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RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - BostonCard - 07-30-2021
I think the more likely scenario is that your pro-college team oversigns, but instead of running players off or asking them to greyshirt, teams will tell the less highly recruited players that in lieu of a scholarship, the car dealership down the street will have a NIL deal for the player that exceeds the cost of tuition if they walk onto the team.
There is still the issue that recruited walk-ons are counters if they play in a game, so I suspect a lot of these players will get one year to prove they belong and be told that they won't be able to enter a game because the team is up to 85, and that they are therefore off entering the portal.
Note that while many of the deals described will be hard to prevent, pay for play (and thus NIL for play) is still not legal, so the NCAA could still sanction schools that try to skirt the rules by taking advantage of the NIL loophole. Of course, this will eventually be challenged in court... and who knows what the courts will rule.
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - GK3 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 05:50 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(07-30-2021, 05:38 PM)DC 86 Wrote: It's possible but extremely unlikely. Is a teenager going to pay $100,000 to $250,000 just to make their team marginally stronger?
The teenager might not do it but a booster certainly could....and would. Pay a player for NIL as long as they use the money for tuition, etc. and pay them a nice stipend to do so.
How is this whole thing going to over in terms of the team? A bunch of offensive lineman busting there rear ends to make their high dollar QB or
RB look good might suddenly decide to stop blocking if they don't a cut of the big bucks. At the end of a season can they shop around and look for more money elsewhere?
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - DC 86 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 06:18 PM)chrisk Wrote: You don’t think the Rose Bowl would be loyal to the PAC-12 and/or Big 10?
I do not. They lobbied to be part of the playoff rotation (and agreed to change from their traditional New Year's Day date when necessary) and if they had been offered the chance to host the championship game every year they would have jumped at the opportunity. All thing being equal they would favor tradition, but if things are drastically unequal I expect that they would adapt.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - CowboyIndian - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 06:30 PM)DC 86 Wrote: They lobbied to be part of the playoff rotation (and agreed to change from their traditional New Year's Day date when necessary) and if they had been offered the chance to host the championship game every year they would have jumped at the opportunity..
Never heard this before. Source?
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - BostonCard - 07-30-2021
No problem for the offensive linemen, they do well in ads for barbecue joints.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-the-hot-endorsement-deal-for-3-tons-of-college-football-players-barbecue-11627567755?mod=hp_featst_pos5
(possibly behind a paywall)
Quote:When it became legal on July 1 to make endorsement deals with college athletes, Mr. Wright swooped in to make Arkansas’s gigantic offensive linemen, plus two of its quarterbacks, spokesmen for his restaurant. So far, the players are mostly paid in merchandise and modest gift cards for food. Mr. Wright gets the benefit of their promotion on social media.
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - DC 86 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 07:05 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(07-30-2021, 06:30 PM)DC 86 Wrote: They lobbied to be part of the playoff rotation (and agreed to change from their traditional New Year's Day date when necessary) and if they had been offered the chance to host the championship game every year they would have jumped at the opportunity..
Never heard this before. Source?
Do you mean the second part or the first? the second part is my own speculation (sorry if that wasn't clear) but the first part is well documented. Going back to the BCS era the Rose Bowl made sure not to be left out of the rotation. Pre-playoff the Rose Bowl was paid $30 million per year for TV rights; as part of the playoff the payout increased to $80 million per year. One can assume that the delta in the next contract between a Pac-12/Big-X game and a playoff game will be even more massive. My statement about being the sole host of the final game is purely hypothetical but given the financial implications I find it hard to believe that loyalty to the two conferences would prevail. Beyond the financial issues if the Rose Bowl isn't part of the playoff it slides into irrelevance, and if it hosted the championship every season it would truly cement itself as the "granddaddy of them all". You are free to disagree, I am not a cynic but I am realist.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - troyc - 07-31-2021
(07-30-2021, 10:01 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Has anyone heard or read directly from Stanford brass who the university feels about these matters?
I talked with Bernard Muir on this week's TreeCast. Asked him if there are any potential trends resulting from NIL & realignment that may cause the athletic department to reassess things. His answer, the entire interview, and the show may be of interest.
