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RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 11-06-2022
I don't know how reliable Jim Bowden is, but, he has the Giants as a fit with 8 of the Top 15 and 5 of the Top 7 available Free Agents.
https://theathletic.com/3752188/2022/11/04/mlb-free-agents-contract-team-predictions/
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-06-2022
Among a bunch of Giant's minor leaguers the following qualify as Rule 5 Minor.
Corry, Jake Wong, Spencer Bivins, Chris Wright, Keaton Winn, Tristen Beck, Matos, Bishop, Pomares, Luciano, Toribio, Armani Smith, Will Wilson, Sean Roby, Logan Wyatt.
As our old friend the Remote One declared many times.... jus sayin.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-06-2022
(11-06-2022, 12:39 PM)Phogge Wrote: Among a bunch of Giant's minor leaguers the following qualify as Rule 5 Minor.
Corry, Jake Wong, Spencer Bivins, Chris Wright, Keaton Winn, Tristen Beck, Matos, Bishop, Pomares, Luciano, Toribio, Armani Smith, Will Wilson, Sean Roby, Logan Wyatt.
As our old friend the Remote One declared many times.... jus sayin.
Matos and Luciano to the 40 man. Take your chance with the rest……
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-06-2022
I'd add Pomares and Wright to your two.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 11-07-2022
This is where we are with MLB Free Agency now. Hype videos to spread around the internet that get fans clamoring for their teams to sign players by tagging them.
Trea Turner remains the most valuable Free Agent the Giants can sign for the the coming rule changes.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1589731538689982464[/tweet]
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-07-2022
I don’t like his smirk. A closet pussy.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-07-2022
(11-07-2022, 03:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: This is where we are with MLB Free Agency now. Hype videos to spread around the internet that get fans clamoring for their teams to sign players by tagging them.
Trea Turner remains the most valuable Free Agent the Giants can sign for the the coming rule changes.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1589731538689982464[/tweet]
Although you present your comment as a statement of fact, it is nothing more than one person’s opinion. Heck, if things were as cut and dried as you indicate, there would be no reason to pay baseball executives the kind of money they earn.
Heck, my opinion is that Correa would be the most valuable free agent the Giants could sign. But I acknowledge that I possess no inside information to support the opinion. It is nothing more than the thoughts of a fan of the team.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - cardcrimson - 11-07-2022
(11-07-2022, 04:05 PM)Giants Wrote: Although you present your comment as a statement of fact, it is nothing more than one person’s opinion.
For a moment, thought you might have been referring to Phogge's statement of fact. Hard to argue with that one. . . .
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 11-08-2022
The Top 10 reasons Trea Turner is the best Free Agent the Giants can sign:
1. He hits for average
2. He hits for power
3. He would instantly be the best athlete the Giants have
4. The defensive rule changes put a premium on speed and range that he has
5. The bigger bases will make stealing bases a bigger part of the game which he does really well
6. You take one of the best players your rival has away from them
7. No concerning injury history and body type that maintains
8. His teams win and he has lots of post season experience
9. He makes baseball entertaining for fans
10. Signing him sends a message that you want and will pay for the best baseball players available no matter what Aaron Judge does
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-08-2022
(11-07-2022, 04:05 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-07-2022, 03:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: This is where we are with MLB Free Agency now. Hype videos to spread around the internet that get fans clamoring for their teams to sign players by tagging them.
Trea Turner remains the most valuable Free Agent the Giants can sign for the the coming rule changes.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1589731538689982464[/tweet]
Although you present your comment as a statement of fact, it is nothing more than one person’s opinion. Heck, if things were as cut and dried as you indicate, there would be no reason to pay baseball executives the kind of money they earn.
Heck, my opinion is that Correa would be the most valuable free agent the Giants could sign. But I acknowledge that I possess no inside information to support the opinion. It is nothing more than the thoughts of a fan of the team.
Correa, Nimmo, Taillon head my shopping list. Turner is not the defensive player Correa is. Having said that if they signed Turner instead, I’m still happy. Either works.
(11-08-2022, 05:28 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The Top 10 reasons Trea Turner is the best Free Agent the Giants can sign:
1. He hits for average
2. He hits for power
3. He would instantly be the best athlete the Giants have
4. The defensive rule changes put a premium on speed and range that he has
5. The bigger bases will make stealing bases a bigger part of the game which he does really well
6. You take one of the best players your rival has away from them
7. No concerning injury history and body type that maintains
8. His teams win and he has lots of post season experience
9. He makes baseball entertaining for fans
10. Signing him sends a message that you want and will pay for the best baseball players available no matter what Aaron Judge does
All good points. Correa pushes many of the same buttons. Defensively he’s better. Be thrilled with either.
(11-06-2022, 02:47 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-06-2022, 12:39 PM)Phogge Wrote: Among a bunch of Giant's minor leaguers the following qualify as Rule 5 Minor.
Corry, Jake Wong, Spencer Bivins, Chris Wright, Keaton Winn, Tristen Beck, Matos, Bishop, Pomares, Luciano, Toribio, Armani Smith, Will Wilson, Sean Roby, Logan Wyatt.
