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RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - BobK - 06-22-2022
https://twitter.com/codyjensen28/status/1539652164494143488?s=21&t=9DKAM5l-IKCI0gXfce6Kiw
Jensen moving on.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - BobK - 06-22-2022
https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/news/CA/2022-State-Player-of-the-Year-Malcolm-Moore-6581749302
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - cardfan77 - 06-22-2022
(06-22-2022, 01:38 PM)BobK Wrote: https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/news/CA/2022-State-Player-of-the-Year-Malcolm-Moore-6581749302
How likely is he to sign an NLI with Stanford?
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - Langdude - 06-22-2022
Jensen for Moore? Classic trade. Veteran middle reliever for a catching prospect as the dog days of summer approach...
-m.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - BobK - 06-22-2022
Moore is a 2022 he already signed a NLI
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - Brickcity - 06-22-2022
(06-22-2022, 05:39 PM)BobK Wrote: Moore is a 2022 he already signed a NLI
Moore has the look of a guy who will be a day-one starter. Though, admittedly, doing so as a catcher has got to be tough.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - TonyLima - 06-24-2022
(06-22-2022, 08:40 AM)fullmetal Wrote:(06-21-2022, 09:47 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-21-2022, 08:07 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Next year is irrelevant (and the future, for that matter). We don't have a chance against the SEC.
Need to check SEC pitchers for illegal stuff on the ball. Some of those pitches violated at least one law of physics.
Some of those ball/strike calls violated the rules of baseball.
Agree. But it’s easier to find goo on a ball than to get NCAA to hire decent umpires. Never forget Brandon Cooper.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - TonyLima - 06-25-2022
I continue to update my Stanford Baseball Highlights 2022 playlist on Youtube. Still missing: the 3 Super-Regional games. Give me a few more weeks. Click here to see the playlist.
Spike - Spike - 07-07-2022
Can anyone explain to me why D1Baseball picks us as the #4 team next year?
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - Spiny_Norman - 07-07-2022
Speaking of Stanford baseball, can anyone confirm that it is true that Alex Williams, the P12 Pitcher of the Year and Stanford's 2021-22 male recipient of the Pac-12 Tom Hansen Conference Medal, is in the transfer portal? https://stanford.rivals.com/news/alex-williams-enters-the-grad-transfer-portal
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - VB Card - 07-07-2022
(07-07-2022, 02:04 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Speaking of Stanford baseball, can anyone confirm that it is true that Alex Williams, the P12 Pitcher of the Year and Stanford's 2021-22 male recipient of the Pac-12 Tom Hansen Conference Medal, is in the transfer portal? https://stanford.rivals.com/news/alex-williams-enters-the-grad-transfer-portal
Yes it is true. He wasn't expected back anyways, but his postseason play killed his draft stock so a move away is probably best for both parties. We still need some pitchers to step up though.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - JJJ - 07-08-2022
Great read by Lombardi on Brock Jones that he highlighted on his own IG story, for those who subscribe. Paywalled.
https://theathletic.com/3400266/2022/07/08/brock-jones-mlb-draft-stanford/
RE: Spike - CTcard - 07-11-2022
(07-07-2022, 01:25 PM)Spike Wrote: Can anyone explain to me why D1Baseball picks us as the #4 team next year?
Presumably because whomever did the ranking things Stanford will be the fourth best team.
I suspect this means you think Stanford will be worse than fourth.
Maybe, but it doesn't seem unreasonable on its face.
Stanford was presumably somewhere between the second and eighth best team this past year (second overall seed in the tournament, second best odds to win going into Omaha, tied for 7th/8th on actual results in NCAA tournament).
Stanford will have a notably experienced team next year, in a sport where high turnover is the norm.
The core of the 2022 team were sophomores, particularly the pitching staff, making the core of 2023 juniors.
Stanford has a realistic chance to have as many as 7 hitters back next year and has two identifiable replacements.
Stanford has a pile of arms returning, including their end of year #2, 3, 4 starters (Dowd, Dixon, Uber in some order) and their top two live arms (Bruno, Montgomery).
It's essentially always true in baseball that to have a good year, some folks have to make substantial development. This past year both Brett Barrera and moreso Carter Graham were happy surprises, Bruno really came along late, Uber was a strong frosh pitcher and Montgomery was probably even better than anticipated. To end up as a top team next year Stanford will need some similar emergent players, but less so than usual and likely less so than many other top teams.
Of course to really have an opinion on just where Stanford should be ranked one must evaluate every competing team, which I am not in position to do.
(07-07-2022, 04:28 PM)VB Card Wrote:(07-07-2022, 02:04 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Speaking of Stanford baseball, can anyone confirm that it is true that Alex Williams, the P12 Pitcher of the Year and Stanford's 2021-22 male recipient of the Pac-12 Tom Hansen Conference Medal, is in the transfer portal? https://stanford.rivals.com/news/alex-williams-enters-the-grad-transfer-portal
Yes it is true. He wasn't expected back anyways, but his postseason play killed his draft stock so a move away is probably best for both parties. We still need some pitchers to step up though.