Troy C
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - DC 86 - 08-02-2021
(07-29-2021, 07:09 PM)82lsju Wrote:(07-29-2021, 06:32 PM)M T Wrote:Quote:Ewers’ parents, Curtis and Kristen, want Quinn to stay in school, but the state’s UIL informed the family that if he made money off his name, image, and likeness, it would violate the state’s legislation on NIL. Ewers wouldn’t be able to sign with any companies until he is done playing sports in high school.
Hmm... I like "stay in school" meaning to stay in high school. It suggests they know what will happen when he goes NIL and plays football for some university.
I expect he can make money off his name, image, likeness, but then can't play football or other sports in high school under the state legislation. Heck, he might even go from BOMC to being ostracized if he quits the high school team and stayed in high school, earning NIL.
I thought it was interesting that there was no mention as to whether he would graduate from high school, or whether a failure to graduate would impact his enrollment at whatever University that wants him.
Edit: At the end, it does say he needs only 1 online English class to graduate. Elsewhere I read that he gets good grades.
Did the courts rule that the NCAA can no longer require passing classes as part of eligibility for playing sports? Or did they find that any impairment of their right to get paid would be illegal? I might have missed the severing of the link of education to playing for a educational institution.
so he can "go Pro" at tOSU now or in Jan 2022, not sure how much waiting three months costs him (well unless he has a terrible injury), and if he enrolls now he'll burn a year of eligibility (probably a redshirt year this season) vs enrolling in Jan 2022. And if he has to complete the on-line English course he may end up reporting later than the other incoming Frosh (I have no idea how on-line course work, maybe he can essentially test out of it in one day).....of course tOSU has two four star and one five star QB on their roster now so if Ewers does who up this fall how many of transfer....
and how long before NIL trickles down to high school football, especially in Texas where some schools draw tens of thousands of people to each game......
Ewers announced this morning that he is going to enroll at Ohio State a year early.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - 82lsju - 08-03-2021
Universities allowing NIL deals to include their trademarks (for a small fee....)
UNC
https://goheels.com/news/2021/7/20/general-unc-and-the-brandr-launch-group-licensing-program-for-current-student-athletes.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0dN50jkTJygJebPMYBp5g-rD6gHxICvNz3rlqN6z7LKl-7Ba1ZdGq1PBc
Ohio State
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/new-licensing-program-will-allow-s-as-to-profit-off-osu-trademarks/?fbclid=IwAR3LB-z6U1uH2z9cenor_IHNCMvOY-XinEhimYXbYDL02-fOrTMC7hwTTZ0
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - BostonCard - 08-12-2021
Well, it is now the functional end of scholarship limits:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1425880053683048458?s=20[/tweet]
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - 82lsju - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 01:28 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well, it is now the functional end of scholarship limits:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1425880053683048458?s=20[/tweet]
BC
some more details
Quote:BYU Athletics and current corporate partner Built Brands, LLC today announced an enhanced agreement to support the Cougar football program, while also pioneering separate innovative multi-year NIL agreements with individual members of the football team.
Built’s individual multi-year NIL agreements with BYU players include compensation to all members of the team, including compensation to all walk-on players in the amount comparable to the costs of tuition for the academic year.
...
All players entering into the NIL agreement will wear Built branding on their practice helmets and participate in experiential events for Built. In addition, walk-on players will provide additional social media and experience promotions for Built as part of their agreements.
In all, 123 football players will enter into agreements directly with Built. Of those, BYU will have 36 walk-on players in the program this year. The team formally celebrated the agreements in a team meeting Thursday morning.
https://www.si.com/college/byu/news/built-brands-to-pay-tuition-for-all-byu-football-walk-ons
BYU tuition/year
LDS $6,120
non-LDS $12,240
https://finserve.byu.edu/students-parents/tuition-fees-deadlines#richtext-2021-2022-tuiti
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - CowboyIndian - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 01:28 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well, it is now the functional end of scholarship limits:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1425880053683048458?s=20[/tweet]
BC
Yup! Just posted same elsewhere. Talk about unintended consequences...
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - BostonCard - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 01:59 PM)82lsju Wrote: BYU tuition/year
LDS $6,120
non-LDS $12,240
https://finserve.byu.edu/students-parents/tuition-fees-deadlines#richtext-2021-2022-tuiti
Interesting; I didn't realize that BYU could legally charge differently by religion.
