WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57

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RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - chimera - 01-02-2023

My main takeaway from the game is that we shot poorly (Brink for sure and even Jump, who was I think under 30% for her threes.), turned the ball over too much, and missed too many FTs and still won it easily, and that after a terrible start. That was not our A game. Defense was generally good for much of the game. We have now seen "good" Jones for several games in a row, so she has clearly gotten over whatever was holding her back early in the season. Belibi was excellent aside from her FTs. So glad she is ok.

UA is a very experienced team, but if you can withstand the defensive pressure, they don't really have a great plan B. They don't have the inside game to really compete with us unless we don't play well. I know it wasn't her day as far as shooting or turnovers, but Brink is very obviously a much better player this season, much improved overall. She will finish better and shoot better next time we play them. I'd be stunned if she didn't. It should be a much harder game at UA later this season. UA doesn't shoot threes, which makes them easier to deal with than some teams that are maybe not as good as they are but who can shoot well.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - BostonCard - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 02:49 PM)TheWildJacko Wrote: Oh I know, I just disagree with the premise that Jones is our primary PG. Although, I could be less snarky about that—my apologies.

Ah, gotcha. For the new year, I’m trying that (being less snarky). I’ll let you know how it goes.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - Softball Fan - 01-02-2023

I only watched a small portion of the game. In the latter part of the second quarter Arizona put an aggressive trap play on Lepolo near the sideline. She dribbled out of it like it was nothing. Lepolo is my favorite player. Stanford will need her ball handling ability to be on the court in close games against tough defensive teams.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - WBB fan - 01-02-2023

I came away not happy with the FT, but overall, very happy with the wine. Rebound margin, 20, pretty darn good, though I did expect it to be pretty high. But for me, the real highlight of the game was Fran's play. She was so aggressive, so assured, great rebounds that were easy ones. I hope we see a lot more of that from her. Besides which, there's just something about Fran that makes me feel good -- definitely one of my favorites on the team. And oh yes, of course, Haley was so darn good today, playing assured after picking up two fouls in the first one or two minutes of the game.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - 81alum - 01-02-2023

The game turned on Tara's defensive adjustments.

Arizona's most effective, consistent player on offense is Jade Loville, the transfer from Boise State/Arizona State who has given us fits in previous encounters. She is their only really good three point threat and also can slash--a three level scorer. Arizona does play very aggressive defense, and provided they don't get called for 11 more fouls than their opponent (they did) they believe that Loville can put them over the top in a low scoring game.

Lepolo started on Loville. I thought Lepolo defended her as perfectly as a player can--she stayed with her reasonably well and got a hand in her face when Loville was shooting. However, Loville sank a couple of shots right in Lepolo's face. When the star player is hitting shots even when well defended, something has to change.

Tara next sent Nivar after Loville. At the chalktalk, Kate pointedly said that she cannot comment on player health--which is a different tune than other chalk talks where coaches have made such comments. Emma-Nnopu was the logical player to defend Loville, but she did not play in the game, meaning she was not cleared to play. So Nivar was up next. Loville went around Nivar, and like Lepolo, Loville sank one right in Nivar's face, with a hand up.

Third player to defend Loville was Iriafen. And it mostly worked! I have heard Tara and the assistants say this before when they used to use Chiney on the perimeter to defend shorter, speedier guards--sometimes a longer player can really bother a shooter. For example, Lexie and Lacie were long defenders even if they were not exactly speedy. So Tara puts a post on Loville! Iriafen was tall enough to really bother Loville's shot.

Fourth player on Loville was Belibi, and this worked very well. Between Iriafen and Belibi, Loville wound up going 1/9 the rest of the way after hitting 3 shots in the first quarter. We found a way to neutralize her, and given Arizona's otherwise pedestrian offense, the game was won.

My biggest takeaway:

We can play defense! This was by far our best quality defensive game of the season. ASU scored 12 more points on us than the more vaunted Arizona team. As much as Arizona is famed for its defense, Stanford can play defense too, and it showed.

