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RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Snorlax94 - 10-02-2020
(10-02-2020, 08:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote:I was honestly confused by your comment, but after a third reading, I can see how a person with certain sensitivities might read the comment as expressing schadenfreude, which wasn't my intent.(10-02-2020, 06:56 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I think it is more likely Trump truly is sick. I think Trump is addicted to the crowds and adulation, the constant never-ending Twitter Messianic complex. He is so insecure he has never once stopped proclaiming his “strength and stamina” to the point of absurdity with the health summary he dictated to his doctor.
I have commented in the past that these needs supercede Trump’s own rational best interest for political survival, and now they may have supeceded his literal survival, as well.
The glee in these parts is amazing (though I admit to asking my law school buddies "Who says there is no God (and that he has no sense of humor?)" But it was in the context of assumed survival, which I still think is very likely - even though Trump is old and overweight (and may have other vulnerabilities that we don't know of). We'll see.
Fascinating developments. But a friendly comment: it's these kinds of comments that turn off Middle America. And you don't want it turning off too many Middle Americans in swing states.
It's my interpretation of Trump's behavior. His conduct this year was so inexplicable -- why does he do what he does? Why doesn't he advocate masks? Why doesn't he ramp up PPE? Why doesn't he get the virus under control first, then re-open the economy? In my opinion, had he simply done those things, he would have cruised to re-election, despite all his flaws.
The only explanation I could think of is that Trump has needs that go beyond his own political survival. He's so defensive, narcissistic and insecure that he must always be proclaiming his virility, he must claim he never makes mistakes and always be incapable of error, and thus, incapable of change. Can anyone think of a different explanation of why Trump didn't go all-in to promote masks to save the US?
Why did he continue to hold rallies when they were unsafe? Any spike in cases afterwards, deaths like Herman Cain's could harm his re-election. So why? Because he needs them. He needs the crowds. He needs thousands of people laughing when he makes fun of people, and he needs to hear crowds chanting his name, and he needs to rant on Tweet. He *needs* to.
I'm not trying to kick Trump when he's down, I'm just trying to explain why I believe he really is sick. He must truly be ill because he's not Tweeting and he's cancelling his rallies (for now), which to me means he is physically incapable. Michael Moore has his "sneaky liar" theory to explain why Trump might not be sick, other people have the "president of Notre Dame wouldn't lie" theory of why Trump really is sick, doctors have their "a healthy person would never take monoclonal antibodies" theory of why Trump really has Covid. My explanation is the "undisciplined narcissist/addicted to adulating crowds" theory of why he must really, truly be unwell. Not just Covid positive -- he is ill enough that he cannot Tweet frequently.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - M T - 10-03-2020
Regarding the possibility that Trump is too sick to tweet: If this were true, the timeline doesn't seem right. Roughly, the time line is
Exposure: Day 0
Infectious: Day 2.5
Symptoms: Day 5
Respiratory distress: Day 10
If we guess that he is in some sort of severe distress, corresponding to what happens usually around day 10, then I have to wonder about his testing status.
If respiratory distress hit on Friday (10/2), then he should have tested positive any day of the past 7 days(since 9/25), more or less. I presume the positive test we know about was given on Wednesday (9/30). Right now, I'd guess that was a second positive test (run as a confirmation to avoid announcing a potential false positive), where we weren't informed of a positive test on Tuesday (9/29).
Even so, that makes for several days (9/26 through 9/28 inclusive) where he likely wasn't tested, or I'd have to believe he got a false negative.
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On the other hand, if the situation is that symptoms were first noticed on Friday (and any conjecture of his being too sick to tweet is overblown), then he would have likely only tested positive first on Tuesday or Wednesday, which is in line with the announced positive test.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Farm93 - 10-03-2020
(10-02-2020, 11:06 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:It is very hard to not point out that one reaps what they sow in this case. And those observations may seem gleeful to some that are rightfully worried about POTUS' health.(10-02-2020, 08:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote:I was honestly confused by your comment, but after a third reading, I can see how a person with certain sensitivities might read the comment as expressing schadenfreude, which wasn't my intent.(10-02-2020, 06:56 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I think it is more likely Trump truly is sick. I think Trump is addicted to the crowds and adulation, the constant never-ending Twitter Messianic complex. He is so insecure he has never once stopped proclaiming his “strength and stamina” to the point of absurdity with the health summary he dictated to his doctor.