Williams' situation is a little curious.
He was never a very strong draft prospect.
Being Pac 12 pitcher of the year would probably have led to him being drafted somewhere, but it was never going to be very high.
You are probably correct that the postseason collapse would derail that.
Williams' postseason this year was surprising. It's not that he can't perform under pressure or against the best teams. His career postseason record going into this year was 4 starts, 4-0 record, 2 complete games, 2.37 ERA, 0.76 WHIP.
This year's postseason was enough out of character that I suspected some kind of injury, but I haven't heard anything on that.
He's been a very good college pitcher, and presumably still would be for another year. However, I can see why from his point of view that simply hanging around wouldn't be getting him anywhere.
RE: Spike - Ballbuster - 07-19-2022
(07-11-2022, 11:08 AM)CTcard Wrote:(07-07-2022, 01:25 PM)Spike Wrote: Can anyone explain to me why D1Baseball picks us as the #4 team next year?
Presumably because whomever did the ranking things Stanford will be the fourth best team.
I suspect this means you think Stanford will be worse than fourth.
Maybe, but it doesn't seem unreasonable on its face.
Stanford was presumably somewhere between the second and eighth best team this past year (second overall seed in the tournament, second best odds to win going into Omaha, tied for 7th/8th on actual results in NCAA tournament).
Stanford will have a notably experienced team next year, in a sport where high turnover is the norm.
The core of the 2022 team were sophomores, particularly the pitching staff, making the core of 2023 juniors.
Stanford has a realistic chance to have as many as 7 hitters back next year and has two identifiable replacements.
Stanford has a pile of arms returning, including their end of year #2, 3, 4 starters (Dowd, Dixon, Uber in some order) and their top two live arms (Bruno, Montgomery).
It's essentially always true in baseball that to have a good year, some folks have to make substantial development. This past year both Brett Barrera and moreso Carter Graham were happy surprises, Bruno really came along late, Uber was a strong frosh pitcher and Montgomery was probably even better than anticipated. To end up as a top team next year Stanford will need some similar emergent players, but less so than usual and likely less so than many other top teams.
Of course to really have an opinion on just where Stanford should be ranked one must evaluate every competing team, which I am not in position to do.
(07-07-2022, 04:28 PM)VB Card Wrote:(07-07-2022, 02:04 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Speaking of Stanford baseball, can anyone confirm that it is true that Alex Williams, the P12 Pitcher of the Year and Stanford's 2021-22 male recipient of the Pac-12 Tom Hansen Conference Medal, is in the transfer portal? https://stanford.rivals.com/news/alex-williams-enters-the-grad-transfer-portal
Yes it is true. He wasn't expected back anyways, but his postseason play killed his draft stock so a move away is probably best for both parties. We still need some pitchers to step up though.
Williams' situation is a little curious.
He was never a very strong draft prospect.
Being Pac 12 pitcher of the year would probably have led to him being drafted somewhere, but it was never going to be very high.
You are probably correct that the postseason collapse would derail that.
Williams' postseason this year was surprising. It's not that he can't perform under pressure or against the best teams. His career postseason record going into this year was 4 starts, 4-0 record, 2 complete games, 2.37 ERA, 0.76 WHIP.
This year's postseason was enough out of character that I suspected some kind of injury, but I haven't heard anything on that.
He's been a very good college pitcher, and presumably still would be for another year. However, I can see why from his point of view that simply hanging around wouldn't be getting him anywhere.
I guess we shall soon see, he was drafted in the 11th round by the Marlins.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - msqueri - 07-19-2022
I am very bullish on Stanford baseball for next year. Two consecutive College World Series appearances provides strong evidence of a healthy program. The lineup will be INSANE. We lose some pitching but hardly all of it.
Something I've observed as a peculiar logical fallacy of college sports fans is projecting out the future team based on the current baseline minus what departs. This gets college sports all wrong. What's beautiful about college sports is that it's the Reverse McConaughey. Whereas the creepy Wooderson loved high school girls because as he got older they stayed the same age, we all love college sports in part because as we stay the same age (well, not literally, but what's one additional year when you're a grown-up?) the players get older. As a result, they get a lot better. It's great fun to watch the year-to-year growth of college athletes, which can be enormous.
In practice, what this means is that it's a mistake to think about what healthy programs lose. If a program is recruiting and/or developing at a high level, the loss of the departed gets offset by the combination of the improvements of the returned and the new contributions of the incoming. Last year's Stanford baseball team had 85 home runs and returned 53 of them. This year's Stanford baseball team had 118 home runs. While it's unclear who all will return, by themselves Carter, Montgomery, Bowser, and Troy return 65 home runs. With even modest year to year improvement (and there may be massive year-to-year improvement) and the practically assured breakout by one or more other players, it's looking extremely bright for the Stanford lineup in 2022.