In terms of individual performances, it was a somewhat ugly game but Jones and Belibi do stand out. Jones with 5 baskets and 8 free throws, to go with a whopping 16 rebounds and 5 assists--hard to beat that, except the 7 turnovers. Arizona was clearly keying on getting turnovers from her, and they did.

Belibi was an offensive rebounding monster, with 5 O-board in only 17 minutes. Remember, she is not as tall as either of Arizona's forwards, and it looked like she was on a pogo stick going up to wrest those away, and often put them back.

Brink and Jump were not as efficient as usual, but they did enough. 7 players got double digit minutes, but 3 were 35+ so we still do not have as deep a rotation as might be expected.

Overall, a convincing win against an excellent team. Best of all, all those early season worries-- 1) do we have a point guard, 2) will Brink ever control her fouls, and 3) why is Jones in a slump --have all be satisfactorily answered.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - BostonCard - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 03:49 PM)WBB fan Wrote: I came away not happy with the FT, but overall, very happy with the wine.

Always happy with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - 81alum - 01-02-2023

I can predict the Arizona gripes--that they called called for 11 more fouls than we were. But, frankly, they deserved them. Their defensive aggression depends upon them bodying up on our players a lot--and while they were usually disciplined enough not to foul with their hands, these officials did decide to call them for the complete-body fouls.

I do think this was one of the least-well officiated games I have seen, but it did not tip the balance either way. The terribleness seemed to cut both ways.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - TheWildJacko - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 03:20 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(01-02-2023, 02:49 PM)TheWildJacko Wrote: Oh I know, I just disagree with the premise that Jones is our primary PG. Although, I could be less snarky about that—my apologies.

Ah, gotcha. For the new year, I’m trying that (being less snarky). I’ll let you know how it goes.

BC

Yeah, good call there. I will try to work on it myself. I am under the weather today and didn’t check myself before posting. I just think Lepolo has done enough to be considered our primary PG at this point—but it’s possible to disagree without being snarky! Sorry MV, I will try to do better next time.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - 81alum - 01-02-2023

Highlights:
No. 15 Arizona vs. No. 2 Stanford | Game Highlights | Women's College Basketball | 2022-23 Season - YouTube
Presser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMFrmTvtg4

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - M T - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 03:49 PM)WBB fan Wrote: I came away not happy with the FT, but overall, very happy with the wine.

There it is! Can you send my missing "e" back home?

Or, maybe I'm wrong and you literally meant what you said.

I suspect Brink's WNBA stock has gone up quite a bit in the last two games as she's shown her most obvious weakness is curable.

This game should resolve anyone's concern about Stanford versus a good defense. Stanford got up to the 20-point lead, and then Tara starts substituting to get valuable minutes for the future stars. Stanford held off the #15 team as with a stiff-arm from there.

Tara showed two things today:
1) She was really concerned with Arizona, since she did not substitute for Jones with two early fouls, or even with three fouls, or even immediately with 4 fouls.
2) She has tremendous confidence in Jones to manage her play so she doesn't foul.

I missed the first quarter so I'll have to look at that later. But I didn't notice any really poor play by Stanford.

Wow, I wouldn't have guessed Lepolo would have the highest +/- for the game. (Lepolo +23, Jones +20, Brink +13, Iriafen +13, Jump +12; Belibi -1)

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - stopandpop - 01-02-2023

Positives: Great defense; Haley playing like the All-American she is; dominant around the basket; Belibi played like she did as a freshman- strong, out-jumping and scoring over Arizona's 'bigs'.

Brink will come back strong, but she was still a defensive force, 4 blocks and multiple times when she altered AZ's shots near the basket.

Remember last season when the entire team was in a free throw slump? I hope today was just a bump in the road.

Biggest concern (and several of you have mentioned it), is our turnovers. If you isolate just area - PASSING, too many times we are telegraphing our passes, our turnover rate will decrease significantly.

