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RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 08-24-2024
(08-24-2024, 10:11 AM)Leftcoast Wrote: Anyone understand why Bart isn't the #1 catcher in Pittsburgh? Do the pitchers just love Grandal?
No idea. He has the best OPS on the team, .861 (he does play DH from time to time).
Here's the lines for the catchers (games played):
Bart (62), .277/.353/.508/.861
Delay (7), .200/.333/.400/.733
Grandal (57), .207/.253/.356/.609
Davis (29), .153/.267/.235/.502
Koch (3), .000/.125/.000/.125
Grandal is better than Bart at framing and blocking. Bart's better at throwing out base stealers.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - cardcrimson - 08-24-2024
Geez guys, debating Pittsburghs catchers rather than celebrating a much needed, bounce back win?!? 21 and 10 should be enough from here on out. With our starting pitching, doable. . . .
Then again, we've gone 5 and 5 with the same starters over the last 10. . . .
RE: SF Giants 2024 - cardcrimson - 08-25-2024
Robbie Ray pulls a hammie. Giants blow another lead. Give up 21 walks, 4 HBP, and 8 stolen bases in a three game series. Thanks Farhan.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 08-26-2024
(08-24-2024, 05:03 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Geez guys, debating Pittsburghs catchers rather than celebrating a much needed, bounce back win?!? 21 and 10 should be enough from here on out. With our starting pitching, doable. . . .
Then again, we've gone 5 and 5 with the same starters over the last 10. . . .
I think of Bart's loss and the decision to use Casali, Murphy, Sabol, Reetz, and Knapp as emblematic of Farhan's decision making. And while we're on the subject of stupid Giants decisions, three of Pittsburgh's top four hitters (Reynolds, Bart, McCutchen) were formerly Giants. Bart and Reynolds were high draft picks. If Joey Bart had enough ABs, he'd be 12th in MLB in OPS at .885. We currently have two hitters at .885 or higher; Grant McCray (.898) and Tyler Fitzgerald (.921). Hope we don't trade them away.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 08-26-2024
(08-26-2024, 06:37 AM)Mick Wrote:(08-24-2024, 05:03 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Geez guys, debating Pittsburghs catchers rather than celebrating a much needed, bounce back win?!? 21 and 10 should be enough from here on out. With our starting pitching, doable. . . .
Then again, we've gone 5 and 5 with the same starters over the last 10. . . .
I think of Bart's loss and the decision to use Casali, Murphy, Sabol, Reetz, and Knapp as emblematic of Farhan's decision making. And while we're on the subject of stupid Giants decisions, three of Pittsburgh's top four hitters (Reynolds, Bart, McCutchen) were formerly Giants. Bart and Reynolds were high draft picks. If Joey Bart had enough ABs, he'd be 12th in MLB in OPS at .885. We currently have two hitters at .885 or higher; Grant McCray (.898) and Tyler Fitzgerald (.921). Hope we don't trade them away.
Trading Bart was the right move for both him and the Giants. Had he stayed with SF he would have languished behind Bailey and never received an opportunity to see the field regularly. Heck, even in Pittsburgh, he is still no better than the #2 at this point. However, he might eventually get a shot at being the #1, something that never would have happened in San Francisco.
Note: Bart is back on the IL and the Pirates have recalled Henry Davis, a former #1 overall draft choice.
Also, suggesting that Bart would be among the OPS league leaders if he had enough AB’s assumes that he could maintain the results he has produced via a limited number of appearances to a season long performance. The odds of that happening are extremely unlikely given his track record since his rookie year.
Quite frankly, the same goes for Fitzgerald and McCray - it is a major stretch to suggest that either player would be able to maintain that level for an entire year at this point in their careers.
There is a reason for requiring a minimum number of PA’s to qualify for being listed among the best players - sustained results, something Bart has failed to produce to date in his career.
I am not a fan of Zaidi but this was one move that was made for all the right reasons - giving a young guy who was blocked by a better player at the only position he could play a chance to start someday elsewhere.
