good coming from this. Lexie is back in form, and we were far more competitive against everyone not named Sabally.
I totally agree with you re the negative comments. I, too, was disappointed, but feel very positively at the way that Stanford fought back, didn't crumble as they did in Eugene. My reaction is that it wasn't so much that Stanford lost, but that Oregon won. And yes, it was Sabally who was the key.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - M T - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 06:01 AM)81alum Wrote: 4. LEXIE. Lexie started and finished the game well, but during that disastrous stretch when we were stuck at 8 points, and then continuing until just before the half, she missed 9 shots in a row. That is the period when Oregon built its insurmountable lead.
It was actually 6 (not 9) misses in a row by Lexie (per the box score PxP), all in the 1st quarter. (Sequence: (1Q) made 2, miss 6, (2Q)made 2, miss 2 in the first half, agreeing with the 1st half box indicating she was of 4 of 12).
What hurt as much were the 6 fouls in a row charged to Stanford, starting at up 8-7 to down 8-20 (we only had 1 TO during that stretch, but 3 in a row right after it).
By the way, Belibi wasn't pulled directly after the lazy pass. She was pulled after the foul on the breakaway some 53 seconds later.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - WBB fan - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 01:10 AM)Baez87 Wrote: Some games are "won" when your team scores fewer point than the opposition. This was one of those games.
In many ways this game was a set-up. Oregon had beaten Stanford by more that thirty points a few weeks earlier. At the beginning of the season, Oregon had beaten the US National Team that had been selected to represent the US in the coming Olympics. Tonight's game was being televised nationally by ESPN, not to highlight Stanford, but to feature a talent-ladened team led by the national player of the year, Sabina Ionescu. Ionescu had just flown up from LA where she had given a eulogy for Koby Bryant in the largest memorial ever given to a basketball player. Stephen Curry was court-side at Maples to see the Oregon star for the second time in three days. No one expected Stanford to win.
Things didn’t go Stanford's way much of the game. Oregon dominated at times while Stanford played uncharacteristically tight and out of sorts. Stanford fell roughly twenty points behind. Many players would have hung their heads at this point and given up.
But this team is not about quit! Tara adjusted the game strategy, the players dug deeply into their basketball souls and elevated their game. They scrambled, they fought, they gave up their bodies, they played hardnose defense, and hit difficult shots. In the final quarter, they outscored Oregon 28-18. This team refused to give up.
When the final buzzer sounded, Stanford came up eight points shy of their opponent's score. But they weren’t a beaten team. They walked off the court in gratitude, smiling and waving to their fans.
Some games are won when your team scores fewer points than the opponent. This was one of those games.
Well said. Thank you. I totally agree, and this thread desperately needed more of this perspective.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - 76lsjumb - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 02:10 PM)WBB fan Wrote:(02-25-2020, 01:10 AM)Baez87 Wrote: Some games are "won" when your team scores fewer point than the opposition. This was one of those games.
In many ways this game was a set-up. Oregon had beaten Stanford by more that thirty points a few weeks earlier. At the beginning of the season, Oregon had beaten the US National Team that had been selected to represent the US in the coming Olympics. Tonight's game was being televised nationally by ESPN, not to highlight Stanford, but to feature a talent-ladened team led by the national player of the year, Sabina Ionescu. Ionescu had just flown up from LA where she had given a eulogy for Koby Bryant in the largest memorial ever given to a basketball player. Stephen Curry was court-side at Maples to see the Oregon star for the second time in three days. No one expected Stanford to win.
Things didn’t go Stanford's way much of the game. Oregon dominated at times while Stanford played uncharacteristically tight and out of sorts. Stanford fell roughly twenty points behind. Many players would have hung their heads at this point and given up.
But this team is not about quit! Tara adjusted the game strategy, the players dug deeply into their basketball souls and elevated their game. They scrambled, they fought, they gave up their bodies, they played hardnose defense, and hit difficult shots. In the final quarter, they outscored Oregon 28-18. This team refused to give up.
When the final buzzer sounded, Stanford came up eight points shy of their opponent's score. But they weren’t a beaten team. They walked off the court in gratitude, smiling and waving to their fans.
Some games are won when your team scores fewer points than the opponent. This was one of those games.
Well said. Thank you. I totally agree, and this thread desperately needed more of this perspective.
I just hope the team doesn't have this perspective.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - 81alum - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 02:09 PM)M T Wrote:Hah! I bet that is not the last time I make that mistake. I was using a boxscore that in the play by play referred to "L. Hull." Lexie missed 6 in a row to end the first quarter and then went out of the game, and Lacie then missed her first three.(02-25-2020, 06:01 AM)81alum Wrote: 4. LEXIE. Lexie started and finished the game well, but during that disastrous stretch when we were stuck at 8 points, and then continuing until just before the half, she missed 9 shots in a row. That is the period when Oregon built its insurmountable lead.
It was actually 6 (not 9) misses in a row by Lexie (per the box score PxP), all in the 1st quarter. (Sequence: (1Q) made 2, miss 6, (2Q)made 2, miss 2 in the first half, agreeing with the 1st half box indicating she was of 4 of 12).
