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RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - needle - 02-11-2022

I read that if you renounce U.S. citizenship when under 18, you can apply to have it reinstated within six months of your 18th birthday.

Eileen Gu turned 18 on Sept. 3, 2021 (according to the internet).

Is it possible she renounced her citizenship but will end up asking to have her U.S. citizenship reinstated?

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - dabigv13 - 02-11-2022

(02-11-2022, 12:35 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(02-11-2022, 10:41 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Yikes, her answer was pretty terrible. Would hope sports journalists would just keep asking only about that until she actually answers. Wonder when we'll get some clarity.

Why is clarity important to us? Why does she have to answer? It's her life.

Wondering how many people here hold dual citizenships. I get that China doesn't typically allow it, but there are always exceptions. As for every Chinese athlete renouncing their former country's citizenship, wasn't there a post earlier that stated that didn't appear to be the case?

Here's an article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/olympics/ct-olympics-us-born-athletes-china-20220208-t7gncjt7xbcwvnclt7f7ydlmri-story.html

"Like other foreign-born athletes representing China at the Beijing Games, Jake Chelios will play under a Chinese name. In any official Olympic context, he will be Jieke Kailiaosi. “My new name? I love it. It’s cool. It’s part of the experience. Since I’ve been over here, everything’s kind of new for me, and that’s the exciting part about playing overseas,” Chelios said at Saturday’s practice."

Feel free to crush Jake, er Jieke, as well.

Yeah, as already pointed out, if Jieke's only chance at an Olympics roster is with China, that's a much different situation than Gu's. Jieke is also not a big star getting tens of millions of dollars in promotional $$$ from Chinese companies. So the situations aren't really comparable.

Gu doesn't personally owe me shit. But I don't understand why you think she is beyond criticism.... we're on a sports message board, that's what happens here.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - M T - 02-11-2022

I tend to think most people live out their lives as independently as possible from the government that exerts controls over them. I could see having athletics (or individual health care situation, or marriage, or financial opportunity, or ... ) as one reason to change one's nationality.

I do think an incident in the last 24 hours is telling. It may suggest that Gu has not absorbed the full impact of living under China rule.
She was asked "Why can you use Instagram and millions of Chinese people from mainland cannot, why you got such special treatment as a Chinese citizen. That's not fair, can you speak up for those millions of Chinese who don't have internet freedom"
Her response was "anyone can download a vpn its literally free on the App Store".

[I *hate* the regression of language on such media.]

(Apparently the article's statement "VPNs...are illegal to operate in China" is incorrect. They apparently are legal if licensed, which then requires a stated purpose. One article I saw suggested that 30% of internet users in China are using a VPN -- that didn't seem to imply that those are licensed.)

In 2017, Apple said it was removing VPNs from it China App Store.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - cardcrimson - 02-11-2022

(02-11-2022, 01:16 PM)dabigv13 Wrote:
(02-11-2022, 12:35 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(02-11-2022, 10:41 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Yikes, her answer was pretty terrible. Would hope sports journalists would just keep asking only about that until she actually answers. Wonder when we'll get some clarity.

Why is clarity important to us? Why does she have to answer? It's her life.

Wondering how many people here hold dual citizenships. I get that China doesn't typically allow it, but there are always exceptions. As for every Chinese athlete renouncing their former country's citizenship, wasn't there a post earlier that stated that didn't appear to be the case?

Here's an article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/olympics/ct-olympics-us-born-athletes-china-20220208-t7gncjt7xbcwvnclt7f7ydlmri-story.html

"Like other foreign-born athletes representing China at the Beijing Games, Jake Chelios will play under a Chinese name. In any official Olympic context, he will be Jieke Kailiaosi. “My new name? I love it. It’s cool. It’s part of the experience. Since I’ve been over here, everything’s kind of new for me, and that’s the exciting part about playing overseas,” Chelios said at Saturday’s practice."

Feel free to crush Jake, er Jieke, as well.

Yeah, as already pointed out, if Jieke's only chance at an Olympics roster is with China, that's a much different situation than Gu's. Jieke is also not a big star getting tens of millions of dollars in promotional $$$ from Chinese companies. So the situations aren't really comparable.