Lastly, (unrelated to Bart, specifically), why is it that fans only comment on trades that don’t work out and never those that do?
Zaidi has a pretty good track record of dealing player for player. Where he has failed miserably is in free agency. Overall, his decisions in that arena have been lousy.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 08-26-2024
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Trading Bart was the right move for both him and the Giants. Had he stayed with SF he would have languished behind Bailey and never received an opportunity to see the field regularly. Heck, even in Pittsburgh, he is still no better than the #2 at this point. However, he might eventually get a shot at being the #1, something that never would have happened in San Francisco.
Note: Bart is back on the IL and the Pirates have recalled Henry Davis, a former #1 overall draft choice.
Beyond Bart's first four years, I believe he's a pretty well-established 2nd string catcher. I don't think the Giants "owe" him a shot at the starting role, although, given Bailey's now well-established tendency to break down and perform poorly on offense, well...okay. I still think Bart (comp. is $770k) would have been a better choice as #2 over Murphy ($4 mms and a terrible defensive catcher), Casali ($1 mms), and the MLM's Reetz, Knapp or Sabol.
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Also, suggesting that Bart would be among the OPS league leaders if he had enough AB’s assumes that he could maintain the results he has produced via a limited number of appearances to a season long performance. The odds of that happening are extremely unlikely given his track record since his rookie year.
Quite frankly, the same goes for Fitzgerald and McCray - it is a major stretch to suggest that either player would be able to maintain that level for an entire year at this point in their careers.
I'm not suggesting that any of the three could maintain that level for any specific period of time. I'm merely comparing their results to full-timers. Bart's had 219 plate appearances and Fitzpatrick has had 236, though...it's not like they've had 30 PA's.
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Lastly, (unrelated to Bart, specifically), why is it that fans only comment on trades that don’t work out and never those that do?Same reason my wife doesn't give me attaboys when I fix a broken curtain rod or fencepost or take out the garbage. It's expected. I sure hear it about the failures, though.
Also...I think there's been more failures than successes. Giants' first round picks ranking last in collective WAR over the past 10 years, for example.
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Zaidi has a pretty good track record of dealing player for player. Where he has failed miserably is in free agency. Overall, his decisions in that arena have been lousy.
Look at his overall won-loss track record, particularly his track record without Kapler. Extremely poor. His players' (FA, deals or draft choices) haven't measured up on pitching, hitting or fielding.
He gets a pass for the first season after Bochy's last three disastrous years and Evans' disastrous player moves. He had the same record as two playoff teams in 2020 and 2021 was exceptional. Last three years, not good.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 08-26-2024
(08-26-2024, 12:44 PM)Mick Wrote:(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Trading Bart was the right move for both him and the Giants. Had he stayed with SF he would have languished behind Bailey and never received an opportunity to see the field regularly. Heck, even in Pittsburgh, he is still no better than the #2 at this point. However, he might eventually get a shot at being the #1, something that never would have happened in San Francisco.
Note: Bart is back on the IL and the Pirates have recalled Henry Davis, a former #1 overall draft choice.
Beyond Bart's first four years, I believe he's a pretty well-established 2nd string catcher. I don't think the Giants "owe" him a shot at the starting role, although, given Bailey's now well-established tendency to break down and perform poorly on offense, well...okay. I still think Bart (comp. is $770k) would have been a better choice as #2 over Murphy ($4 mms and a terrible defensive catcher), Casali ($1 mms), and the MLM's Reetz, Knapp or Sabol.
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Also, suggesting that Bart would be among the OPS league leaders if he had enough AB’s assumes that he could maintain the results he has produced via a limited number of appearances to a season long performance. The odds of that happening are extremely unlikely given his track record since his rookie year.
Quite frankly, the same goes for Fitzgerald and McCray - it is a major stretch to suggest that either player would be able to maintain that level for an entire year at this point in their careers.
I'm not suggesting that any of the three could maintain that level for any specific period of time. I'm merely comparing their results to full-timers. Bart's had 219 plate appearances and Fitzpatrick has had 236, though...it's not like they've had 30 PA's.