I have commented in the past that these needs supercede Trump’s own rational best interest for political survival, and now they may have supeceded his literal survival, as well.
The glee in these parts is amazing (though I admit to asking my law school buddies "Who says there is no God (and that he has no sense of humor?)" But it was in the context of assumed survival, which I still think is very likely - even though Trump is old and overweight (and may have other vulnerabilities that we don't know of). We'll see.
Fascinating developments. But a friendly comment: it's these kinds of comments that turn off Middle America. And you don't want it turning off too many Middle Americans in swing states.
It's my interpretation of Trump's behavior. His conduct this year was so inexplicable -- why does he do what he does? Why doesn't he advocate masks? Why doesn't he ramp up PPE? Why doesn't he get the virus under control first, then re-open the economy? In my opinion, had he simply done those things, he would have cruised to re-election, despite all his flaws.
The only explanation I could think of is that Trump has needs that go beyond his own political survival. He's so defensive, narcissistic and insecure that he must always be proclaiming his virility, he must claim he never makes mistakes and always be incapable of error, and thus, incapable of change. Can anyone think of a different explanation of why Trump didn't go all-in to promote masks to save the US?
Why did he continue to hold rallies when they were unsafe? Any spike in cases afterwards, deaths like Herman Cain's could harm his re-election. So why? Because he needs them. He needs the crowds. He needs thousands of people laughing when he makes fun of people, and he needs to hear crowds chanting his name, and he needs to rant on Tweet. He *needs* to.
I'm not trying to kick Trump when he's down, I'm just trying to explain why I believe he really is sick. He must truly be ill because he's not Tweeting and he's cancelling his rallies (for now), which to me means he is physically incapable. Michael Moore has his "sneaky liar" theory to explain why Trump might not be sick, other people have the "president of Notre Dame wouldn't lie" theory of why Trump really is sick, doctors have their "a healthy person would never take monoclonal antibodies" theory of why Trump really has Covid. My explanation is the "undisciplined narcissist/addicted to adulating crowds" theory of why he must really, truly be unwell. Not just Covid positive -- he is ill enough that he cannot Tweet frequently.
However literally on Tuesday's debate the idea of COVID19 related precautions was a question and Trump's responses capture precisely how we got here. He even mocked Joe's use of masks, which I suspect has a bigger impact on these middle America types then this board. Still Trump is our POTUS and COVID19 is not a game, unlike the normal topics on this board.
I don't think anyone here has "glee" about the situation, and this idea that anyone opposing Trump must be gleeful has come up a few too many times IMHO.
That said the candidates and their campaigns are responsible for messaging to middle America. Their actions are seen by those in middle America. FWIW - POTUS flippant responses to questions at that debate related to COVID and mask wearing during that debate should have greater influence on those sensitive middle America types than anything on a sports board.
Does not matter at the moment because several members of the Trump campaign are battling a deadly disease. That's not a gleeful situation. I hope all of the members of Team Trump recover and then share their greater appreciation for the dangers of the disease with those in America inclined to follow their lead.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Farm93 - 10-03-2020
Oh wow,
That event last weekend appears to have been a high profile super spreader event now that a third Republican Senator has tested positive.
Seems clear to me that anyone that was in the first 3-5 rows of that event last weekend should be tested immediately, and then continue to be tested often during this upcoming week.
Since Team Trump refused to wear masks those that were ever indoors with members of Team Trump's re-election campaign this last week probably should test often too. That would include all members of Team Biden and all members of the Cleveland Clinic that hosted any part of the debate on Tuesday.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-03-2020
(10-02-2020, 06:44 PM)Mick Wrote:(10-02-2020, 10:54 AM)BostonCard Wrote: In case you want to keep track of who has tested positive and who has tested negative...
https://www.axios.com/trump-republicans-coronavirus-covid-positive-0c465d3b-b1df-4096-a1b8-6df63efbf2f7.html
It is a sad commentary on today's state of affairs that the President is hit by COVID-19 and some people's reaction is "I'm still not sure it isn't just a campaign stunt."
BC
Michael Moore is certain that it's a campaign stunt.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/michael-moore-donald-trump-fake-coronavirus-b750245.html
I used to like Michael Moore. He is now an embarrassment to himself and his family.
I'm really starting to enjoy this spectacle of GOP incompetence.