Can't do that on the road and expect to win against quality opponents.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - stopandpop - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 04:31 PM)stopandpop Wrote: Positives: Great defense; Haley playing like the All-American she is; dominant around the basket; Belibi played like she did as a freshman- strong, out-jumping and scoring over Arizona's 'bigs'.

Brink will come back strong, but she was still a defensive force, 4 blocks and multiple times when she altered AZ's shots near the basket.

Remember last season when the entire team was in a free throw slump? I hope today was just a bump in the road.

Biggest concern (and several of you have mentioned it), is our turnovers. If you isolate just area - PASSING, too many times we are telegraphing our passes, our turnover rate will decrease significantly.

Can't do that on the road and expect to win against quality opponents.

Almost forgot. Brink came into this game with 989 points. She got her 1,000th. point at the foul line in the 3rd. quarter.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - old spanish trail - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 04:17 PM)81alum Wrote: I can predict the Arizona gripes--that they called called for 11 more fouls than we were. But, frankly, they deserved them. Their defensive aggression depends upon them bodying up on our players a lot--and while they were usually disciplined enough not to foul with their hands, these officials did decide to call them for the complete-body fouls.

I do think this was one of the least-well officiated games I have seen, but it did not tip the balance either way. The terribleness seemed to cut both ways.

Probably a loner here, but I thought we had the benefit re calls in the second half. That being said, we are a significantly better team than Arizona. Btw, I noticed on pregame that a "big" transferred from Ariz to WSU and scored 22 pts in last game. I don't think I'd ever heard of her.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - TheWildJacko - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 04:24 PM)M T Wrote: I missed the first quarter so I'll have to look at that later. But I didn't notice any really poor play by Stanford.

Well, the first 3 min. 45 seconds were, to put it mildly, not great:

http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/index.html?id=433308

2 badpass turnovers, 2 lostball turnovers, 1 offensive foul, and 0 points.

After that, we turn up the D, Hannah hits a 3, and Cam gets an and-1, and we’re back in the game by the time the 5 minute mark rolls around.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - WBB fan - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 04:24 PM)M T Wrote:
(01-02-2023, 03:49 PM)WBB fan Wrote: I came away not happy with the FT, but overall, very happy with the wine.
There it is! Can you send my missing "e" back home?

The e is all yours, tho I do like wine as well as wins

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - BobK - 01-02-2023

Vonleh transferred from Arizona to Colorado

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - freddot5 - 01-02-2023

Agree with previous comments. Heard that Cameron was somewhat under the weather. Hannah after the game was limping significantly and had a large icepak on her right shoulder. She was involved if I recall in some rough interactions during the game. Will have to look closely when I watch the replay. Not our best offensive showing but against a very physical defense we did just fine and performed excellent defense without fouling too much until late in the game. Need to focus better on FT.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - BostonCard - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 03:08 PM)chimera Wrote: Defense was generally good for much of the game.

Arizona was averaging 81.2 ppg coming into the match (18th in the country) so we held them to 24 points below their scoring average. Our team has given up 57 ppg this year, so we held Arizona to our average.

BTW, Arizona's defense has given up an average of 59 ppg, so we scored 14 points above their average opponent.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - old spanish trail - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 05:38 PM)BobK Wrote: Vonleh transferred from Arizona to Colorado

Thanks, Bob.

RE: WBB: Stanford 73 -- #15 Arizona 57 - OCcardinal - 01-02-2023

(01-02-2023, 04:24 PM)M T Wrote: I suspect Brink's WNBA stock has gone up quite a bit in the last two games as she's shown her most obvious weakness is curable.

Per Herhoopstats.com Cam has now dropped to the 6th-most foul prone player on the team..

Personal fouls per 40 minutes 2022 Season to date:
Kiki Iriafen 5.38
Francesca Belibi 4.82
Agnes Emma-Nnopu 4.48
Elena Bosgana 4.07
Indya Nivar 3.96
Cameron Brink 3.91