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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - GK3 - 06-23-2023

(06-22-2023, 09:50 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  
(06-22-2023, 09:42 PM)norcard10 Wrote:  
(06-22-2023, 07:18 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  
(06-22-2023, 06:42 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  0-0 in the 10th in this game between LSU and Wake. Winner advances to the finals versus Florida. Elite pitching and solid defense is the key to winning the CWS because Omaha is where big bats go to die.

Sure enough, LSU does manage to finally hit one over the fence to win 2-0 in 11 innings. The Gators vs. Tigers matchup ensures that for the fifth time in six seasons, the MCWS champion will be a SEC team. If LSU wins, it'll be the fifth different champion in that time frame (Florida won in 2017, followed by Vanderbilt, Miss State and Ole Miss). When Oregon State managed to win in 2018, they beat yet another SEC team, Arkansas, in the finals.

I cannot imagine that there has ever been a NCAA sport in which one conference has so thoroughly dominated with the depth and variety of domination matching what the SEC has done over the past six seasons in baseball.

Go look at football. Clemson was an anomaly.

Football has been dominated by two SEC teams: Georgia and Alabama. Throw in LSU if you’d like and that’s still only three programs. Nowhere near the breadth of the SEC’s dominance in baseball.

Not sure seeing Eager get name pitching coach for the National Team makes any sense.  Dixon and a bunch of juniors will return I would assume.  Besides Dixon, where can we find two more reliable starters?  We also need a closer if Bruno can't recapture his past self.

Do we have any pitchers we can count on for next year?

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - M T - 06-23-2023

(06-22-2023, 07:18 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  I cannot imagine that there has ever been a NCAA sport in which one conference has so thoroughly dominated with the depth and variety of domination matching what the SEC has done over the past six seasons in baseball.

Stop by the Avery Aquatic Center some time.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - BobK - 06-23-2023

Bruno will go pro.

Stanford has many good pitching prospects. Will be be very good?

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - StanfordMatt - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 09:59 AM)M T Wrote:  
(06-22-2023, 07:18 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  I cannot imagine that there has ever been a NCAA sport in which one conference has so thoroughly dominated with the depth and variety of domination matching what the SEC has done over the past six seasons in baseball.

Stop by the Avery Aquatic Center some time.

Judging by MT and norcard's replies, I clearly did not articulate my point very well. Probably not worth rehashing further. Apologies for the confusion.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - GK3 - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 10:25 AM)BobK Wrote:  Bruno will go pro.

Stanford has many good pitching prospects.  Will be be very good?

I wish Bruno the best but going pro seems a mistake at this point.  His WHIP seems too high, too many walks, plus 13 WP and 9 HB.  He also appears to have issues with Umpires calls at times.  I am sure someone will take a flier on him, but he may be riding the busses in the minors longer than he wants.  Maybe major league coaching can get him straightened out.  I don't like counting on a lot of prospects proving out, rather than just a few.

I hope they all prove me wrong.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Baller4 - 06-23-2023

(06-22-2023, 09:11 PM)Sam Leopold Wrote:  It's a little bit of a shame Stanford didn't get to face LSU.  We would have been the underdog in any hypothetical matchup this year but it still would have been nice to see it play out on the field.  If you could take this year's Stanford team and clean up the clown league mistakes on the basepaths and elsewhere, I bet Stanford could go toe-to-toe with LSU for the right to play for the national title.

That makes no sense. So despite the mistakes, they made it to Omaha. I don't recall any mistakes other than pitching not holding a lead in both games in Omaha.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - CTcard - 06-23-2023

(06-22-2023, 07:18 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  I cannot imagine that there has ever been a NCAA sport in which one conference has so thoroughly dominated with the depth and variety of domination matching what the SEC has done over the past six seasons in baseball.

The specifics may be unique in this recent SEC run. This is particularly true in the number of teams to win over a short spell.
It's clearly the current top baseball conference. 

However, the best college baseball conference that ever existed was the Pac 10 South, the old Six Pac; particularly in its earlier years. 
It lasted from 1977 through 1998. 
Arizona, ASU, Cal, Stanford, SC, UCLA.
Amongst those teams they have 25 NCAA championships. 
The key thing about the league is that it had no bottom, every game was versus a tournament quality team and they played home and home weekend series against everyone. 
It was also small, so had few teams in the tournament every year. It never dominated the number of host sites.  

