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RE: lex24 - 76lsjumb - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 06:49 AM)winflop Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 04:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Discussion is heavy on conjecture, light on facts.  There may be any number of reasons why 5th year goes into portal.  My guess is that if you asked each one, you would get varied answers. But it’s just a guess.  If anyone has actual information, let’s hear it.

I was told by a former player that for Williams & Swann, their decisions have nothing to do with academics.

But frankly I don't care what the reasons are for the five guys who clearly would be starting or on the two-deep. Something has them wanting to leave and it doesn't reflect well on the program. Meanwhile, Shaw sits in his ivory tower taking zero action after the worst season in his HC career.

I'm guessing that's what you thought about Cormac Ryan, too...  

But hey, why imagine something positive and pass up a chance to dump on Shaw?

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - OutsiderFan - 12-16-2019

You can only bring in the number of recruits for spots you have open. The 2017 class has yet to have the impact it was suppose to have and 2016's class wasn't as impactful as it was suppose to be either.  

Would other programs have fared better with these same recruits? We'll never know. But a strong argument can be made that Stanford is recently doing less than it should on the field with the talent it is collecting off of it.

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - BostonCard - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 03:21 PM)gailtate Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 12:16 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  "he" does in fact refer to WIlner.

There are a lot of moving pieces in terms of scholarship spots.  It depends on who else enters the portal and whether any of those in the portal withdraw their name and come back.  There is also the matter of whether Parkinson and/or Adebo go pro.

By my math, if we do in fact get 22, we will probably be at the 80 - 85 scholarships level.

BC

It's not easy to envision Parkinson or Adebo in the NFL.  Adebo, maybe, if he can be coached up. The physical tools seem to be there. Parkinson needs a ton of route-running tutelage and body leverage/control. Compare him to Fleener, Ertz, Hewitt, Reuland, Toilolo, Dray, et. al.

I agree with you.  For a guy of his size and speed, he played like a smaller and slower tight end.  He was still able to get a second team all-Pac-12, but I think that was mostly on his raw tools.  There's a lot of room to improve.

The other thing I'd love to see from him is him being more physical.  I don't remember a ton of plays where he caught something in traffic and he made the DB/LBer covering him miss a tackle.

I would note that the NFL will draft him on the basis of the physical tools and hope that the rest can be developed.  As a reminder, draft position is based on projected future value, not past accomplishments.

BC

RE: lex24 - SamuelMcF - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 03:24 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 06:49 AM)winflop Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 04:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Discussion is heavy on conjecture, light on facts.  There may be any number of reasons why 5th year goes into portal.  My guess is that if you asked each one, you would get varied answers. But it’s just a guess.  If anyone has actual information, let’s hear it.

I was told by a former player that for Williams & Swann, their decisions have nothing to do with academics.

But frankly I don't care what the reasons are for the five guys who clearly would be starting or on the two-deep. Something has them wanting to leave and it doesn't reflect well on the program. Meanwhile, Shaw sits in his ivory tower taking zero action after the worst season in his HC career.

I'm guessing that's what you thought about Cormac Ryan, too...  

But hey, why imagine something positive and pass up a chance to dump on Shaw?

What does Cormac Ryan have to do with this? And he's right. Shaw isn't doing anything.

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - donkey687 - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 11:39 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Wilner (and Shaw) chime in...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/12/16/stanford-is-dominating-the-transfer-portal-what-gives-on-the-farm/

Still a lot of things in flux, obviously.

I like Shaw's quote that "Some will leave, but some will stay and be important pieces of an exciting 2020 Stanford football team". I hope Shaw is right even if those two end up being Eboh and Harrington instead of Swann or Williams or Hamilton or Hattis.  If 2 of those six stay, the transfer blow is a lot less especially with the news of Little returning.