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Lastly, (unrelated to Bart, specifically), why is it that fans only comment on trades that don’t work out and never those that do?Same reason my wife doesn't give me attaboys when I fix a broken curtain rod or fencepost or take out the garbage. It's expected. I sure hear it about the failures, though.
Also...I think there's been more failures than successes. Giants' first round picks ranking last in collective WAR over the past 10 years, for example.
(08-26-2024, 11:45 AM)Giants Wrote: Zaidi has a pretty good track record of dealing player for player. Where he has failed miserably is in free agency. Overall, his decisions in that arena have been lousy.
Look at his overall won-loss track record, particularly his track record without Kapler. Extremely poor. His players' (FA, deals or draft choices) haven't measured up on pitching, hitting or fielding.
He gets a pass for the first season after Bochy's last three disastrous years and Evans' disastrous player moves. He had the same record as two playoff teams in 2020 and 2021 was exceptional. Last three years, not good.
Oooofta! First round draft picks last in collective WAR over last 10 years??? That's very bad!
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 08-26-2024
Zaidi has been responsible for SF’s draft since 2019 (6 years). It‘s unfair to hold him accountable for the classes prior to that.
Given the length of time it takes a professional baseball player to mature from draft pick to the major leagues, I think we should only be reviewing the classes of 2019, 2020 and 2021 to determine the success or failure of the Zaidi’s tenure (as it pertains to talent identification).
Top five picks:
2019:
1. Hunter Bishop. Time is definitely not on the side of Bishop. His ability to stay healthy has been a significant hindrance re: his road to the majors.
2. Logan Wyatt. I doubt we will ever see him in The Show.
3. Grant McCray. I don’t see him as a regular. However, I do think he will be a guy who can be upon as a reserve member of the OF group.
4. Tyler Fitzgerald. The Giants starting SS for years to come.
5. Garrett Frechette. I admit to being completely unfamiliar with him.
2020:
1. Patrick Bailey. A sterling selection. A Gold Glove-level receiver. Obviously, he has to figure out a way to maintain his stamina through the second half of the season to become a sustained threat at the plate.
2. Casey Schmitt. The start of his career portends a future as a utility infielder.
2. Jimmy Glowenke. There’s little to no chance we will ever see him play at Oracle.
2. Nick Swinney. Another, little to no chance guy.
3. Kyle Harrison. A future star. If he stays healthy, he will have a long, successful career.
4. R.J. Dabovich. See Glowenke.
5. Ryan Murphy. See Swinney.
2021.
1. Will Bednar. Unfortunately, the start of his professional has been derailed by injuries. Whether he ever makes it to SF is “to be determined” (I would suggest it is unlikely a this point).
2. Matt Milkulski - The Fordham Flash has hit a brick wall in his development. I don’t hold out much hope for him.
3. Mason Black - He has certainly had a poor year both at Sacramento and during his time in SF. Next year will answer the question. Does he have a big league future?
4. Eric Silva - He was traded to Detroit in the deal that brought back Mark Canha.
5. Rohan Handa - I am not familiar with this draft choice.
Since 2021, the #1 guy to keep an eye on is 19 year-old Bryce Eldridge. He is a 2023 first round selection who has already bumped up to High A where he is teammates with SF’s 2024 #1 selection, James Tibbs from Florida State.
lex24 - lex24 - 08-27-2024
(08-26-2024, 10:39 PM)Giants Wrote: Zaidi has been responsible for SF’s draft since 2019 (6 years). It‘s unfair to hold him accountable for the classes prior to that.
Given the length of time it takes a professional baseball player to mature from draft pick to the major leagues, I think we should only be reviewing the classes of 2019, 2020 and 2021 to determine the success or failure of the Zaidi’s tenure (as it pertains to talent identification).
Top five picks:
2019:
1. Hunter Bishop. Time is definitely not on the side of Bishop. His ability to stay healthy has been a significant hindrance re: his road to the majors.
2. Logan Wyatt. I doubt we will ever see him in The Show.
3. Grant McCray. I don’t see him as a regular. However, I do think he will be a guy who can be upon as a reserve member of the OF group.
