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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 07-11-2022
I moved the niner posts to this thread so they wouldn’t “pollute” the Giants thread.
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 07-29-2022
Garoppolo officially no longer in the Niners' plans, not even practicing with the team. It's Lance, Sudfeld, and Rookie Purdy doing the practicing.
Deebo Samuel at camp and close to getting his new deal after DK Metcalf - with same agent as Samuel - signed his yesterday.
Free Agent CB Charvarius Ward is turning heads and Richard Sherman says Niners Secondary should be as good as the 2019 unit.
Rookie Spencer Burford has taken all 1st string reps at RG through first two days of practices and Daniel Brunskill has only repped at Center?
Brandon Aiyuk poised for breakout season.
The Defensive Line is LOADED and Javon Kinlaw seems healthy for the first time, poised to make an impact.
Niners may have the best Linebacking unit in the NFL.
Trey Lance looking and sounding comfortable as the starting QB. Never has there been more anticipation to see a new QB on an exceptionally talented roster in Niners history. Reminds me of when a top recruit starts at QB as a RS Frosh in college.
If Lance can just be a game manager, the Niners should be really good and win 10+ games.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 05:37 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Garoppolo officially no longer in the Niners' plans, not even practicing with the team. It's Lance, Sudfeld, and Rookie Purdy doing the practicing.
Deebo Samuel at camp and close to getting his new deal after DK Metcalf - with same agent as Samuel - signed his yesterday.
Free Agent CB Charvarius Ward is turning heads and Richard Sherman says Niners Secondary should be as good as the 2019 unit.
Rookie Spencer Burford has taken all 1st string reps at RG through first two days of practices and Daniel Brunskill has only repped at Center?
Brandon Aiyuk poised for breakout season.
The Defensive Line is LOADED and Javon Kinlaw seems healthy for the first time, poised to make an impact.
Niners may have the best Linebacking unit in the NFL.
Trey Lance looking and sounding comfortable as the starting QB. Never has there been more anticipation to see a new QB on an exceptionally talented roster in Niners history. Reminds me of when a top recruit starts at QB as a RS Frosh in college.
If Lance can just be a game manager, the Niners should be really good and win 10+ games.
Every element of the 49er defense looks to be performing at an extremely high level. DL, LBs, DBs...no weaknesses, and depth everywhere. And from what I gather, expectations on special teams are very high. We've got an All-Pro FB, an All-Pro TE, at least one and maybe more exceptional receivers and running backs. And in spite of the media's very best efforts at creating a QB controversy and raking Shanahan and Lynch over the coals as to (a) trading all those picks for Lance and (b) committing to Lance who showed promise in 2021 and © not trading Super Bowl QB Garoppolo (yet), I think things are looking good at the QB position, and it may end up looking GREAT!
Really, the OL is the only question mark. We have the best LT in history, but there questions about the rest. That's not to say they're bad, but NFL average is probably the best we can hope for. Fun fact: Garoppolo gets criticism for being an average NFL QB, but he had the third quickest average release time among full-time QBs last season. Lance is considerably behind him, which is not unexpected for a very young QB.
lex24 - lex24 - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 06:12 AM)Mick Wrote:(07-29-2022, 05:37 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Garoppolo officially no longer in the Niners' plans, not even practicing with the team. It's Lance, Sudfeld, and Rookie Purdy doing the practicing.
Deebo Samuel at camp and close to getting his new deal after DK Metcalf - with same agent as Samuel - signed his yesterday.
Free Agent CB Charvarius Ward is turning heads and Richard Sherman says Niners Secondary should be as good as the 2019 unit.
Rookie Spencer Burford has taken all 1st string reps at RG through first two days of practices and Daniel Brunskill has only repped at Center?
Brandon Aiyuk poised for breakout season.
The Defensive Line is LOADED and Javon Kinlaw seems healthy for the first time, poised to make an impact.
Niners may have the best Linebacking unit in the NFL.
Trey Lance looking and sounding comfortable as the starting QB. Never has there been more anticipation to see a new QB on an exceptionally talented roster in Niners history. Reminds me of when a top recruit starts at QB as a RS Frosh in college.
If Lance can just be a game manager, the Niners should be really good and win 10+ games.
Every element of the 49er defense looks to be performing at an extremely high level. DL, LBs, DBs...no weaknesses, and depth everywhere. And from what I gather, expectations on special teams are very high. We've got an All-Pro FB, an All-Pro TE, at least one and maybe more exceptional receivers and running backs. And in spite of the media's very best efforts at creating a QB controversy and raking Shanahan and Lynch over the coals as to (a) trading all those picks for Lance and (b) committing to Lance who showed promise in 2021 and © not trading Super Bowl QB Garoppolo (yet), I think things are looking good at the QB position, and it may end up looking GREAT!