RE: lex24 - 76lsjumb - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 03:32 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 03:24 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 06:49 AM)winflop Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 04:59 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Discussion is heavy on conjecture, light on facts.  There may be any number of reasons why 5th year goes into portal.  My guess is that if you asked each one, you would get varied answers. But it’s just a guess.  If anyone has actual information, let’s hear it.

I was told by a former player that for Williams & Swann, their decisions have nothing to do with academics.

But frankly I don't care what the reasons are for the five guys who clearly would be starting or on the two-deep. Something has them wanting to leave and it doesn't reflect well on the program. Meanwhile, Shaw sits in his ivory tower taking zero action after the worst season in his HC career.

I'm guessing that's what you thought about Cormac Ryan, too...  

But hey, why imagine something positive and pass up a chance to dump on Shaw?

What does Cormac Ryan have to do with this? And he's right. Shaw isn't doing anything.

Sorry, too obscure, I guess.  

Cormac Ryan was last year's freshman guard who was clearly going to be one of the stars going forward [and, unquestionably, a 4-year starter, if he didn't leave early].  Then, unexpectedly [at least to me], he announced he was entering the transfer portal and, ultimately, signed on with Notre.Dame.  Obviously [meant sarcastically] it was due to the fact that he was bailing on Haase, the program, etc., because it was in a shambles and had no prospect of success in the near term [i.e., while Ryan was there].  

Fast forward to this year and, what should occur, two players -- Terry and Jones - arrive and are freshmen starters.  Lo and behold, the team looks a whole lot better, ...but Ryan's prospects for being a 4-year star [for Stanford, at least] look a whole lot more questionable.  Maybe Ryan [or his camp] had an idea this might happen.

The point being:  Maybe his [or any transfer's] reason for leaving stems from the fact that the team's prospects may actually be improving, even if his personal situation might not be.

As for the absolute certainty in your assessment of Shaw's activities, I was wondering whether you are rooming at his house, stalking him, or hacking into some video devices in his office?

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - Mick - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 03:05 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  The difference between 2013 and 2018 was that 2013 followed a big and deep class.  The 2018 class followed a small (but high quality class).  You can't have small back-to-back classes and not expect to have problems down the line.

BC

In fact, the 2013 class had very substantial classes both in front (2012) and in back (2014) of them.  They were 1st and 2nd in the Pac-12, with #7 and #13 overall national rankings.

RE: lex24 - SamuelMcF - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 04:00 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 03:32 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  [quote="76lsjumb" pid='264902' dateline='1576535077']

What does Cormac Ryan have to do with this? And he's right. Shaw isn't doing anything.

Sorry, too obscure, I guess.  

Cormac Ryan was last year's freshman guard who was clearly going to be one of the stars going forward [and, unquestionably, a 4-year starter, if he didn't leave early].  Then, unexpectedly [at least to me], he announced he was entering the transfer portal and, ultimately, signed on with Notre.Dame.  Obviously [meant sarcastically] it was due to the fact that he was bailing on Haase, the program, etc., because it was in a shambles and had no prospect of success in the near term [i.e., while Ryan was there].  

Fast forward to this year and, what should occur, two players -- Terry and Jones - arrive and are freshmen starters.  Lo and behold, the team looks a whole lot better, ...but Ryan's prospects for being a 4-year star [for Stanford, at least] look a whole lot more questionable.  Maybe Ryan [or his camp] had an idea this might happen.

The point being:  Maybe his [or any transfer's] reason for leaving stems from the fact that the team's prospects may actually be improving, even if his personal situation might not be.

As for the absolute certainty in your assessment of Shaw's activities, I was wondering whether you are rooming at his house, stalking him, or hacking into some video devices in his office?

As someone who pays $9.99 a month to know this stuff, Haase bringing in a true PG did in fact have an effect on the Ryan camp.