4. Tyler Fitzgerald. The Giants starting SS for years to come.
5. Garrett Frechette. I admit to being completely unfamiliar with him.
2020:
1. Patrick Bailey. A sterling selection. A Gold Glove-level receiver. Obviously, he has to figure out a way to maintain his stamina through the second half of the season to become a sustained threat at the plate.
2. Casey Schmitt. The start of his career portends a future as a utility infielder.
2. Jimmy Glowenke. There’s little to no chance we will ever see him play at Oracle.
2. Nick Swinney. Another, little to no chance guy.
3. Kyle Harrison. A future star. If he stays healthy, he will have a long, successful career.
4. R.J. Dabovich. See Glowenke.
5. Ryan Murphy. See Swinney.
2021.
1. Will Bednar. Unfortunately, the start of his professional has been derailed by injuries. Whether he ever makes it to SF is “to be determined” (I would suggest it is unlikely a this point).
2. Matt Milkulski - The Fordham Flash has hit a brick wall in his development. I don’t hold out much hope for him.
3. Mason Black - He has certainly had a poor year both at Sacramento and during his time in SF. Next year will answer the question. Does he have a big league future?
4. Eric Silva - He was traded to Detroit in the deal that brought back Mark Canha.
5. Rohan Handa - I am not familiar with this draft choice.
Since 2021, the #1 guy to keep an eye on is 19 year-old Bryce Eldridge. He is a 2023 first round selection who has already bumped up to High A where he is teammates with SF’s 2024 #1 selection, James Tibbs from Florida State.
Eldridge may be their best pure hitting prospect since Will Clark. Signed as a two-way, he quickly gave up pitching. 6’7 with a very short quick left handed stroke. Tremendous power. Recently hit a 460 foot HR to left center. He’s tearing up High A at 19. Someone to be excited about. Should start ‘25 at Richmond. Not inconceivable that he’s on the roster some point during the season.
Very disappointing season. So, how bout next year? Possibilities:
OF. Ramos, Lee, Yaz (although he could be traded) Matos McCray Meckler Bishop.
Inf. Wade Flores ( team could buy him out) Estrada Fitz Luciano Schmitt Wisely (Chapman?)
C. Bailey. Murphy. Sabol
SP. Webb Harrison Ray Birdsong Hicks Whisenhunt (has not had a good year) Seymour, Ragsdale, Black. Roupp (Snell?)
RP. Taylor, Tyler, Walker, Hjelle, Miller, Beck, Rodriguez, Doval, Bivens, Winn (if healthy - he has to be moved to the pen). Some of those listed as starters could begin in pen.
Bottom line: Not thrilling. Zaidi has his work cut out. Job 1- sign Chapman. He wants to stay and he’s been one of the best players in the National League this year. They let him go and the infield looks like an absolute mess. Particularly if Fitzgerald is an illusion.
RE: lex24 - Giants - 08-27-2024
(08-27-2024, 06:33 AM)lex24 Wrote:(08-26-2024, 10:39 PM)Giants Wrote: Zaidi has been responsible for SF’s draft since 2019 (6 years). It‘s unfair to hold him accountable for the classes prior to that.
Given the length of time it takes a professional baseball player to mature from draft pick to the major leagues, I think we should only be reviewing the classes of 2019, 2020 and 2021 to determine the success or failure of the Zaidi’s tenure (as it pertains to talent identification).
Top five picks:
2019:
1. Hunter Bishop. Time is definitely not on the side of Bishop. His ability to stay healthy has been a significant hindrance re: his road to the majors.
2. Logan Wyatt. I doubt we will ever see him in The Show.
3. Grant McCray. I don’t see him as a regular. However, I do think he will be a guy who can be upon as a reserve member of the OF group.
4. Tyler Fitzgerald. The Giants starting SS for years to come.
5. Garrett Frechette. I admit to being completely unfamiliar with him.
2020:
1. Patrick Bailey. A sterling selection. A Gold Glove-level receiver. Obviously, he has to figure out a way to maintain his stamina through the second half of the season to become a sustained threat at the plate.