Gu doesn't personally owe me shit. But I don't understand why you think she is beyond criticism.... we're on a sports message board, that's what happens here.

Where did I type that she is beyond criticism?

So help me understand. If an American athlete isn't good enough to represent the US, then it's okay for them to represent another country, but if they are good enough to represent the US, it's abhorrent if they don't. Gotta love the hypocrisy.

FWIW, Gu is half Chinese, half American. Her American dad, for some reason, is nowhere to be found and hasn't been in her life. Apparently, she's been raised by her Chinese mom and her Chinese grandmother and spends a good bit of her time living in China. So you're correct, that the situations aren't really comparable with her and many of the other American athletes competing for other nations; she has heritage and deep ties to the country for which she competes.

As far as the money, look at it this way: Gu is bringing American capitalistic ideals to communist China. Wasn't there a sports movie built around "Show me the money?" . . . .

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - martyup - 02-11-2022

Based on her performance in that press conference, one thing I think we can all agree on is that she would make a great politician.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - 2006alum - 02-11-2022

(02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)martyup Wrote: Based on her performance in that press conference, one thing I think we can all agree on is that she would make a great politician.

+1! I don't know if she'll be successful importing capitalism to China but she may be far more successful importing the American invention of the filibuster. She managed to talk for minutes while saying absolutely nothing at all and utterly ignoring the question presented.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - Papa John - 02-11-2022

Eileen Gu is competing as a Chinese athlete at an Olympics hosted by China. I have not (yet) heard a single American Olympian offer a word of protest regarding atrocities committed by the CCP, treatment of Peng Shuai or anything that would embarrass the Chinese government. So why would we expect Gu to do anything different?

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - dabigv13 - 02-11-2022

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/protesting-winter-olympics-athletes-face-certain-punishment-suggests-beijing-official

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/beijing-olympics-protest-team-usa-1298746/

I think most athletes would prefer to be out of Chinese jurisdiction before they do much in the way of overt protest or criticism.

However the criticism of Gu is because she chose to compete for China and thus participate in their sportswashing agenda. Clearly she wont say anything now, it's obvious that ship sailed once she chose China and the $$$.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - Farm93 - 02-11-2022

(02-11-2022, 05:20 PM)Papa John Wrote: Eileen Gu is competing as a Chinese athlete at an Olympics hosted by China. I have not (yet) heard a single American Olympian offer a word of protest regarding atrocities committed by the CCP, treatment of Peng Shuai or anything that would embarrass the Chinese government. So why would we expect Gu to do anything different?

Those that think any athlete is going to say something about China doesn't understand what COULD happen to the athletes.

I believe the USA athletes were told to avoid any commentary of the Chinese government while in China as they might then get to "enjoy" China for quite a long time. Gu definitely would know that as a Chinese celebrity she just might not get to leave China ever again with incorrect answers.

It is almost unfair of these reporters to ask these types of questions of the athletes, as their cute attempt at gotcha could put some of these athletes in serious peril.

Those reporters should ask the gotcha questions to the IOC leaders in Switzerland.

When will the IOC reduce the cost of hosting the Winter Olympics so that more winter cities might once again think about hosting the games?
Will the IOC consider allowing multiple cities to submit a bid together? Much as FIFA has done with countries in World Cup bids.
When will the IOC disqualify potential host cities if they don't meet some type of minimum standard on a series of human rights issues implied in the IOC's cherished Olympism (human dignity, ethical principles, etc.)?

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - 82lsju - 02-11-2022

(02-11-2022, 06:40 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/protesting-winter-olympics-athletes-face-certain-punishment-suggests-beijing-official

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/beijing-olympics-protest-team-usa-1298746/

I think most athletes would prefer to be out of Chinese jurisdiction before they do much in the way of overt protest or criticism.

However the criticism of Gu is because she chose to compete for China and thus participate in their sportswashing agenda. Clearly she wont say anything now, it's obvious that ship sailed once she chose China and the $$$.