And in an interview Shaw stated there would be no changes to the staff. What about you? Any sleepovers? Can you convince me that he IS doing something?
(12-16-2019, 04:04 PM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 03:05 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  The difference between 2013 and 2018 was that 2013 followed a big and deep class.  The 2018 class followed a small (but high quality class).  You can't have small back-to-back classes and not expect to have problems down the line.

BC

In fact, the 2013 class had very substantial classes both in front (2012) and in back (2014) of them.  They were 1st and 2nd in the Pac-12, with #7 and #13 overall national rankings.

Yes on all of this. The class following '17 should've looked a lot more like '19 in terms of size and positional distribution, in fact. But we got '18. I do think there was some acclimation to the new signing period that affected '18, but still, yeesh.

RE: lex24 - Goose - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 04:13 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 04:00 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:  As for the absolute certainty in your assessment of Shaw's activities, I was wondering whether you are rooming at his house, stalking him, or hacking into some video devices in his office?



And in an interview Shaw stated there would be no changes to the staff. What about you? Any sleepovers? Can you convince me that he IS doing something?

Probably nobody on this board, or the $9.99 board for that matter, can actually know that Shaw is "doing nothing". If ones definition of "doing something" is making changes in the staff, then we know that he does not intend to make any personnel changes, although he did not rule out the possibility of their being attrition, which would require changes. Given that, it may be that somebody does a Beau Baldwin, though I doubt it. Shaw also did not rule out changing responsibilities of the existing staff, although I suspect that it it happens, it will be "around the edges". If one accepts a broader definition of "doing something", we can know he did something when and if we identify it. Unfortunately, he may do something we don't see or hear about, so SamuelMcF can probably never prove the negative. I guess that doesn't matter, since he appears to already be convinced.

Really, the only thing that matters is results. All kinds of changes that produce a "bad" season is not necessarily better than doing nothing and having a bad season. Of course, if Shaw stands pat, wins the PAC-12, but doesn't win a natty, then obviously he should have done something.

RE: lex24 - Brickcity - 12-16-2019

(12-16-2019, 05:31 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 04:13 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(12-16-2019, 04:00 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:  As for the absolute certainty in your assessment of Shaw's activities, I was wondering whether you are rooming at his house, stalking him, or hacking into some video devices in his office?



And in an interview Shaw stated there would be no changes to the staff. What about you? Any sleepovers? Can you convince me that he IS doing something?

Probably nobody on this board, or the $9.99 board for that matter, can actually know that Shaw is "doing nothing". If ones definition of "doing something" is making changes in the staff, then we know that he does not intend to make any personnel changes, although he did not rule out the possibility of their being attrition, which would require changes. Given that, it may be that somebody does a Beau Baldwin, though I doubt it. Shaw also did not rule out changing responsibilities of the existing staff, although I suspect that it it happens, it will be "around the edges". If one accepts a broader definition of "doing something", we can know he did something when and if we identify it. Unfortunately, he may do something we don't see or hear about, so SamuelMcF can probably never prove the negative. I guess that doesn't matter, since he appears to already be convinced.

Really, the only thing that matters is results. All kinds of changes that produce a "bad" season is not necessarily better than doing nothing and having a bad season. Of course, if Shaw stands pat, wins the PAC-12, but doesn't win a natty, then obviously he should have done something.

If Shaw wins the conference but not a national championship, I'll be more than a little understanding.

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - 82lsju - 12-17-2019

Quote:— Uncle Julio (@mike_williams52) December 16, 2019

People been asking me since I’m in the portal do I regret going to Stanford and the answer is no. Best decision I have made in my life so far



https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/12/16/walker-little-will-return-but-who-else/

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - lex24 - 12-17-2019

Little staying is big. This thread is kind of funny actually.   For all who “know” please list the players that are leaving through the portal. Then tell us why. Then give the source of your knowledge. If you can do that, you have some actual basis for your opinions. If you cannot....