2. Casey Schmitt. The start of his career portends a future as a utility infielder.
2. Jimmy Glowenke. There’s little to no chance we will ever see him play at Oracle.
2. Nick Swinney. Another, little to no chance guy.
3. Kyle Harrison. A future star. If he stays healthy, he will have a long, successful career.
4. R.J. Dabovich. See Glowenke.
5. Ryan Murphy. See Swinney.
2021.
1. Will Bednar. Unfortunately, the start of his professional has been derailed by injuries. Whether he ever makes it to SF is “to be determined” (I would suggest it is unlikely a this point).
2. Matt Milkulski - The Fordham Flash has hit a brick wall in his development. I don’t hold out much hope for him.
3. Mason Black - He has certainly had a poor year both at Sacramento and during his time in SF. Next year will answer the question. Does he have a big league future?
4. Eric Silva - He was traded to Detroit in the deal that brought back Mark Canha.
5. Rohan Handa - I am not familiar with this draft choice.
Since 2021, the #1 guy to keep an eye on is 19 year-old Bryce Eldridge. He is a 2023 first round selection who has already bumped up to High A where he is teammates with SF’s 2024 #1 selection, James Tibbs from Florida State.
Eldridge may be their best pure hitting prospect since Will Clark. Signed as a two-way, he quickly gave up pitching. 6’7 with a very short quick left handed stroke. Tremendous power. Recently hit a 460 foot HR to left center. He’s tearing up High A at 19. Someone to be excited about. Should start ‘25 at Richmond. Not inconceivable that he’s on the roster some point during the season.
Very disappointing season. So, how bout next year? Possibilities:
OF. Ramos, Lee, Yaz (although he could be traded) Matos McCray Meckler Bishop.
Inf. Wade Flores ( team could buy him out) Estrada Fitz Luciano Schmitt Wisely (Chapman?)
C. Bailey. Murphy. Sabol
SP. Webb Harrison Ray Birdsong Hicks Whisenhunt (has not had a good year) Seymour, Ragsdale, Black. Roupp (Snell?)
RP. Taylor, Tyler, Walker, Hjelle, Miller, Beck, Rodriguez, Doval, Bivens, Winn (if healthy - he has to be moved to the pen). Some of those listed as starters could begin in pen.
Bottom line: Not thrilling. Zaidi has his work cut out. Job 1- sign Chapman. He wants to stay and he’s been one of the best players in the National League this year. They let him go and the infield looks like an absolute mess. Particularly if Fitzgerald is an illusion.
Unfortunately, the only “ultra” position free agent this year is Juan Soto and the odds of him signing for any team based outside NYC are very low. Quite frankly, I think the only way the Giants can secure an anchor player is through their own system.
Otherwise, Ha-Seong Kim might be worth a long look. He could play 2B or SS (with Fitzgerald moving to 2B).
Assuming opt-outs, Chapman is a must sign and Snell might be interested in signing if the dollars are right.
As a whole, these transactions don’t move the needle to MLB Top 5 status but the free agency market is just so-so this year. Therefore, I think we can only hope for a marginal improvement. Of course, that might be enough to sneak into a wild card spot. And with the Giants starting pitching being the strength of the team, anything is possible once the playoffs begin.
RE: lex24 - Goose - 08-27-2024
(08-27-2024, 12:07 PM)Giants Wrote: As a whole, these transactions don’t move the needle to MLB Top 5 status but the free agency market is just so-so this year. Therefore, I think we can only hope for a marginal improvement. Of course, that might be enough to sneak into a wild card spot. And with the Giants starting pitching being the strength of the team, anything is possible once the playoffs begin.You are correct, make the playoffs and anything is possible. However, given the Giants offense it is very possible they could be the first team in playoff history to lose four straight playoff games by one run in the 10th inning.
