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RE: OT Niners - Phogge - 01-27-2021

OK, any package proposals for Stafford assuming the Watson deal is too costly?

#1 pick this year, McGlinchey, Mostert or Wilson.

RE: OT Niners - 82lsju - 01-27-2021

or the Herschel Walker trade

Quote:To Dallas Cowboys         
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional on cutting Solomon)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional on cutting Howard)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992 (conditional on cutting Holt)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (condition met by trading away Nelson)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional on cutting Stewart)

To Minnesota Vikings
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas's 3rd round pick in 1990
San Diego's 5th round pick in 1990
Dallas's 10th round pick in 1990
Dallas's 3rd round pick in 1991

To San Diego Chargers
RB Darrin Nelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 01-27-2021

And Dallas converted those draft picks into Emmit Smith (they traded their second round pick to Pittsburgh to trade up to get Smith in the first round).

BC

RE: OT Niners - 82lsju - 01-27-2021

(01-27-2021, 04:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  And Dallas converted those draft picks into Emmit Smith (they traded their second round pick to Pittsburgh to trade up to get Smith in the first round).

BC

here's a list of all the players they got with the draft picks, other notable players gotten with those picks were Russell Maryland and Darren Woodson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade#Aftermath_and_legacy

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 01-27-2021

This  was kind of funny





End result of the trade at the end of the 1995 season

Dallas Cowboys Minnesota Vikings
Three Super Bowl wins  Zero Super Bowl appearances
RB Emmitt Smith
CB Clayton Holmes
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
WR Jake Reed
DT Russell Maryland

BC

RE: OT Niners - 82lsju - 01-27-2021

(01-27-2021, 09:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  This  was kind of funny





End result of the trade at the end of the 1995 season

Dallas Cowboys Minnesota Vikings
Three Super Bowl wins   Zero Super Bowl appearances
RB Emmitt Smith
CB Clayton Holmes
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
WR Jake Reed
DT Russell Maryland

BC

shouldn't Russell Maryland be in the Cowboys column?

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 01-27-2021

Yes, and Jake REed should be in Minnesota's; sorry, I transposed the two when attempting to copy the table over.

BC

RE: OT Niners - 82lsju - 01-28-2021

(01-27-2021, 11:11 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  Yes, and Jake REed should be in Minnesota's; sorry, I transposed the two when attempting to copy the table over.

BC

Dallas Cowboys
Three Super Bowl wins Minnesota Vikings
Zero Super Bowl appearances

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 01-28-2021

Among other things, Emmitt Smiyh won:
8× Pro Bowl (1990–1995, 1998, 1999)
4× First-team All-Pro (1992–1995)
2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
NFL Most Valuable Player (1993)
NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (1990)
4× NFL rushing yards leader (1991–1993, 1995)
3x NFL rushing touchdowns leader (1992, 1994-1995)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team


Darren Woodson:
5× Pro Bowl (1994–1998)
4× First-team All-Pro (1994–1996, 1998)

Kevin Smith:
All-Pro (1996)

Russell Maryland:
Pro Bowl (1993)

On the other hand Jake Reed, while a productive receiver for Minnesota (he had four 1,000-yard seasons in his career), never made the Pro Bowl.

BC

RE: OT Niners - 82lsju - 01-28-2021

and the centerpiece of the Herschel Walker trade played for the Vikings for 2 and 2/3rds seasons, in total he ran for 2,264 yards before moving to the Eagles 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WalkHe00.htm

lex24 - lex24 - 01-28-2021

Then, of course, there is Dikta trading his entire draft to move up so he could take Ricky Williams. That went up in a puff of smoke.....

RE: OT Niners - 82lsju - 01-28-2021

(01-27-2021, 09:31 AM)BobK Wrote:  A trade like the Les Richter trade?  Like the Ollie Matson trade    :)

yes those trades were in a different time but I'm still amazed at how many of the players chose not to go to their new team

Les Richter trade

of the 11 players six appear to not have played

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/richter-traded-for-11-players/#:~:text=On%20June%2012%2C%201952%2C%20the,league%20history%20to%20that%20point.

Ollie Matson trade did not have no shows but many of the players had short post-trade careers

https://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2010/03/1959-rams-trade-9-players-to-cardinals.html

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 01-30-2021

Scratch off Stafford. I didn't quite see this one coming; the Lions trading Stafford to the Rams for Jared Goff, two future first round picks and a thrid round pick.

BC

RE: OT Niners - Phogge - 01-30-2021

So Goff disappears in the miasma that is Detroit and the Niners will keep JimmyG and their picks.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-31-2021

Wilson, Murray, Stafford .  Niners just fell further behind.

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 02-01-2021

Here's one mock draft with the Niners picking a CB with their first pick.

BC

RE: OT Niners - Phogge - 02-01-2021

A couple of mocks have the Niners picking Trey Lance. And perhaps Walker Little should have played in 2020 since I can't find him in the first round anywhere. I'm assuming that he has to impress at the combine to have a chance.

RE: OT Niners - BostonCard - 02-01-2021

I think Little will get dinged a little bit because of risk.  He has high potential in the NFL, but he was hurt in some of his Stanford career and we've never seen him post-injury.  Hopefully he took advantage to rehab and train.

BC