A Ukrainan skelton rider held up a "no war in Ukraine" sign at the end of one of his runs....

the IOC says

Quote:Shortly after the race, the International Olympic Committee said there would be no repercussions for the athlete. There had been a question of whether the body might consider Heraskevych’s act a violation of Rule 50 of the Olympic Charter. That rule, in part, states that “no kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas.”

“This was a general call for peace. For the IOC the matter is closed,” the Games’ governing body said Friday night.

I'd guess the Chinese won't care much about this specific statement....

https://apnews.com/article/winter-olympics-skeleton-russia-ukraine-sports-beijing-3866f2f1c193d00f147752fee965ca68

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - JJJ - 02-12-2022

https://sports.yahoo.com/eileen-gu-and-the-repercussions-of-renouncing-us-citizenship-123345918.html

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - old spanish trail - 02-12-2022

(02-12-2022, 11:48 AM)JJJ Wrote: https://sports.yahoo.com/eileen-gu-and-the-repercussions-of-renouncing-us-citizenship-123345918.html

Very interesting article. Thanks. I've read too many articles re Gu. At this point, she appears to be a remarkable 18 year old. Also, fwiw, I've asked three first generation Chinese friends for their thoughts. They think the same.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - Branner77 - 02-13-2022

I'm with TJ. To heck with E Gu. She chose the CCP over the USA.

Too bad the LSJU admissions office can't revoke her admission. Somewhere in all of her well rehearsed fast talking is a violation of the Fundamental Standard?

Oh, and there is at least one other distant Stanford connection to Winter Oly - NBC's Mike Tirico is a current Stanford parent. His son is a junior, class of '23.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - BostonCard - 02-13-2022

LOL, gotta love the irony of Gu’s defense of China’s internet censorship being censored in China. I guess they didn’t really appreciate her comment that all you need is a VPN to get by the censorship.

https://mashable.com/article/olympics-eileen-gu-instagram-weibo-china-internet-cenorship

BC

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - cardcrimson - 02-13-2022

(02-13-2022, 03:18 PM)Branner77 Wrote: Too bad the LSJU admissions office can't revoke her admission. Somewhere in all of her well rehearsed fast talking is a violation of the Fundamental Standard?

Please tell us you weren't serious. Revoking her admission because she did something you don't agree with?!? Welcome to the New World Order.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - 82lsju - 02-13-2022

(02-13-2022, 08:08 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(02-13-2022, 03:18 PM)Branner77 Wrote: Too bad the LSJU admissions office can't revoke her admission. Somewhere in all of her well rehearsed fast talking is a violation of the Fundamental Standard?

Please tell us you weren't serious. Revoking her admission because she did something you don't agree with?!? Welcome to the New World Order.

not clear to me that she did anything to violate the fundamental standard

https://communitystandards.stanford.edu/policies-and-guidance/fundamental-standard

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - cardcrimson - 02-13-2022

(02-13-2022, 05:11 PM)BostonCard Wrote: LOL, gotta love the irony of Gu’s defense of China’s internet censorship being censored in China. I guess they didn’t really appreciate her comment that all you need is a VPN to get by the censorship.

https://mashable.com/article/olympics-eileen-gu-instagram-weibo-china-internet-cenorship

BC

Wow. I bet she'll learn quickly. Don't post content that the powers that be find contrary to their beliefs, or their sense of humor. . . .

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - BostonCard - 02-13-2022

I doubt the authorities will come down hard on their snow princess. After all, she still has options.

BC

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - Phogge - 02-14-2022

The great thing about Mike Wallace was that 99.99% of the time he wouldn’t stand for a subject skirting the question. He had ways of unmasking bullshit responses.

RE: Stanford in the Winter Olympics - JustAnotherFan - 02-18-2022

Gu won her second gold and third medal. This is a pretty good short article from ESPN. It touches on the different narratives around her in stories, her stated motivation for choosing to represent China, and her uniqueness in having access to IG for Chinese athletes. https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/33315622/eileen-gu-wins-gold-women-ski-halfpipe-third-medal-beijing-olympics

Is it possible she could represent the US in 2026? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if she went that route.