I suspect btw that those who leave do so for varied reasons that may include:  1.  Can’t get into grad program.  2. Want a different experience. 3. Want a chance to play. 4. Like other schools options. 5. Dissatisfied with Stanford in some respect. 6. Dissatisfied with program/Shaw/position coach 7. Just want a change. 

But these are all guesses. I have no real knowledge as to the whys. Same as the rest of you. (Who automatically assume it’s Shaw or the program).

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - 82lsju - 12-17-2019

(12-17-2019, 08:32 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Little staying is big. This thread is kind of funny actually.   For all who “know” please list the players that are leaving through the portal. Then tell us why. Then give the source of your knowledge. If you can do that, you have some actual basis for your opinions. If you cannot....

I suspect btw that those who leave do so for varied reasons that may include:  1.  Can’t get into grad program.  2. Want a different experience. 3. Want a chance to play. 4. Like other schools options. 5. Dissatisfied with Stanford in some respect. 6. Dissatisfied with program/Shaw/position coach 7. Just want a change. 

But these are all guesses. I have no real knowledge as to the whys. Same as the rest of you. (Who automatically assume it’s Shaw or the program).

not in the know but my guesses

Playing time 
 
Graduate program
 
???


RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - SamuelMcF - 12-17-2019

(12-17-2019, 10:38 AM)82lsju Wrote:  
(12-17-2019, 08:32 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Little staying is big. This thread is kind of funny actually.   For all who “know” please list the players that are leaving through the portal. Then tell us why. Then give the source of your knowledge. If you can do that, you have some actual basis for your opinions. If you cannot....

I suspect btw that those who leave do so for varied reasons that may include:  1.  Can’t get into grad program.  2. Want a different experience. 3. Want a chance to play. 4. Like other schools options. 5. Dissatisfied with Stanford in some respect. 6. Dissatisfied with program/Shaw/position coach 7. Just want a change. 

But these are all guesses. I have no real knowledge as to the whys. Same as the rest of you. (Who automatically assume it’s Shaw or the program).

not in the know but my guesses

Playing time 
  • Jack Richardson - no stats in in 2019
  • Donald Stewart - 1 reception in 2019
  • Bo Peek - played in three games, no stats in 2019
  • Anthony Trinh - played in nine games (all on special teams?), 2 tackles in 2019
  • Obi Eboh - starter early in the year but not by the end of the year
  • Collin Riccitelli - no stats in 2019, his tweet about leaving highlights that he has two years of eligibility remaining
 
Graduate program
  • Dylan Powell - he's said he's in the IU business school and I doubt he'd get into GSB without work experience.  If bus school is his next goal this move makes sense as he gets at least one year paid (and maybe a second if he is granted a sixth year, but even if he is not granted a sixth year he can probably become an Indiana resident and pay in state tuition for his second year)
 
???
  • Scooter Harrington
  • Devery Hamilton
  • Henry Hattis
  • Michael Williams
  • Jovan Swann

This list looks about right to me. Nice to have it in one place.

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - Phogge - 12-17-2019

Lex, when you retired from Stanford sideline duties did you go into the Game Officials Portal and hope you could carry the ball to Tuscaloosa?

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - donkey687 - 12-17-2019

(12-17-2019, 11:51 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(12-17-2019, 10:38 AM)82lsju Wrote:  
(12-17-2019, 08:32 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Little staying is big. This thread is kind of funny actually.   For all who “know” please list the players that are leaving through the portal. Then tell us why. Then give the source of your knowledge. If you can do that, you have some actual basis for your opinions. If you cannot....

I suspect btw that those who leave do so for varied reasons that may include:  1.  Can’t get into grad program.  2. Want a different experience. 3. Want a chance to play. 4. Like other schools options. 5. Dissatisfied with Stanford in some respect. 6. Dissatisfied with program/Shaw/position coach 7. Just want a change. 