As our old friend the Remote One declared many times.... jus sayin.
Matos and Luciano to the 40 man. Take your chance with the rest……
Luciano is, of course, a lock. I’ve read Matos may not be protected as it’s quite unlikely a player that had a down year in A ball would be drafted. Personally I’m not gambling with a top prospect.
Wilson is a possibility. I do think he’d get selected. Giants paid a lot of money for him. If he’s not protected, that’s a solid miss.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-09-2022
Chris Bassit declares. A potentially fantastic pickup cheaper than DeGrom.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-10-2022
Not a big WAR fan. But here’s a question for you - NO CHEATING!
Correa
Turner
Bogaerts
Swanson
Rank them by last years WAR. (My source is Baseball Reference). Don’t look!
(11-09-2022, 10:32 AM)Phogge Wrote: Chris Bassit declares. A potentially fantastic pickup cheaper than DeGrom.
Bassitt or Tallion. Both would be nice pickups. Bassitt is 33. So maybe 2 years with an option. Right in Zaidis wheelhouse…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-10-2022
Wins above rep.. horseshit.
WAR is walking point in the jungle, scared out of your wits.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 07:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wins above rep.. horseshit.
WAR is walking point in the jungle, scared out of your wits.
I didn’t post this for a discussion of the pros and cons of Wins Above Replacement. Just as a (hopefully) fun exercise.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 08:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-10-2022, 07:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wins above rep.. horseshit.
WAR is walking point in the jungle, scared out of your wits.
I didn’t post this for a discussion of the pros and cons of Wins Above Replacement. Just as a (hopefully) fun exercise.
Strictly a guess since I don’t follow WAR as a stat.
Turner
Swanson
Correa
Bogaerts
By the way, forget about Turner as a possible SF signee. Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-10-2022
I'd say:
Swanson
Turner
Humphrey Bogart
Correa
Hope that news about Turner is true.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote: Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
Where did Baggarly say this? I just read his article today reporting on Giants Free Agent talk from Las Vegas and saw no such language.
He did say in this article that Trea Turner has reportedly said he wants to be close to home on the East Coast, but nothing definitive as "there is a near zero chance of signing him."
Baggarly also mentions "CA taxes" and "weird San Francisco politics" in his article, as reasons that might dissuade some Free Agents from wanting to sign with the Giants. Playing close to home is a believable desire, but the other stuff seems like straw men to me, because players don't usually make their homes in the cities they play. Aubrey Huff never would have signed with the Giants if he was really concerned about the S.F political culture. He signed with Giants because they paid him the most money, which is the reason most Free Agents sign where they do.
On a related note, the only way the Giants sign Judge is if he takes less money to play for the Giants because he wants to be closer to home. There is no way the Yankees will be outbid. They have to be able to say "we offered more, but he wanted to be closer to home." That's the only way NY will not KILL the Yankees if Judge leaves. If the Giants offer more than the Yankees, the Yankees will never hear the end of it, so the Giants kind of have a built in home town discount of sorts with Judge. That discount won't be much, Judge will make obscene money no matter what, but the biggest contract offered will be from the Yankees.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 11:14 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote: Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
Where did Baggarly say this? I just read his article today reporting on Giants Free Agent talk from Las Vegas and saw no such language.
He did say in this article that Trea Turner has reportedly said he wants to be close to home on the East Coast, but nothing definitive as "there is a near zero chance of signing him."
Baggarly also mentions "CA taxes" and "weird San Francisco politics" in his article, as reasons that might dissuade some Free Agents from wanting to sign with the Giants. Playing close to home is a believable desire, but the other stuff seems like straw men to me, because players don't usually make their homes in the cities they play. Aubrey Huff never would have signed with the Giants if he was really concerned about the S.F political culture. He signed with Giants because they paid him the most money, which is the reason most Free Agents sign where they do.
On a related note, the only way the Giants sign Judge is if he takes less money to play for the Giants because he wants to be closer to home. There is no way the Yankees will be outbid. They have to be able to say "we offered more, but he wanted to be closer to home." That's the only way NY will not KILL the Yankees if Judge leaves. If the Giants offer more than the Yankees, the Yankees will never hear the end of it, so the Giants kind of have a built in home town discount of sorts with Judge. That discount won't be much, Judge will make obscene money no matter what, but the biggest contract offered will be from the Yankees.
He responded to a question in the comments section. Here is the exact quote, “Privately, I hear that there is zero reason for them to believe Turner would sign with them.” Take a look.
CA taxes are definitely an issue. I have read numerous articles addressing that issue as it relates to highly paid athletes. Having said that, most California-based teams offer additional monies to players to cover that concern.
Also, I think the political climate in the Bay Area may be an issue for some players. In this era of “if you disagree with me, you must be a horrible person”, who knows what drives players to make their decisions.
Money is still the clear number #1 but don’t discount other factors as being weighty.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-10-2022
The Giants declined Longoria’s option and, surprisingly, extended a qualifying offer to Pederson.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/14-players-receive-qualifying-offers.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/giants-to-decline-evan-longorias-option.html
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 11-10-2022
Bring back Joc. Two excellent moves