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RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - WBB fan - 11-25-2022

The rebounding dominance is awesome, makes up for the turnovers

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-25-2022

Stanford 3PT% 33%
FGCU 3PT% 28%

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - martyup - 11-25-2022

We finally got our offense rolling in the 4th quarter, scoring 32 points.
We've got to get more than 16 minutes of Brink on the floor.  It seems like this season she's been called for more offensive fouls than defensive.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-25-2022

I find it surprising that Jones drew no fouls in 18 shots.  Was she not attacking the basket, or were the opponents parting the seas, or were the officials swallowing their whistles for fouls on her?

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - WBB fan - 11-25-2022

That 4th quarter took care of things, just wish they could have started playing that well sooner. Even got (barely) to a positive assist/turnover ratio (15/14). Only player who didn't score was Fran, and she was barely in. Wish Betts had played more. By the end, a lot of good things in this game, but it took a while! The one positive from the opening tip was our rebounding, totally controlling the boards.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - 81alum - 11-25-2022

FGCU does not attempt to rebound.  Seriously.  Part of their analytics.  If we did NOT dominate rebounding in this game there would be something very seriously wrong.

Very nice to see Iriafen get on track, even with 4 fouls.

After 6 turnovers in the 1st quarter, we had 8 more the rest of the game.

After shooting so poorly in the 1st quarter, we wound up shooting 52%.  Awesome.

After giving up 4/7 treys, we held them to 9/39 the rest of the way, for an overall 28%, after we went to the 1-big over the 2-big sets.

Jump 36 minutes, Jones 33 minutes, Lepolo 32 minutes, no one else over 16.

Jones had a fabulous day, 24 points and 14 rebounds and 3 assists.

Iriafen did well with limited minutes and playing with 4 fouls at the end--16 points and 11 rebounds in only 14 minutes.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - chimera - 11-25-2022

Only saw the stats and that it was relatively close but we pulled away late.  FGCU is a pretty good team.  They made the NCAAs last season and often do.  They are tough to play with the unorthodox style.  Wow, they shot a ton of threes.  Nice stats for Jones, good rebound game from the SC struggle.  Good to hear that Bosgana did well.  I would like to see more of her.  Hope Prechtel is ok.  I assume she is not in that bad shape since she did travel with the team.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-25-2022

Interesting to note that +/- had Jones (11) well behind 4 other players (Jump 21, Lepolo 18, Nivar 16, Emma-Nnopu 14).  I guess that may correlate the opponent draining 3s while she was in. (Irafen & Bosgana were 3)

Against So.Car., counting only players with more than a few minutes, it was Brink +7, Lepolo -2, Iriafen -6, Jump&Jones -7, Prechtel -10.

I guess there really are two ends to a basketball court.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - 81alum - 11-25-2022

Here is a whopper:  Points in the paint, Stanford 56 FGCU 22.  I guess that is expected with their unorthodox play, sort of like 58:21 rebounds.

As for the +/-, I've never understood whether it is helpful for a single game, comparing players who play 33 minutes with those who play 3.  But among starters Jump was tops at 21, Lepolo at 18, Brink at 10, Jones at 11, and Iriafen down at 3.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - BostonCard - 11-25-2022

(11-25-2022, 03:44 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  
(11-25-2022, 03:33 PM)martyup Wrote:  Our offense seems to be struggling.  Relying too much on Haley.  We only have 1 assist.

That's pathetic. Sounds like a lot of hero ball. 

Why rely on Haley who was 5 for 19 last game? 

Is Brink capable of not getting into foul trouble?
Frankly, being up by 4 at the half against FGCU is unimpressive, to put it gently. 1 for 9 from deep. Poor.

Haley led the team in points (24 pts), rebounds (14) and was second in assists (3) behind Lepolo. She shot 12/18. She was the best player on the floor today.

BC

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-25-2022

(11-25-2022, 05:13 PM)81alum Wrote:  As for the +/-, I've never understood whether it is helpful for a single game, comparing players who play 33 minutes with those who play 3.  But among starters Jump was tops at 21, Lepolo at 18, Brink at 10, Jones at 11, and Iriafen down at 3.

It is an indication of how the team does against an opponent with a player in.  It is influenced by the other players on the court (teammates & opponents).  Two players that play the exact same portions of the game will have the same +/-.   It is probably most useful comparing players that played, say, about half the game (not fully overlapping).

Any player that played all the first 3 quarters would be +8 on Stanford's side or -8 on FGCU's side.  Players that were in during the last quarter when Stanford pulled away will get the benefit (or deficit), appropriately so.  

In Jones's case, she went out in the first when the score was 8-14 and came back in when it was 15-14.  Stanford scored 7 and prevented the other team from scoring any during that time.  The Stanford players in during that time get +7 while Jones gets 0.   Why Stanford did relatively better during that time doesn't matter.

The things I like about +/- are that it directly correlates to the score differential (and thus who wins) and that it includes all the little things like denying the ball to an opponent, screening to open up your shooter, etc. that otherwise don't show up in statistics.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - 2006alum - 11-25-2022

Only been able to view the box score, but FWIW, I think FGCU was a very bad matchup for us since our weaknesses this season are guard defense, perimeter defense, and the ability to launch a high volume of three pointers. Given all that, I'm pretty happy with a 20-point win. 