But these are all guesses. I have no real knowledge as to the whys. Same as the rest of you. (Who automatically assume it’s Shaw or the program).

not in the know but my guesses

Playing time 
  • Jack Richardson - no stats in in 2019
  • Donald Stewart - 1 reception in 2019
  • Bo Peek - played in three games, no stats in 2019
  • Anthony Trinh - played in nine games (all on special teams?), 2 tackles in 2019
  • Obi Eboh - starter early in the year but not by the end of the year
  • Collin Riccitelli - no stats in 2019, his tweet about leaving highlights that he has two years of eligibility remaining
 
Graduate program
  • Dylan Powell - he's said he's in the IU business school and I doubt he'd get into GSB without work experience.  If bus school is his next goal this move makes sense as he gets at least one year paid (and maybe a second if he is granted a sixth year, but even if he is not granted a sixth year he can probably become an Indiana resident and pay in state tuition for his second year)
 
???
  • Scooter Harrington
  • Devery Hamilton
  • Henry Hattis
  • Michael Williams
  • Jovan Swann

This list looks about right to me. Nice to have it in one place.

I would swap Eboh and Harrington on those lists. Eboh finished the season as a starter again after Adeebo went out.  Harrington played a lot less than Eboh.  The potential 5th year that I haven't heard anything about is Pryts.  He was solid as a starter and is definitely needed to provide depth if not start at ILB next year. He participated in Senior Day. He isn't in the portal and he hasn't announced he is coming back. Anyone have any insight here?

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - teejers1 - 12-17-2019

(12-17-2019, 11:51 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  I suspect btw that those who leave do so for varied reasons that may include:  1.  Can’t get into grad program.  2. Want a different experience. 3. Want a chance to play. 4. Like other schools options. 5. Dissatisfied with Stanford in some respect. 6. Dissatisfied with program/Shaw/position coach 7. Just want a change. 

But these are all guesses. I have no real knowledge as to the whys. Same as the rest of you. (Who automatically assume it’s Shaw or the program).

not in the know but my guesses

Playing time 
 
Graduate program
 
???
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This list looks about right to me. Nice to have it in one place.
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Same.  And Lex, for those in the ??? category, here's what I know: (i) these guys all played and were expected to play meaningful minutes in 2020, (ii) football is a big (probably the biggest) part of Stanford life for these scholarship athletes, (iii) to leave Stanford University (not Podunk U by any means) for another school is likely to reflect at least some dissatisfaction with "the program."  

Maybe that's a leap too far, but it strikes me as a pretty reasonable position.

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - BostonCard - 12-17-2019

Far be it for me to agree with Teejers, but I think that while we cannot know what any particular individual's motivation is, we are not talking about one guy, we are talking about probably five guys for which there isn't an obvious explanation in terms of PT or academics for why they are leaving.  Sure, for any one player the explanation might be idiosyncratic (for example, a girlfriend graduating and getting a job somewhere else), but the overall pattern is concerning, especially since this is the second year that we have seen concerning departures (longer if you include ill-advised departures to the NFL).

One note I did think was interesting from Wilner was the idea that the offensive linemen's decision might have been linked to Little's decision to return (though both Hamilton and Hattis would have been guards, and Little would be locking down the LT spot), while Eboh's might have been linked to Adebo's (that's a better comparison, since if Adebo returns, the starters would probably be Adebo and Kelly, while if he declares for the NFL Eboh and Kelly would be the starters).  Of course, I have no idea whether that is pure speculation on Wilner's part (probably, given that I'm not sure that Little would have much influence on the guard position) or if he was onto something.

BC

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - Phogge - 12-17-2019

BC do you think any are leaving because they have imaginary girlfriends at other schools?

RE: 5th Year Decision Thread - BostonCard - 12-17-2019

(12-17-2019, 06:13 PM)Phogge Wrote:  BC do you think any are leaving because they have imaginary girlfriends at other schools?

You know, I always felt we missed an opportunity to get Te'o to transfer, but that option went out the window when she died.

BC