One thing to remember is that the SEC has 14 teams and gets around 10 into the tournament each year. That a lot of rolls of the dice in a sport that often comes down to a fair amount of randomness. In fact, that randomness itself is reflected in the number of different champs, which in general were not the best team in the SEC itself. 
[Similarly, in the days of the Six Pac several NCAA champs were not the best team in the Six Pac, including Stanford in 1988.]
(06-23-2023, 11:21 AM)GK3 Wrote:  I wish Bruno the best but going pro seems a mistake at this point.  His WHIP seems too high, too many walks, plus 13 WP and 9 HB.  He also appears to have issues with Umpires calls at times.  I am sure someone will take a flier on him, but he may be riding the busses in the minors longer than he wants.  Maybe major league coaching can get him straightened out.  I don't like counting on a lot of prospects proving out, rather than just a few.

Pro baseball has vastly different dynamics than the other major professional sports. 

Somewhat like many, particularly the NBA, the draft is typically more about what scouts dream a prospect could become versus how good they actually are at the moment. 
But what is particularly different about baseball is that undeveloped prospects aren't going to spend their time at the end of a bench not actually playing. They're going to end up at some level in the minors where they will play, coaching will focus on developing as a player (with little attention to things like a team winning), and get what the pros think is the best chance to develop. 
Of course many top prospects still never make it in the big leagues, but that is more about the difficulties in determining real potential rather than lack of chances to develop. 

Reasons to stay in school include improving one's draft round (more money), getting a degree, wanting to "accomplish something" in college baseball, or actually wanting to learn something more in college; but not simple baseball development.
Actually, a new reason for some is that in this brave new world, some kids could likely make more on NIL than on a minor league contract. Not clear that would be Bruno.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - StanfordMatt - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 01:32 PM)CTcard Wrote:  
(06-22-2023, 07:18 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  I cannot imagine that there has ever been a NCAA sport in which one conference has so thoroughly dominated with the depth and variety of domination matching what the SEC has done over the past six seasons in baseball.

The specifics may be unique in this recent SEC run. This is particularly true in the number of teams to win over a short spell.
It's clearly the current top baseball conference. 

However, the best college baseball conference that ever existed was the Pac 10 South, the old Six Pac; particularly in its earlier years. 
It lasted from 1977 through 1998. 
Arizona, ASU, Cal, Stanford, SC, UCLA.
Amongst those teams they have 25 NCAA championships. 
The key thing about the league is that it had no bottom, every game was versus a tournament quality team and they played home and home weekend series against everyone. 
It was also small, so had few teams in the tournament every year. It never dominated the number of host sites.  

One thing to remember is that the SEC has 14 teams and gets around 10 into the tournament each year. That a lot of rolls of the dice in a sport that often comes down to a fair amount of randomness. In fact, that randomness itself is reflected in the number of different champs, which in general were not the best team in the SEC itself. 
[Similarly, in the days of the Six Pac several NCAA champs were not the best team in the Six Pac, including Stanford in 1988.]

Thanks for the history lesson, CT! It was before my time but fascinating to go back and look at some of the results from that era. It appears the Sun Devils were still part of the WAC when they won the title in 1977, but the 1978-81 stretch in which ASU, UA and SC all claimed titles is certainly comparable. Also interesting that it was another west coast team, Fullerton (then coached by Augie Garrido), that was the one outlier with its title in 1979. Another household name, Terry Francona, was the MVP of the Wildcat team that won in 1980.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Sam Leopold - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 01:30 PM)Baller4 Wrote:  
(06-22-2023, 09:11 PM)Sam Leopold Wrote:  It's a little bit of a shame Stanford didn't get to face LSU.  We would have been the underdog in any hypothetical matchup this year but it still would have been nice to see it play out on the field.  If you could take this year's Stanford team and clean up the clown league mistakes on the basepaths and elsewhere, I bet Stanford could go toe-to-toe with LSU for the right to play for the national title.

That makes no sense. So despite the mistakes, they made it to Omaha. I don't recall any mistakes other than pitching not holding a lead in both games in Omaha.

OK.  Here are the other standout events that shaped our game with Wake Forest on Saturday:

* Moore gets held up at third, probably wrongly, on Becerra's single in the 6th.
* Becerra then gets picked off to end the inning.
* Tommy Troy walks to start the seventh and immediately gets picked off.
* Right after that Carter Graham drives a double and then a lightning delay gets Drew Dowd, who was locking down the Deacons lineup, out of the game.

Wake Forest themselves attributed their win in the first round to that lightning delay:  Wake Forest changes 'vibe,' tops Stanford in opener at MCWS - ESPN  In retrospect, that has the appearance of an admission of some flaws in their camp, because in the subsequent de facto best-of-three series that they played against LSU they eventually lost.

I don't think Stanford this year was good enough to beat LSU.  Paul Skenes in particular is better than any starter we could offer, and he would have given our lineup a real hard time.  But we were arguably good enough to get on a field with LSU.

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - TonyLima - 06-30-2023

D1Baseball post-season picks

First team: Rios, Mathews
Third team: Troy
Freshman second team: Moore

RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - StanfordMatt - 06-30-2023

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