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - Goose - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 05:37 PM)BostonCard Wrote:Certainly they can. Almost all (actually all I know about) Catholic grade schools and high schools do as well. The theory is that your contributions to the Church as a member make up the difference, so it is "fair".(08-12-2021, 01:59 PM)82lsju Wrote: BYU tuition/year
LDS $6,120
non-LDS $12,240
https://finserve.byu.edu/students-parents/tuition-fees-deadlines#richtext-2021-2022-tuiti
Interesting; I didn't realize that BYU could legally charge differently by religion.
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - CardinalSagehen - 08-12-2021
Did anyone notice their team goals on the wall? At BYU, they're content with being bowl-eligible, protecting their house, beating Utah (who are their other rivals?), and making the Top 25. There really is nothing more out there for them, except Built Bars. They've got plenty of those.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - BostonCard - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 06:13 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: Did anyone notice their team goals on the wall? At BYU, they're content with being bowl-eligible, protecting their house, beating Utah (who are their other rivals?), and making the Top 25. There really is nothing more out there for them, except Built Bars. They've got plenty of those.
The three rivals are Utah, Utah St., and Boise St.
It looks like there might be some more goals behind the Built bars.
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - DenverCard - 08-12-2021
Re BostonCard's observation that the new NIL rules put an end to scholarship limits, is there anything to stop a school from sponsoring it's own "walk-ons"? Wearing the jersey represents his endorsement of the school. Sure, it could get expensive for the college, but if it's a way to get a few extra defensive lineman in a particularly good recruiting year for that position, it would be a smart investment.
Seriously, though, the way that BYU circumvented scholarship limits stands to have a much greater impact on basketball than football, as in basketball one or two extra recruits can have a tremendous impact. Stands to redefine the term, "preferred walk-on."
Add me to the chorus of those who believe that as the NIL changes play out in ever-more blatant ways, Stanford will decide the situation is simply too corrupt to abide.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - Goose - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 08:52 PM)DenverCard Wrote: Re BostonCard's observation that the new NIL rules put an end to scholarship limits, is there anything to stop a school from sponsoring it's own "walk-ons"? Wearing the jersey represents his endorsement of the school. Sure, it could get expensive for the college, but if it's a way to get a few extra defensive lineman in a particularly good recruiting year for that position, it would be a smart investment.I think all of college athletics will decide that the present situation is not viable. I would not use the word "corrupt". The present situation is the product of law. BYU and others are pushing the boundaries to see what, if anything, is now inadmissible. Once this process is complete, or even before, the colleges need to seek legislative relief. If they don't, college athletics is all over IMHO.
Seriously, though, the way that BYU circumvented scholarship limits stands to have a much greater impact on basketball than football, as in basketball one or two extra recruits can have a tremendous impact. Stands to redefine the term, "preferred walk-on."
Add me to the chorus of those who believe that as the NIL changes play out in ever-more blatant ways, Stanford will decide the situation is simply too corrupt to abide.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - CardinalSagehen - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 06:31 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(08-12-2021, 06:13 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: Did anyone notice their team goals on the wall? At BYU, they're content with being bowl-eligible, protecting their house, beating Utah (who are their other rivals?), and making the Top 25. There really is nothing more out there for them, except Built Bars. They've got plenty of those.
The three rivals are Utah, Utah St., and Boise St.
It looks like there might be some more goals behind the Built bars.
BC
Ah, got it, thanks. Now that I'm on a big screen, I think I can barely make out the next goal on the list, hidden behind those enormous stacks of protein bars. It seems to say... "Increase sales of Built bars by 300%."
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - 2006alum - 08-13-2021
(08-12-2021, 08:58 PM)Goose Wrote: I think all of college athletics will decide that the present situation is not viable. I would not use the word "corrupt". The present situation is the product of law. BYU and others are pushing the boundaries to see what, if anything, is now inadmissible. Once this process is complete, or even before, the colleges need to seek legislative relief. If they don't, college athletics is all over IMHO.
+1. I've always thought the advent of lawful NIL rights would be the end of amateur college athletics. Didn't quite expect how much that would turbo charge things, but certainly my interest is waning by the day the more the blatant money grabs (UT and the Sooners to the SEC, BYU's effectively limitless scholarship limit, etc.) make clear this is just a moneyed arms race built on a foundation lacking any principles whatsoever. As much as everyone spat on the NCAA, it was a good run while we had it.