Really, the OL is the only question mark. We have the best LT in history, but there questions about the rest. That's not to say they're bad, but NFL average is probably the best we can hope for. Fun fact: Garoppolo gets criticism for being an average NFL QB, but he had the third quickest average release time among full-time QBs last season. Lance is considerably behind him, which is not unexpected for a very young QB.
Niners may have slow release time….. I don’t expect Lance to be a game manager type. Big plays. And big mistakes. High learning curve. If he’s significantly better by game 12 or so, they got something. We shall see. Defense and running game. Hmmmm.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 07-29-2022
And Armstead goes down...........
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - old spanish trail - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 08:41 PM)Phogge Wrote: And Armstead goes down...........
For three weeks?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 07-30-2022
Shanahan said Armstead will be out a few weeks. I don't know if that meant three weeks or 2-3 weeks, but it hardly matters. He doesn't need to practice and he absolutely doesn't need to play in exhibition games.
Speaking of such games... Shanahan said two things I found interesting on that topic. First, he said the Niners play 3 exhibition games in 13 days. That likely means more guys will get to play more snaps in those games than is typically the case because there is no way they are going to make the same guys play a lot of snaps over those games. The second thing Shanahan said is he would prefer to have practices than exhibition games. Spoiler alert: the only reason these games are played is for more $. Has nothing at all to do with preparing for the season. I've always thought if College Football teams can just start playing games without games that don't count, the NFL could, and apparently at least one NFL coach agrees.
On a related note, Kyle Shanahan is now my favorite coach at press time ever. He is as transparent as he possibly can be and never defensive. He is engaging and explains his reasoning without coming across as superior or arrogant, like the reporters don't know the game or aren't as knowledgable as he is. They aren't, but he never talks down to them. Really admire his demeanor.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 07-31-2022
Deebo Samuel signs for three years at $73.5 million, $58.1 million guaranteed.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-san-francisco-49ers-deebo-samuel-signs-three-year-contract-extension#:~:text=The%20San%20Francisco%2049ers%20and,million%20with%20%2458.1%20million%20guaranteed.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 08-03-2022
I believe the 2022 Niners team has the most talented roster since I started following the team closely in 1980. The best Niners teams over that time had the following position groups represented at the Pro Bowl:
1984: QB, OL, DB
1989: QB, WR, DB
1994: QB, WR, RB, TE, DL, DB
The 2022 team has proven Pro Bowl talent at: OL, WR, TE, DL, LB, DB.
It's probably the most talented roster a first time starting QB in his second year has ever started on. The Defense will be one of the top units in the NFL, which will make it easier for Lance to "live to fight another day" rather than force throws that aren't there. If he just runs the offense, limits mistakes, and makes a few plays when the called play breaks down, the Niners should win 10+ games.
Thoughts?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - old spanish trail - 08-03-2022
(08-03-2022, 12:52 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I believe the 2022 Niners team has the most talented roster since I started following the team closely in 1980. The best Niners teams over that time had the following position groups represented at the Pro Bowl:
1984: QB, OL, DB
1989: QB, WR, DB
1994: QB, WR, RB, TE, DL, DB
The 2022 team has proven Pro Bowl talent at: OL, WR, TE, DL, LB, DB.
It's probably the most talented roster a first time starting QB in his second year has ever started on. The Defense will be one of the top units in the NFL, which will make it easier for Lance to "live to fight another day" rather than force throws that aren't there. If he just runs the offense, limits mistakes, and makes a few plays when the called play breaks down, the Niners should win 10+ games.
Thoughts?
It's possible Outsider. Biggest issue is OL. there are several brobdingnagian issues there.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 08-03-2022
The OL is more of a question mark than an issue to be concerned about at this point, IMO.
One positive for me is the fact rookie Spencer Burford has clearly supplanted the worst 2021 OL starter, Daniel Brunskill at RG. So we know RG will be improved even if a rookie plays there. That leaves LG and C as the questions.
Brunskill has played C before and is in the mix to start there along with Jake Brendel. Niners fans living as prisoners in the moment last year largely declared the current LG, 2nd year former 2nd rd pick, Aaron Banks a bust, but Shanahan said he was close to playing over Brunskill at RG as a rookie after recovering from injury, so he is not a bust. It will be hard to be as consistent as Laken Tomlinson, but if Banks is better than 2021 Brunskill at RG, OL might not be an issue. That said, it does seem OL is the weakest position group on the team. The other groups are just absolutely loaded with top end players.
One more thing about the OL. Some very young guys on the interior are facing an experienced and talented Front 7 that will challenge even the best and most experienced OLs in the NFL.