I think about Stanford football's experience in our heyday. Our defense got better. Our defense got better as soon as it lost Trent Murphy, Shayne Skov, Ed Reynolds, and Ben Gardner. Huh? How is that possible? Well it happened. The reason is that in college sports it's about who you have, not who you're losing. If you're great like Stanford's 2013-2014 football defense or 2022-2023 baseball lineup, you can be great even after losing a lot. With who we have, I think top five in the country absolutely sounds plausible for this team.
Spike - Spike - 07-19-2022
Williams and Mathews gone now.
Who’s going to pitch us back to the CWS?
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - BobK - 07-19-2022
Drafted 19th isn’t signed
RE: Spike - msqueri - 07-19-2022
(07-19-2022, 02:47 PM)Spike Wrote: Williams and Mathews gone now.
Who’s going to pitch us back to the CWS?
The same way we did without Brendan Beck and Zach Grech this year. It's about who you have, not who you lost.
Last year Williams pitched 55.1 innings. This year he pitched 101.1 innings. Last year Mathews completely sucked (6.07 ERA 1.44 WHIP). This year he was a completely different pitcher (3.08 ERA, 1.27 WHIP).
All we need is for players to get better, which always happens. In 2021, we had eight pitchers with 35+ innings and five of them returned, only two with sub-3.50 ERAs. In 2022, we had seven pitchers with 35+ innings and if Williams and Mathews both leave, five of them will return, only two with sub-3.50 ERAs. The exact situation returning.
If you think Dowd, Dixon, Uber, Bruno, and Pancer will be the exact same pitchers then of course you'd be gloomy about 2023 pitching. But they won't. Bruno and Pancer, who were good in 2022, will pitch many more innings, and somebody else will improve. It really only takes one among Dowd, Dixon, and Uber.
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - MiniBlueHawkCard - 07-19-2022
(07-19-2022, 02:52 PM)BobK Wrote: Drafted 19th isn’t signed
I always want what is best for the player, especially a guy like Quinn who willingly turned into a swiss army knife which turned a struggling team into the No. 2 team in the country and Pac 12 champs. It seems like a proven, versatile, left handed arm would be more attractive than a 19th round selection. If he can come back and boost his stock I would be overjoyed. However, watching Alex Williams win Pac 12 pitcher of the year and not exactly skyrocket up the draft boards makes me wonder if their is a path to a higher selection for Quinn (obviously each player is a totally different case study so this comparison likely means nothing).
RE: Stanford Baseball TO THE CWS! - Ballbuster - 07-19-2022
(07-19-2022, 01:41 PM)msqueri Wrote: I am very bullish on Stanford baseball for next year. Two consecutive College World Series appearances provides strong evidence of a healthy program. The lineup will be INSANE. We lose some pitching but hardly all of it.
Something I've observed as a peculiar logical fallacy of college sports fans is projecting out the future team based on the current baseline minus what departs. This gets college sports all wrong. What's beautiful about college sports is that it's the Reverse McConaughey. Whereas the creepy Wooderson loved high school girls because as he got older they stayed the same age, we all love college sports in part because as we stay the same age (well, not literally, but what's one additional year when you're a grown-up?) the players get older. As a result, they get a lot better. It's great fun to watch the year-to-year growth of college athletes, which can be enormous.
In practice, what this means is that it's a mistake to think about what healthy programs lose. If a program is recruiting and/or developing at a high level, the loss of the departed gets offset by the combination of the improvements of the returned and the new contributions of the incoming. Last year's Stanford baseball team had 85 home runs and returned 53 of them. This year's Stanford baseball team had 118 home runs. While it's unclear who all will return, by themselves Carter, Montgomery, Bowser, and Troy return 65 home runs. With even modest year to year improvement (and there may be massive year-to-year improvement) and the practically assured breakout by one or more other players, it's looking extremely bright for the Stanford lineup in 2022.
I think about Stanford football's experience in our heyday. Our defense got better. Our defense got better as soon as it lost Trent Murphy, Shayne Skov, Ed Reynolds, and Ben Gardner. Huh? How is that possible? Well it happened. The reason is that in college sports it's about who you have, not who you're losing. If you're great like Stanford's 2013-2014 football defense or 2022-2023 baseball lineup, you can be great even after losing a lot. With who we have, I think top five in the country absolutely sounds plausible for this team.
It is always those who never played at a high level, who are the biggest critics. I agree with you in regards to what is lost, and what is developed. This team had a good staff last year, and was able to get back to Omaha on a sub par staff who pitched out of their tree this year. If last year's Omaha team had the full fall to develop, the outcome would have been different. Look what Esquer and his staff did with this team this year with a full fall with a full team.
Getting to Omaha isn't easy, however, their is a winning attitude here that is trending in the right direction.