The Senate needs 51 votes to move through any Senate action. The Senate Majority Leader has decided to run the Senate so it only needs Republican votes to move any Senate business forward. Three Republican Senators are now out with Covid, and there could be more today and tomorrow.
The Senate only allows in-person voting. If too many Republican Senators get Covid and have to quarantine, the Senate Majority Leader will only be able to move anything through the Senate with votes from Democrats.
If two more Republican Senators go down with Covid or have to quarantine, the Senate Minority Leader will effectively be in charge of the Senate.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Mick - 10-03-2020
(10-02-2020, 06:56 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I’ve read Moore’s take and I wouldn’t summarize it by saying he’s “certain that it’s a campaign stunt.”
Sorry, I was being facetious. Doesn't always come across online.
(10-02-2020, 11:06 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I'm not trying to kick Trump when he's down, I'm just trying to explain why I believe he really is sick.
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RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - 82 Card - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 07:25 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(10-02-2020, 06:44 PM)Mick Wrote: Michael Moore is certain that it's a campaign stunt.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/michael-moore-donald-trump-fake-coronavirus-b750245.html
I used to like Michael Moore. He is now an embarrassment to himself and his family.
Depends on when Moore said it. I first heard of that statement by Moore very late Thursday night/Friday morning. When it was just Hicks and the Trumps, his position was reasonable. I wouldn't count on a web site owned by a "Russian business man" and a "Saudi investor" (according to Wikipedia) to note details that undercut a good hit.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - teejers1 - 10-03-2020
(10-02-2020, 11:06 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:(10-02-2020, 08:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote:I was honestly confused by your comment, but after a third reading, I can see how a person with certain sensitivities might read the comment as expressing schadenfreude, which wasn't my intent.(10-02-2020, 06:56 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I think it is more likely Trump truly is sick. I think Trump is addicted to the crowds and adulation, the constant never-ending Twitter Messianic complex. He is so insecure he has never once stopped proclaiming his “strength and stamina” to the point of absurdity with the health summary he dictated to his doctor.
I have commented in the past that these needs supercede Trump’s own rational best interest for political survival, and now they may have supeceded his literal survival, as well.
The glee in these parts is amazing (though I admit to asking my law school buddies "Who says there is no God (and that he has no sense of humor?)" But it was in the context of assumed survival, which I still think is very likely - even though Trump is old and overweight (and may have other vulnerabilities that we don't know of). We'll see.
Fascinating developments. But a friendly comment: it's these kinds of comments that turn off Middle America. And you don't want it turning off too many Middle Americans in swing states.
It's my interpretation of Trump's behavior. His conduct this year was so inexplicable -- why does he do what he does? Why doesn't he advocate masks? Why doesn't he ramp up PPE? Why doesn't he get the virus under control first, then re-open the economy? In my opinion, had he simply done those things, he would have cruised to re-election, despite all his flaws.
The only explanation I could think of is that Trump has needs that go beyond his own political survival. He's so defensive, narcissistic and insecure that he must always be proclaiming his virility, he must claim he never makes mistakes and always be incapable of error, and thus, incapable of change. Can anyone think of a different explanation of why Trump didn't go all-in to promote masks to save the US?
Why did he continue to hold rallies when they were unsafe? Any spike in cases afterwards, deaths like Herman Cain's could harm his re-election. So why? Because he needs them. He needs the crowds. He needs thousands of people laughing when he makes fun of people, and he needs to hear crowds chanting his name, and he needs to rant on Tweet. He *needs* to.
I'm not trying to kick Trump when he's down, I'm just trying to explain why I believe he really is sick. He must truly be ill because he's not Tweeting and he's cancelling his rallies (for now), which to me means he is physically incapable. Michael Moore has his "sneaky liar" theory to explain why Trump might not be sick, other people have the "president of Notre Dame wouldn't lie" theory of why Trump really is sick, doctors have their "a healthy person would never take monoclonal antibodies" theory of why Trump really has Covid. My explanation is the "undisciplined narcissist/addicted to adulating crowds" theory of why he must really, truly be unwell. Not just Covid positive -- he is ill enough that he cannot Tweet frequently.
I think there's a lot of denial in these parts. But at least Farm93 points out the obvious - "the reap what you sow" comment. Of course that has to be a widely held sentiment . . . among people with a brain and "any sensitivities." And your "certain sensitivities" comment made me chuckle. And it also caused me to think and acknowledge that I have "no sensitivities" on this. Truly. Beyond the general "I don't want anyone to get Covid, and if they do I hope it's not serious" sentiment, I have no sensitivities on Trump, regardless of outcome. Any outcome.