So taken as a unit, the twin Hulls did miss 9 in a row :P
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - 81alum - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 01:21 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Question: Ionescu's 9th rebound, the record setter, looked to be an airball, or maybe a partial block, that never drew iron or backboard. So that's still a rebound?I was curious about this too, but the ball does not have to hit the rim or backboard to be a rebound, it just needs to be a missed shot that is not blocked:
Quote:1. A rebound occurs in basketball when a player gains possession of the basketball after a missed field goal, three-point field goal or free throw attempt. The basketball usually hits off the rim or the backboard before the player gains possession of the ball and is credited with the rebound. However, a player will not be given credit for a rebound after gaining possession of the ball after a blocked shot. There are only two different kinds of rebounds in basketball and they’re called offensive rebounds and defensive rebounds.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - WBB fan - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 05:44 PM)81alum Wrote:(02-25-2020, 02:09 PM)M T Wrote:Hah! I bet that is not the last time I make that mistake. I was using a boxscore that in the play by play referred to "L. Hull." Lexie missed 6 in a row to end the first quarter and then went out of the game, and Lacie then missed her first three.(02-25-2020, 06:01 AM)81alum Wrote: 4. LEXIE. Lexie started and finished the game well, but during that disastrous stretch when we were stuck at 8 points, and then continuing until just before the half, she missed 9 shots in a row. That is the period when Oregon built its insurmountable lead.
It was actually 6 (not 9) misses in a row by Lexie (per the box score PxP), all in the 1st quarter. (Sequence: (1Q) made 2, miss 6, (2Q)made 2, miss 2 in the first half, agreeing with the 1st half box indicating she was of 4 of 12).
So taken as a unit, the twin Hulls did miss 9 in a row :P
". . . taken as a unit, the twin Hulls . . . " I love the phrasing. I've beginning to mentally refer to them as "the catamaran," -- which is a fantastic and stable craft that has twin hulls. The combo of them is terrific, each with her own skills and both with great energy.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - Baez87 - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 03:00 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:(02-25-2020, 02:10 PM)WBB fan Wrote:(02-25-2020, 01:10 AM)Baez87 Wrote: Some games are "won" when your team scores fewer point than the opposition. This was one of those games.
In many ways this game was a set-up. Oregon had beaten Stanford by more that thirty points a few weeks earlier. At the beginning of the season, Oregon had beaten the US National Team that had been selected to represent the US in the coming Olympics. Tonight's game was being televised nationally by ESPN, not to highlight Stanford, but to feature a talent-ladened team led by the national player of the year, Sabina Ionescu. Ionescu had just flown up from LA where she had given a eulogy for Koby Bryant in the largest memorial ever given to a basketball player. Stephen Curry was court-side at Maples to see the Oregon star for the second time in three days. No one expected Stanford to win.
Things didn’t go Stanford's way much of the game. Oregon dominated at times while Stanford played uncharacteristically tight and out of sorts. Stanford fell roughly twenty points behind. Many players would have hung their heads at this point and given up.
But this team is not about quit! Tara adjusted the game strategy, the players dug deeply into their basketball souls and elevated their game. They scrambled, they fought, they gave up their bodies, they played hardnose defense, and hit difficult shots. In the final quarter, they outscored Oregon 28-18. This team refused to give up.
When the final buzzer sounded, Stanford came up eight points shy of their opponent's score. But they weren’t a beaten team. They walked off the court in gratitude, smiling and waving to their fans.
Some games are won when your team scores fewer points than the opponent. This was one of those games.
Well said. Thank you. I totally agree, and this thread desperately needed more of this perspective.
I just hope the team doesn't have this perspective.
Just to clarify...
I was not advocating that "our team should play badly and be at effect of the circumstances surrounding the game (Ionescu, ESPN, Curry in the House, having lost earlier to OSU by 30 points, etc), and then play uncharacteristically tight and out of sorts." Nor was I advocating that "falling behind by 20pts and losing by eight points" should necessarily be a reason to celebrate.
My perspective is that when a team can regain control of a game that has started badly, ignore what might be an insurmountable lead, play as hard as they can against a worthy opponent, and persevere; they deserve the fan support and respect. Only one team can win in the competitive sense, yet but both teams can potentially win in terms of higher values—determination, fair play, sportsmanship, and cooperation.
The Stanford Women’s Basketball Team are young, have dealt with injuries to starters, worked hard, and sacrifice their bodies daily. And they don’t quit! Perseverance, learning, and teamwork are cornerstones of athletics. For me, in the largest meaning of the word, our players are winners, and this game was a "win."
This perspective is not a path to rationalizing defeat, it is a path to building character.
RE: WBB: Oregon 74 Stanford 66 - jonnyss - 02-25-2020
(02-25-2020, 02:09 PM)M T Wrote: [quote="81alum" pid='270668' dateline='1582635711']
By the way, Belibi wasn't pulled directly after the lazy pass. She was pulled after the foul on the breakaway some 53 seconds later.
technically true though you can't replace a player until the next stoppage in play. but if you mean that by the time she was pulled after just over 1 minute of playing time, she had made 2 errors, not one, i won't argue. i love her play, but it was not her night.