RE: lex24 - lex24 - 08-28-2024
(08-27-2024, 02:20 PM)Goose Wrote:(08-27-2024, 12:07 PM)Giants Wrote: As a whole, these transactions don’t move the needle to MLB Top 5 status but the free agency market is just so-so this year. Therefore, I think we can only hope for a marginal improvement. Of course, that might be enough to sneak into a wild card spot. And with the Giants starting pitching being the strength of the team, anything is possible once the playoffs begin.You are correct, make the playoffs and anything is possible. However, given the Giants offense it is very possible they could be the first team in playoff history to lose four straight playoff games by one run in the 10th inning.
No Ghost Runner in the playoffs.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 08-30-2024
It’s time to start thinking about the ‘25 thread…..
My June 1 lineup
Lee RF
Fitz. 2b
Ramos LF
Eldridge 1B
Chapman 3b
Bailey C
Kim SS
Luciano DH
McCray CF
SP Burnes
Bench
Wade (LF/1b/DH)
Murphy
Matos
Schmitt/Wisely (utility)
One can dream….
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 08-30-2024
(08-30-2024, 06:40 AM)lex24 Wrote: It’s time to start thinking about the ‘25 thread…..
My June 1 lineup
Lee RF
Fitz. 2b
Ramos LF
Eldridge 1B
Chapman 3b
Bailey C
Kim SS
Luciano DH
McCray CF
SP Burnes
Bench
Wade (LF/1b/DH)
Murphy
Matos
Schmitt/Wisely (utility)
One can dream….
Funnily enough, with slight variations (I'd switch Fitz & Lee), I actually think that will happen. The free agent market outside of Soto next year will be mediocre at best. I like the idea of Kim at SS. He made $8 mms. last year and is having a mediocre year this year (2.4 oWAR and 0.9 dWAR compared with 4.2 and 2.1 in 2023). He'll be 29 next year, and he was a gold glove last year. I'm sure he'd like to be reunited with Kim. SI theorized in January that a seven year extension between $130 mms. and $150 mms. would do the trick. Assume the lower end given his year and we're at $18 mms. per year. I think it's doable.
Make a run at Soto? Why not...the Mets and Yankees will have a bidding war for him. He's a 4x all star including the last two years, and he'll only be 26. Corner outfielder and DH. 1.012 OPS this year.
I suspect Johnson may be exhausted by the recent free agent signings, and frankly, Farhan's best bet to keep his job is to point to all those young players and say "see? it's working..." The payroll will be $139 million for 30 players. My operating assumptions are that Ray opts in and Snell opts out, that Chapman signs long-term for $21 mms. next year, that we get Kim for $18 mms. next year, and we lose both Canha and Yaz. Yaz's OPS numbers have declined three of the last four years, he'll be 34 next year, his walks and OBP are down considerably...pretty expensive to keep, tbh, although he is leading the Giants and is fourth in MLB in triples with 9. Just an oddity. I made a few arbitrations on the low end. Still, a manageable number, and if we finally score a big free agent like Soto, still affordable. And given the likely attendance shortfall, we might need to go lower on the payroll.
How does this look?
Catchers
Bailey C $760,000
Casali C $1,000,000
Murphy C $4,000,000
Infielders
Chapman INF $21,000,000
Fitzgerald INF $760,000
Flores INF $3,500,000
Kim INF $16,833,333
Schmitt INF $760,000
Infielders/Outfielders
Eldridge INF/OF $760,000
Wade INF/OF $5,000,000
Outfielders
Lee OF $18,000,000
McCray OF $760,000
Ramos OF $760,000
DH/Utility
Encarnacion OF/DH $1,000,000
Luciano UTIL $760,000
Wisely UTIL $760,000
Relief Pitchers
Doval RP $1,250,000
Hjelle RP $760,000
Miller RP $760,000
Rodrigues RP $760,000
Rogers, Ty RP $5,000,000
Roupp RP $760,000
Walker RP $760,000
Starting Pitchers
Beck SP $760,000
Birdsong SP $760,000
Bivens SP $760,000
Harrison SP $760,000
Hicks SP $12,500,000
Ray SP $25,000,000
Webb SP $12,000,000
Total Payroll
$139,003,333
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 08-30-2024
(11-06-2023, 11:09 AM)Mick Wrote:(11-06-2023, 09:52 AM)BobK Wrote: Mick had suggested Steven Vogt as a possible Giant Manager. I lol. Today Vogt was named the Guardians Manager
Good call Mick
Hope he does well. The Guardians have an even bigger hill to climb that the Giants. They pitched reasonably well, 8th in runs allowed, 10th in ERA but just 18th in WHIP, suggesting that they got lucky in the field. They can't hit well, having finished 27th in runs per game, and their fielding is just average -- fielding percentage just above MLB average, Rtot just below MLB average, DPs 24th in MLB.