The Athletic reports 6-1 300 G and UFA Jason Poe has moved to 2nd team and is more than holding his own in 1-1 pass rush blocking drills. That's pretty damn impressive. Even though short with long arms, he has quickness not common to the position and doesn't get pushed around. Will be fun to see him playing the exhibition games.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 08-03-2022
(08-03-2022, 01:00 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(08-03-2022, 12:52 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I believe the 2022 Niners team has the most talented roster since I started following the team closely in 1980. The best Niners teams over that time had the following position groups represented at the Pro Bowl:
1984: QB, OL, DB
1989: QB, WR, DB
1994: QB, WR, RB, TE, DL, DB
The 2022 team has proven Pro Bowl talent at: OL, WR, TE, DL, LB, DB.
It's probably the most talented roster a first time starting QB in his second year has ever started on. The Defense will be one of the top units in the NFL, which will make it easier for Lance to "live to fight another day" rather than force throws that aren't there. If he just runs the offense, limits mistakes, and makes a few plays when the called play breaks down, the Niners should win 10+ games.
Thoughts?
It's possible Outsider. Biggest issue is OL. there are several of immense proportions issues there.
I saw that last year's 2nd round selection Aaron Banks and this year's 4th round selection Spencer Burford have taken all the first team snaps at LG and RG respectively. They're going for broke with two very young OL's, sandwiched by two experienced tackles. At C, we don't know if it's going to be Daniel Brunskill or Jake Brendel.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 08-03-2022
It's not about the OL. Or the Defense. Or anything else besides the QB. The Niners have bet the farm that Trey is the guy. That's all that matters for this team. Period. First reports from camp about Trey aren't glowing.
I hope I'm wrong, but I was a Mac Jones guy from way back. . . .
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-03-2022
Maurice Hurst on season long IR. Depth at DT vanishing. Kinlaw practiced for a day then given a rest day. I don't expect much from him. Nmkendice (I know spelling is as bad as Bobbbbb's) fired up. So far an abject failure with two teams. Once considered one of the best HS lineman ever.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 08-03-2022
(08-03-2022, 06:42 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: It's not about the OL. Or the Defense. Or anything else besides the QB. The Niners have bet the farm that Trey is the guy. That's all that matters for this team. Period. First reports from camp about Trey aren't glowing.
I hope I'm wrong, but I was a Mac Jones guy from way back. . . .
Dead wrong. Sorry. If you can’t play defense or block I don’t care who your quarterback is. If they have a tremendous defense and can run the football they’ll be good. There’s going to be a learning curve. But let’s see how he’s playing about week 12
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 08-04-2022
Every NFL game Javon Kinlaw has played was with an undiagnosed torn ACL. He had his most extensive practice so far yesterday. I don't know how pessimism about him is warranted. I'm quite intrigued by a DT pair of Armstead and Kinlaw.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-04-2022
Not warranted? BS. He has done nothing so far. As for depth a bunch of guys who have done little. And your best guy is out for “weeks.”
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 08-04-2022
(08-04-2022, 04:40 AM)Phogge Wrote: Not warranted? BS. He has done nothing so far. As for depth a bunch of guys who have done little. And your best guy is out for “weeks.”
The correct word to use with Kinlaw is skepticism. We don't know how he can play with a properly functioning knee. If Kinlaw had played poorly with a healthy knee for two years, pessimism that he will improve in year three would be warranted. Although, that said, Arik Armstead wan't great shakes his first couple years either. He really didn't come into his own until year 4 or 5, and he's proven better at DT that he didn't play consistently until his 7th season.
Speaking of Armstead, him being out "weeks" means the middle of a donut. He's one of the players on the team who has no reason whatsoever to play in exhibition games. He'll be ready for the season opener which is more than a month away.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 08-04-2022
DeShawn Watson was suspended for six games, which seems like a slap in the wrist. The NFL agrees, and has appealed his suspension, with a final decision by Roger Goodell. One reasonable outcome is a one year suspension after the appeal. (As an aside, the allegations, from multiple women, were credible and publicly known. WTF were the Browns thinking trading three!!! first round picks and signing him for a record setting contract.)
How is this relevant to the Niners?
https://theathletic.com/3476605/2022/08/03/deshaun-watson-suspension-nfl-appeal-browns/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220804&instance_id=68416&nl=the-morning®i_id=112348342&segment_id=100411&te=1&user_id=ceb8dc75e6018f57e5d7fc74f24220a2
Beyond Watson, the Browns have Josh Donna, Josh Rosen (really?) and Jacoby Brissett. The Athletic thinks that if Watson is supended for a year, the Browns might make a play for Jimmy Garoppolo. Good for the Niners, the Browns what they deserve.
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-04-2022
So OF do you have inside info or have you looked at the X-Rays of Armstead? Are you a practicing orthopedist? He's in his eighth year and played most every down at Oregon. Knees are tricky. I actually have one just like that.