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RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 11-10-2022
I expected both of those moves. Longo was too expensive to bring back. No one wants him. He's good for a one year contract as a backup against lefties.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BostonCard - 11-10-2022
https://www.eisneramper.com/jock-tax-planning-tx-blog-0322/
If you want to figure the impact of taxes.
BC
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-10-2022, 08:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-10-2022, 07:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wins above rep.. horseshit.
WAR is walking point in the jungle, scared out of your wits.
I didn’t post this for a discussion of the pros and cons of Wins Above Replacement. Just as a (hopefully) fun exercise.
Strictly a guess since I don’t follow WAR as a stat.
Turner
Swanson
Correa
Bogaerts
By the way, forget about Turner as a possible SF signee. Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
1. Bogaerts -5.7
2. Swanson - 5.5
3. Correa - 5.4
4. Turner - 4.9
Not a big difference. Turner is, I believe the worst defensively of the. 4.
(11-10-2022, 11:48 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-10-2022, 11:14 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote: Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
Where did Baggarly say this? I just read his article today reporting on Giants Free Agent talk from Las Vegas and saw no such language.
He did say in this article that Trea Turner has reportedly said he wants to be close to home on the East Coast, but nothing definitive as "there is a near zero chance of signing him."
Baggarly also mentions "CA taxes" and "weird San Francisco politics" in his article, as reasons that might dissuade some Free Agents from wanting to sign with the Giants. Playing close to home is a believable desire, but the other stuff seems like straw men to me, because players don't usually make their homes in the cities they play. Aubrey Huff never would have signed with the Giants if he was really concerned about the S.F political culture. He signed with Giants because they paid him the most money, which is the reason most Free Agents sign where they do.
On a related note, the only way the Giants sign Judge is if he takes less money to play for the Giants because he wants to be closer to home. There is no way the Yankees will be outbid. They have to be able to say "we offered more, but he wanted to be closer to home." That's the only way NY will not KILL the Yankees if Judge leaves. If the Giants offer more than the Yankees, the Yankees will never hear the end of it, so the Giants kind of have a built in home town discount of sorts with Judge. That discount won't be much, Judge will make obscene money no matter what, but the biggest contract offered will be from the Yankees.
He responded to a question in the comments section. Here is the exact quote, “Privately, I hear that there is zero reason for them to believe Turner would sign with them.” Take a look.
CA taxes are definitely an issue. I have read numerous articles addressing that issue as it relates to highly paid athletes. Having said that, most California-based teams offer additional monies to players to cover that concern.
Also, I think the political climate in the Bay Area may be an issue for some players. In this era of “if you disagree with me, you must be a horrible person”, who knows what drives players to make their decisions.
Money is still the clear number #1 but don’t discount other factors as being weighty.
“CA taxes are definitely an issue. I have read numerous articles addressing that issue as it relates to highly paid athletes. Having said that, most California-based teams offer additional monies to players to cover that concern.”
Yep. Dodgers and Pads don’t seem to have an issue signing who they want. Neither do Warriors, Lakers, 49ers and Rams. They get past the tax and/or politics.
I’m tired of excuses. Giants have needed a closer for years. And I’m not talking about a guy to pitch the 9th.
If they strike out this year it’s a massive organizational failure.
I
(11-10-2022, 05:38 PM)Mick Wrote: I expected both of those moves. Longo was too expensive to bring back. No one wants him. He's good for a one year contract as a backup against lefties.
Longo still has value. Just not $13 million worth. $19.5 for a slow, platoon DH seems high. But as long as it doesn’t make it more difficult to sign a whale or two, it ain’t my money…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 11-14-2022
What’s the latest on Rodon or did I miss the we don’t need him? I sure want him
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-14-2022
(11-14-2022, 09:36 AM)BobK Wrote: What’s the latest on Rodon or did I miss the we don’t need him? I sure want him
He is drawing significant interest and is expected to receive a Gausman-like contract offer. I don’t see SF as his destination.
Instead….
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/Giants-looking-at-hard-throwing-pitcher-Kodai-17577731.php
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-15-2022
A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/giants-announce-several-roster-moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 04:58 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/giants-announce-several-roster-moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
As was Tristan Beck. Jarlin Garcia and Jason Vosler among those released ( DFA’d) Donovan Walton still on 40. One wonders why….. Also Will Wilson not protected. Zaidi whiffed on that one. But still an acceptable risk imo. Only money lost…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 05:30 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 04:58 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/giants-announce-several-roster-moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
As was Tristan Beck. Jarlin Garcia and Jason Vosler among those released ( DFA’d) Donovan Walton still on 40. One wonders why….. Also Will Wilson not protected. Zaidi whiffed on that one. But still an acceptable risk imo. Only money lost…..
I think they kept Walton just to annoy Phogge…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-15-2022
Walton has pictures of Farhan with a chicken. That is the only plausible explanation.
To possibly lose Pomiares for a bum is mind blowing.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 11-15-2022
Giants just traded High-A minor leaguer Tristan Peters to the Tampa Bay Rays for infielder Brett Wisely. He's 23 and hit .820 OPS across AA and AAA last year. Had 15 HRs and 32 stolen bases, plays all four infield spots, but primarily second base. Farhan says Wisely can help the big club next year.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - qwerty49 - 11-16-2022
(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-16-2022
(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
I hope it’s a deep pool! If they are under $200,000,000 and fail to land a whale I see big trouble.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 11-16-2022
(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 11-16-2022
(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
I think Pederson needs to be the fourth best, and really the fifth or sixth best player signed this season.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 11-16-2022
(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
Yep. My thought precisely.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 11-17-2022
(11-16-2022, 02:58 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
Yep. My thought precisely.
Pederson's interesting. He has his second All-Star year last year, and a number of his metrics were at or near career highs, including batting average (considerably higher than his best year), triples, OBP, OPS and RBI. His WAR+ was easily the best of his career. He's 30 years old, and had by far the most HRs on the team. I suspect Zaidi thinks he might achieve another gear, some guys bloom late. He wasn't in great shape, if he gets in better shape -- which he might do, inspired by the addition of 2-4 studs around him -- he could really be something.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 11-18-2022
Giants signed Scott Alexander to a 1 year/$1.15 million deal.
Giants sign Scott Alexander to 1-year, $1.15 million deal, avoiding arbitration - McCovey Chronicles
Next starting left fielder for the Giants might come from overseas...from the East, not the South:
Why Masataka Yoshida might be the SF Giants next starting LF - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
They're already talking long term extension with Webb:
As Giants' Logan Webb hits arbitration, long-term contract could be next step - NBC Sports Bay Area
Signing Trea Turner should be the priority. We didn't get Harper, we didn't get Stanton, we won't get Aaron Judge:
San Francisco Giants free-agent profile: Trea Turner - The Athletic
Will the Giants land Aaron Judge in free agency? Of course not. - McCovey Chronicles
Keep Rodon? Maybe...
3 top reasons why Carlos Rodón would want to remain with the SF Giants (aroundthefoghorn.com)
Three very attractive pitchers:
Chris Bassitt
Ross Stripling
Taijuan Walker
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 11-18-2022
One very attractive pitcher:
Jenny Finch