Their starters were a bit above average, relievers a bit below average. They had three strong rookie starters (Tanner Bibee, Gavin Williams & Logan Allen). They were weak up the middle -- both SS and Catchers were 27th in WAR, CF was 25th. Only 2B was 2nd in WAR. Corner infielders were 13th (1B) and 7th (3B). 7th in LF, 26th in RF.
They finished 13 games back of the wild card with a -35 run differential but won the AL Central in 2022. Vogt has his work cut out for him. He replaces Terry Francona who retired after 11 years and is likely a future HoFer.
Cleveland interviewed SF Giants bullpen coach Craig Albernaz, along with LAD 1st base coach McCulllough, and the Cubs and Yankees bench coaches. Also interviewed Brewers manager Craig Counsell.
Vogt indeed had his work cut out for him and absolutely crushed it. The Guardians lead the AL Central at 76-58.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 08-30-2024
2025
1B Wade (before he was injured, he was playing very well)
2B Luciano (I still believe he is going to be a star)
SS Fitzgerald (he is no Brandon Crawford on D but he is a capable defender with a good bat)
3B Chapman (the most important signing this offseason)
LF Ramos (Bonds streak ends in 2026)
CF Lee (shoulder injuries can be problematic; fingers are crossed he can return to full health)
RF Matos (see Luciano)
C Bailey (the best defensive catcher in the league; he has to figure out a way to not wear down)
DH to be determined (a RH who can also play 1B)
INF Wisely
INF Schmitt
OF McCray
OF Meckler
C Murphy
SP Webb
SP Harrison
SP Birdsong
SP Ray
SP Beck
RP Doval
RP Walker
RP Hjelle
RP Rodriguez
RP Roupp
RP Winn
RP Miller
RP Rogers
Quite frankly, I think one or more of the RP will be replaced by trade acquisitions. I only put the names in as placeholders. The same applies to a lesser degree to the position players. IMO, a DH is a must addition. Hopefully, they can find someone who isn’t a total bust (like Solar). Also, I believe that we may see Eldridge up by the end of the season. However, I think it is more likely he will arrive in 2026.
As for going after Soto - a big no. They need to get back under the tax limit to set up future expenditures without concern for the multiple year tax penalty.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BostonCard - 08-30-2024
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5732990/2024/08/30/sf-giants-september-goals/
The Giants are cooked. Here's what they should do from here out... from the Athletic.
BC
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 08-31-2024
Like him, I'm still intrigued by Encarnacion. The rest of it sounds right to me.
RE: lex24 - Mick - 08-31-2024
(08-27-2024, 06:33 AM)lex24 Wrote: Bottom line: Not thrilling. Zaidi has his work cut out. Job 1- sign Chapman. He wants to stay and he’s been one of the best players in the National League this year. They let him go and the infield looks like an absolute mess. Particularly if Fitzgerald is an illusion.
He's one of the few hitters who actually thrive at Oracle. 21 HRs, may finish with 24 or so. He also has 33 doubles. His OPS is .775, just a sliver below his career OPS of .788. His batting average is his best in five years.
Here's the fun part: he has 13 stolen bases in 15 attempts. During the other seven years of his career, he's stolen 11 bases, collectively.
We really need him. Give him a four year contract, five if he wants it.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-02-2024
Since all we have left this year is looking forward to next season….
Eldridge has been promoted to Double AA. He will finish the season with Richmond. Could he make it to SF by the end of 2025?