Of course, I live my day-to-day life without giving Trump much thought. That seems to be a minority position, at least among denizens of this board. And outside this board, I think Trump fixation is a pretty common condition for a decent chunk of society, including those with the proverbial egg on their faces after the last presidential election. But hey, they're getting the last laugh now. And it has to be so satisfying for them because, as Farm93 aptly pointed out, Trump/Reap/Sow.
P.S. FWIW, I didn't read your post as schadenfreude as much as "See, I told you so" in context of your Trump psychoanalysis (which may be on the mark). It's the latter that turns people off - much like my repetitive "I told you Shaw was a crappy offensive mind and shouldn't be calling the plays for Stanford" after every bad decision/game by Stanford.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Farm93 - 10-03-2020
Is that MD serious?
72 hours since he first tested positive!?!?
If true that is entirely unacceptable. He had a number of events on Wed and Thur.
If that is right that’s crazy.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-03-2020
[Tweet]https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1312432028630110209?s=20[/tweet]
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - magnus - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 09:49 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: [Tweet]https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1312432028630110209?s=20[/tweet]
I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth until he leaves Walter Reed (and maybe not even then).
Has he tweeted anything today?
(10-03-2020, 06:45 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Oh wow,If you're referring to Ron Johnson, he was not at the announcement ceremony as he was already quarantining due to a previous exposure.
That event last weekend appears to have been a high profile super spreader event now that a third Republican Senator has tested positive.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/ron-johnson-coronavirus/index.html
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-03-2020
No he hasn't. Let's be honest, that is a bad sign. As Snorlax pointed out, this guy needs to be tweeting. He knows as well that he SHOULD be tweeting and his supporters want to see his tweets now more than ever.
When I round on people in the hospital, they're almost always on their phones, even sick people on oxygen and monitors. I had his account muted, but I'm following now because that will be perhaps the most trustworthy yardstick on his condition. The press conference was a farce.
Edit......now the question is, did he write it? Will leave to the real Trumpologists to decipher that.
[Tweet]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312442195509563392?s=20[/tweet]
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - magnus - 10-03-2020
The anonymous source for the more dire interpretation of Trump's condition was the Chief of Staff?
See update in thread below.
[Tweet]https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1312425937523310592?s=20[/tweet]
Quote:UPDATE: Immediately after the press conference ended and before the anonymous statement was sent out, Mark Meadows briefed reporters without cameras—but he was caught on a feed asking to be off the record.
Weird.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 04:08 AM)Farm93 Wrote: I don't think anyone here has "glee" about the situation, and this idea that anyone opposing Trump must be gleeful has come up a few too many times IMHO.
Well, there are all sorts of sh*t people out on Twitter who did express glee and hoped that Trump would die, but I would like to believe that none of us in this community would express glee at what happened to Trump.
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-03-2020
I am feeling a strange mix of schadenfreude, but with quite a bit of fear and anxiety. Country is in for a wild next few weeks.
I hope he gets better, and quickly. Chances are he still will. I also help he learns a lesson from this.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 11:26 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: I am feeling a strange mix of schadenfreude, but with quite a bit of fear and anxiety. Country is in for a wild next few weeks.
I hope he gets better, and quickly. Chances are he still will. I also help he learns a lesson from this.
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RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-03-2020
I'm not saying I think he will. But if anything can change an opinion, a serious health scare might.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-03-2020
Any reason you have a picture of Susan Collins there?
BC
As an aside, those who assumed that Trump's condition was worse than the White House was letting on seem to have been proven correct:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1312473532652154880[/tweet]
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - JustAnotherFan - 10-03-2020
Who cares if people express glee at Trump catching Covid? It isn't like his supporters haven't expressed glee when white supremacists shoot protesters or cops shoot Black people. It's not like Trump hasn't laughed his way to 200,000 deaths. I could care less if people are happy Trump got it. I don't really care do you?
The most beneficial thing that could happen from this is that his base begins to take this pandemic seriously.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-03-2020
Yes, Trump mocked Clinton for having a pneumonia. However, one of the things that I would really like to move on to is not making what Trump would do the baseline as to what’s acceptable. That Trump is an a-hole doesn’t mean I want the world to be full of a-holes.
BC