I also think Jones's hero ball works best against a (much) smaller team like FGCU, and suspect Tara gave her the green light, and Jones wants to make amends for the SCAR game. And FWIW, in my view, the reason she wasn't finding success against SCAR with those same moves around the paint is that SCAR has legitimate height (and even more impressively, length) inside, and she was simply denied again and again.

Part of the reason why Jones dominated in HS in a way she hasn't in college is that her moves and her height are almost impossible to counter unless you have highly mobile/agile post players. The only player I can recall who's under 6' and has really owned Jones defensively was Bendu Yeaney from Arizona last season. Otherwise, teams need height and length to keep Jones from being Jones, and I'm guessing FGCU was lacking it today.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - stopandpop - 11-25-2022

Sorry for the delayed post. I was at the game and here are my takeaways.

Kiki was a beast. She had FGCU players literally hanging on her arms with put backs and very few fouls.  Same with Brink. 

I rarely comment on officiating, but 2 of the 3 officials were inconsistent. When Cam was whistled for a foul in the 2nd. Q. making one of her signature moves from the foul line and an FGCU player moving, Tara became furious.

Elena came in and played quality offense and defense.

Another strong game from Talana, but she is not finding open players like Cam or Lauren when they have sealed their defender and calling for the ball. I think she will gain that vision in time.

Indya came in and did well. 

When she was on the court, Cam was pumped and played exceptionally well. Foul shooting looked smooth. Same motion and release, but those darn fouls!

As well as Kiki played, it was Haley who put the dagger in in the 4th.

Very hard to defend FGCU.  EVERY player who has the ball, then passes,runs back to the perimeter and if we were a tiny bit late defending them, they’d shoot the 3.

Lastly, our size and length began to take a toll on them late in the 3rd and really tired them in the 4th. Their quickness had evaporated.

Nice Stanford representation

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - CompSci87 - 11-25-2022

(11-25-2022, 03:04 PM)jonnyss Wrote:  
(11-24-2022, 04:17 PM)Erika Wrote:  
(11-24-2022, 10:41 AM)crackpot Wrote:  Got momentarily excited when looking at the ESPN+ schedule for Saturday and saw Stanford listed. That is, until my eyes cleared and saw they are showing Stamford.

Looks like it is here. Came up when I logged in to ESPN+

well, i just paid for espn+, but i only see stats, not a video feed.

Only the Sunday game against Hawaii will be on ESPN+.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - JJJ - 11-25-2022

Haley was on fire today. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClaHOTxvl_E/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - cardfan1996 - 11-25-2022

Who was guarding #4 for FGCU (Tishara Morehouse) and why weren’t they successful? Did anyone have success defending #4?

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - 81alum - 11-25-2022

(11-25-2022, 08:06 PM)JJJ Wrote:  Haley was on fire today. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClaHOTxvl_E/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
Nice to see some actual footage of the game!
(11-25-2022, 09:15 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  Who was guarding #4 for FGCU (Tishara Morehouse) and why weren’t they successful? Did anyone have success defending #4?
Morehouse is their leading scorer, at 17ppg, and hitting 37% from three point range.  She is also 5'3".  I too am interested to know who was defending her.  My guess is Lepolo?

Both Grambling and Hawaii are led by short, speedy, three point shooting guards, so there is more coming.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - JJJ - 11-25-2022

For those who don’t IG.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wbbworldwide/status/1596318712969465856?s=46&t=gV4z9uGboeyUIVK0RHZ5yw[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stanfordwbb/status/1596361285079179265?s=46&t=4So88f60PsbtlGgQ2FYOlg[/tweet]
(11-25-2022, 10:40 PM)81alum Wrote:  
(11-25-2022, 08:06 PM)JJJ Wrote:  Haley was on fire today. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClaHOTxvl_E/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
Nice to see some actual footage of the game!
(11-25-2022, 09:15 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  Who was guarding #4 for FGCU (Tishara Morehouse) and why weren’t they successful? Did anyone have success defending #4?
Morehouse is their leading scorer, at 17ppg, and hitting 37% from three point range.  She is also 5'3".  I too am interested to know who was defending her.  My guess is Lepolo?

Both Grambling and Hawaii are led by short, speedy, three point shooting guards, so there is more coming.
#0 and #4 ran circles around everyone and had quick releases. No FGCU players crashed the boards after putting up a shot. We had many good looks up close that just didn’t fall in the first 2.5 quarters but it all regressed to the mean.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - cardfan1996 - 11-26-2022

#0 didn’t do much according to the boxscore (6pts, 0 assist).

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - 81alum - 11-26-2022

Morehouse was #4.  The not-crashing-the-boards is part of their unorthodox strategy.  That is why we had 19 second chance points to their 4, but they had 11 fast break points to our 6.

Their coach is very creative and it is intriguing how he has built such a competitive program around this weird style of play and short players.  30-3 and the second round of the NCAAs is nothing to sneeze at.  FGCU is a stronger program than many Pac-12 schools.  The FGCU site likes to brag that his winning percentage is higher than Geno's or Tara's--not mentioning (of course) the level of competition.  

So who was defending #4?