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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 02-04-2023
Niners will need new contracts for (or need to sign as free agents) Bosa, McLaughlin, Tashaun Gipson, Charles Omenihu, Samson Ebukam, Emmanuel Mosely, Azeez Al-Shaair, Hassan Ridgeway. Could probably keep Maurice Hurst inexpensively. Definitely keep Jordan Willis. Keep long snapper Taybor. And definitely keep C Jake Brendel, in my mind the most underrated 49er. Keep Tarvarius Moore.
Jimmie Ward is probably gone, but he'd be great to keep. Garoppolo, gone to be a starter and a mid-year injury somewhere. Not sure if they'll keep Robbie Gould, but I hope they do. Daniel Brunskill might be too expensive, particularly with Poe, Zakelj and McKivitz. Don't think they can keep Kerry Hyder. Get rid of TE's Tyler Kroft, who missed the block that got Purdy injured and Ross Dwelley. Find some fifth-rounder who can do what they do.
Goes without saying, but Josh Johnson needs to go. Same w/Jason Verett, who, talented as he is, can't keep healthy.
And just tickling the back of my head: I think Trey Lance starts the season. I think Purdy's injury is worse than advertised.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 02-04-2023
Niners top FA priorities, IMO:
1. McGlinchey - if a bidding war doesn't develop for him
2. Jake Brendel - most underrated Niners player, IMO
3. Jimmie Ward - the guy is just nails and can play Safety and Nickel (though he wants to play Safety)
Spotrac projects Emmanuel Moseley's market value at $16M/yr. Deommodore Lenoir has been getting better and better and has no history of missing games due to injury. I'd let Moseley walk and sign Jimmie Ward because he's more versatile and a great leader.
As for paying QBs, I would just not do it unless I have a transcendent talent at the position, which by definition is very rare. When you consider 3/4 teams in the conference championship games were playing QBs on rookie deals, and that Patrick Mahomes who is an otherworldly and talent with a $40M cap hit was the other, it makes zero sense to pay a QB top dollar and expect them to carry a depleted roster. Look no further than the Buffalo Bills GM explaining the Bills losing to the Bengals because they have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase on rookie deals, than to see how NFL teams are starting to understand the significant value of QBs on rookie deals.
I feel exceptionally confident saying Jalen Hurts is not going to lead the Eagles to Super Bowls after he is being paid $40M+ per year and he loses his star-studded Offensive Line. He's a very capable QB, but he's not going to carry a team by himself, IMO.
NFL teams have to sacrifice too much supporting talent to field championship teams when they decide to pay QBs so much. Only a very select few QBs can carry a less talented roster to a championship. Dan Prescott will have the #2 cap hit in the NFL in 2023. Anyone think Dallas will be going further next year, when they can't afford as much surrounding talent as they could in 2022?
I'm waiting for the first NFL team to decide they will only pay QBs on rookie deals, and have the balls to trade them before they hit free agency if they have put up big numbers to impress the league. Such teams would invest in the offensive and defensive lines, DBs, and WRs, instead of QBs. This is effectively what the Eagles have done with Jalen Hurts. They won't be able to do this if they pay him $40M-$50M per year.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 02-04-2023
(01-22-2023, 06:48 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Mahomes will not be able to walk today and though staying off it for 7 days will allow swelling to subside, the ankle will not be healed and as soon as he starts running around, he will be limping again, unable to protect himself, unable to throw the ball as accurately as he must to win in the next two rounds.
Trainer or miracle worker... you decide:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/patrick-mahomes-ankle-super-bowl-julie-11675371252?st=dvh3kzmzbdo83hj&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 02-22-2023
Purdy’s surgery delayed due to swelling. Not good news.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 09:06 AM)lex24 Wrote: Purdy’s surgery delayed due to swelling. Not good news.Though the report claimed the delay wouldn't impact his return. Yeah, right.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 02-22-2023
(02-04-2023, 01:14 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Niners top FA priorities, IMO:
1. McGlinchey - if a bidding war doesn't develop for him
2. Jake Brendel - most underrated Niners player, IMO
3. Jimmie Ward - the guy is just nails and can play Safety and Nickel (though he wants to play Safety)
Spotrac projects Emmanuel Moseley's market value at $16M/yr. Deommodore Lenoir has been getting better and better and has no history of missing games due to injury. I'd let Moseley walk and sign Jimmie Ward because he's more versatile and a great leader.
As for paying QBs, I would just not do it unless I have a transcendent talent at the position, which by definition is very rare. When you consider 3/4 teams in the conference championship games were playing QBs on rookie deals, and that Patrick Mahomes who is an otherworldly and talent with a $40M cap hit was the other, it makes zero sense to pay a QB top dollar and expect them to carry a depleted roster. Look no further than the Buffalo Bills GM explaining the Bills losing to the Bengals because they have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase on rookie deals, than to see how NFL teams are starting to understand the significant value of QBs on rookie deals.
I feel exceptionally confident saying Jalen Hurts is not going to lead the Eagles to Super Bowls after he is being paid $40M+ per year and he loses his star-studded Offensive Line. He's a very capable QB, but he's not going to carry a team by himself, IMO.
NFL teams have to sacrifice too much supporting talent to field championship teams when they decide to pay QBs so much. Only a very select few QBs can carry a less talented roster to a championship. Dan Prescott will have the #2 cap hit in the NFL in 2023. Anyone think Dallas will be going further next year, when they can't afford as much surrounding talent as they could in 2022?
I'm waiting for the first NFL team to decide they will only pay QBs on rookie deals, and have the balls to trade them before they hit free agency if they have put up big numbers to impress the league. Such teams would invest in the offensive and defensive lines, DBs, and WRs, instead of QBs. This is effectively what the Eagles have done with Jalen Hurts. They won't be able to do this if they pay him $40M-$50M per year.
Niners probably won’t sign McGlinchey. Jimmie Ward is as good as gone. As for rookie contract QBs pretty sure league figured out the value. Trick is making the right choice.
(02-22-2023, 09:10 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(02-22-2023, 09:06 AM)lex24 Wrote: Purdy’s surgery delayed due to swelling. Not good news.Though the report claimed the delay wouldn't impact his return. Yeah, right.
Good news is Lance will be ready for OTAs. He has work to do. But he has the greater upside. By far.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 02-22-2023
If it isn't now, it will soon be time for a 2003 Niners thread.
lex, from where does your confidence about Niners free agent decisions come? You may be right, but I don't see why anyone could be confident in anything at this point.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 02-22-2023
OF you seem to be confident to talk about the team 20 years ago LOL
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 11:52 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If it isn't now, it will soon be time for a 2003 Niners thread.
lex, from where does your confidence about Niners free agent decisions come? You may be right, but I don't see why anyone could be confident in anything at this point.
My only “confident” statement pertained to Jimmie Ward. I base it on comments he’s made relative to his desire to play safety (I don’t know this but perhaps safeties make more than slot corners) and various articles indicating a high probability that he’s gone.
As for McGlinchey, I read he helped himself quite a bit with his play down the stretch. Improved pass blocking. I think the 49ers would love to keep him. But the articles I’ve read suggest the price will be too high.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 12:25 PM)BobK Wrote: OF you seem to be confident to talk about the team 20 years ago LOL
I predict Dennis Erickson will be a terrible coach and Terry Donahue will be an even worse GM. . . .
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 11:52 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If it isn't now, it will soon be time for a 2003 Niners thread.
lex, from where does your confidence about Niners free agent decisions come? You may be right, but I don't see why anyone could be confident in anything at this point.
Wish we had Coach Mariucci back. I don't like this new coach Erickson. At least we have Garcia. I'm thinking Barlow might get 1,000 yards rushing...
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 02:24 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-22-2023, 11:52 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If it isn't now, it will soon be time for a 2003 Niners thread.
lex, from where does your confidence about Niners free agent decisions come? You may be right, but I don't see why anyone could be confident in anything at this point.
Wish we had Coach Mariucci back. I don't like this new coach Erickson. At least we have Garcia. I'm thinking Barlow might get 1,000 yards rushing...
Glad we drafted Kwame, and Ken Dorsey was a nice pick up, too.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 02-22-2023
Ken Dorsey Miramonte HS. I googled him
I had no idea he was the Buffalo Bills OC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 04:12 PM)BobK Wrote: Ken Dorsey Miramonte HS. I googled himI had forgotten he was once a local guy. . . .
I had no idea he was the Buffalo Bills OC