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RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Farm93 - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 10:00 AM)magnus Wrote:Yes, that wasn't clear initially when I saw a Chiron on CNN. The GOP Senators have large group meetings weekly, so possible he got his COVID through a different GOP superspreader event. Crazy for me to think the GOP would cut down on possible outbreak sources, but they were all-in on the worst of COVID is behind us.(10-03-2020, 09:49 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: [Tweet]https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1312432028630110209?s=20[/tweet]
I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth until he leaves Walter Reed (and maybe not even then).
Has he tweeted anything today?
(10-03-2020, 06:45 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Oh wow,If you're referring to Ron Johnson, he was not at the announcement ceremony as he was already quarantining due to a previous exposure.
That event last weekend appears to have been a high profile super spreader event now that a third Republican Senator has tested positive.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/ron-johnson-coronavirus/index.html
Despite that the list of GOP members testing positive that attended that event continues to grow now that Chris Christie tested positive.
The news has only focused on the high profile types in the first few rows. I can't help but wonder how many in the other rows have now tested positive. Given the historic nature of the intended purpose of the event there are a lot of photographs and videos, so I suspect in time that research will be completed.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-03-2020
We now know for a FACT the White House (and maybe POTUS) purposely misled us about when he was confirmed positive.
I am 100% convinced The POTUS was the Saturday Rose Garden event super spreader. The WH tried to hide the Hope Hicks positive test. Only when the Hicks result was leaked, did the WH know it had to admit what it already knew about the POTUS.
The plan was to hide the POTUS Covid diagnosis, hoping he wouldn't develop symptoms. When WH staff saw him exhibiting symptoms and after the Hicks news was leaked, WH knew everyone would assume he was infected. So they tried to make it look like Hicks infected the POTUS. By rearranging who tased positive first between Hicks and POTUS. But...
The reality is what the WH REALLY doesn't want the public to find out is that the POTUS was the super spreader at that Rose Garden event last Saturday. For him to be showing symptoms on Sept. 30, he had to be infected 5-7 days previously. It roughly lines up to the POTUS being initially infected on Wed, Sept. 23. That would put him at peak infectivity at the Sept. 25 Rose Garden event.
The GOOD news is if the POTUS was at peak infectivity on Saturday, he wouldn't have been nearly as infective by Tuesday night, so Joe Biden's odds of getting infected are a lot lower than had he been at the Rose Garden event.
This begs three questions.
1. When was the last time the POTUS tested negative?
2. Was the POTUS late for the "debate" on Tuesday because they knew he was positive and debate would be canceled if he was positive?
3. Has the POTUS ever been tested at all, before the PCR test after showing symptoms?
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Farm93 - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 01:54 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: We now know for a FACT the White House (and maybe POTUS) purposely misled us about when he was confirmed positive.#1 was asked by media and ignored. Trust they will keep that quiet as long as possible.
I am 100% convinced The POTUS was the Saturday Rose Garden event super spreader. The WH tried to hide the Hope Hicks positive test. Only when the Hicks result was leaked, did the WH know it had to admit what it already knew about the POTUS.
The plan was to hide the POTUS Covid diagnosis, hoping he wouldn't develop symptoms. When WH staff saw him exhibiting symptoms and after the Hicks news was leaked, WH knew everyone would assume he was infected. So they tried to make it look like Hicks infected the POTUS. By rearranging who tased positive first between Hicks and POTUS. But...
The reality is what the WH REALLY doesn't want the public to find out is that the POTUS was the super spreader at that Rose Garden event last Saturday. For him to be showing symptoms on Sept. 30, he had to be infected 5-7 days previously. It roughly lines up to the POTUS being initially infected on Wed, Sept. 23. That would put him at peak infectivity at the Sept. 25 Rose Garden event.
The GOOD news is if the POTUS was at peak infectivity on Saturday, he wouldn't have been nearly as infective by Tuesday night, so Joe Biden's odds of getting infected are a lot lower than had he been at the Rose Garden event.
This begs three questions.
1. When was the last time the POTUS tested negative?
2. Was the POTUS late for the "debate" on Tuesday because they knew he was positive and debate would be canceled if he was positive?
3. Has the POTUS ever been tested at all, before the PCR test after showing symptoms?
#2 same here UNLESS Joe Biden tests positive. Should that happen the fury will be epic. Far too many in Team Trump were symptomatic on Wednesday for all of them to have tested negative on Tuesday. Team Trump conveniently arrived too late to take the agreed tests in Cleveland.
#3 POTUS has let it slip from time to time on Fox News that he primarily relies on everyone around him getting tested. However, skipping the debate test becomes very problematic now, so there better be some evidence he tested negative on Sunday or Monday. However that should be rather easy to falsify, at least until there is a change in administration in 2020 or 2024.
Given his age and the visible COVID-like symptoms on Wednesday, my guess is he was exposed during one of the times he met with Barrett and her group prior to the ceremony at the White House.
All of that is for a different time. At the moment, it is best for the USA for POTUS to survive and for Joe Biden to remain symptom free. Any other scenario will leave the country in a state of turmoil that might dominate our nation for years.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - teejers1 - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 02:41 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(10-03-2020, 01:54 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: We now know for a FACT the White House (and maybe POTUS) purposely misled us about when he was confirmed positive.#1 was asked by media and ignored. Trust they will keep that quiet as long as possible.
I am 100% convinced The POTUS was the Saturday Rose Garden event super spreader. The WH tried to hide the Hope Hicks positive test. Only when the Hicks result was leaked, did the WH know it had to admit what it already knew about the POTUS.
The plan was to hide the POTUS Covid diagnosis, hoping he wouldn't develop symptoms. When WH staff saw him exhibiting symptoms and after the Hicks news was leaked, WH knew everyone would assume he was infected. So they tried to make it look like Hicks infected the POTUS. By rearranging who tased positive first between Hicks and POTUS. But...
The reality is what the WH REALLY doesn't want the public to find out is that the POTUS was the super spreader at that Rose Garden event last Saturday. For him to be showing symptoms on Sept. 30, he had to be infected 5-7 days previously. It roughly lines up to the POTUS being initially infected on Wed, Sept. 23. That would put him at peak infectivity at the Sept. 25 Rose Garden event.
The GOOD news is if the POTUS was at peak infectivity on Saturday, he wouldn't have been nearly as infective by Tuesday night, so Joe Biden's odds of getting infected are a lot lower than had he been at the Rose Garden event.
This begs three questions.
1. When was the last time the POTUS tested negative?
2. Was the POTUS late for the "debate" on Tuesday because they knew he was positive and debate would be canceled if he was positive?
3. Has the POTUS ever been tested at all, before the PCR test after showing symptoms?
#2 same here UNLESS Joe Biden tests positive. Should that happen the fury will be epic. Far too many in Team Trump were symptomatic on Wednesday for all of them to have tested negative on Tuesday. Team Trump conveniently arrived too late to take the agreed tests in Cleveland.
#3 POTUS has let it slip from time to time on Fox News that he primarily relies on everyone around him getting tested. However, skipping the debate test becomes very problematic now, so there better be some evidence he tested negative on Sunday or Monday. However that should be rather easy to falsify, at least until there is a change in administration in 2020 or 2024.
Given his age and the visible COVID-like symptoms on Wednesday, my guess is he was exposed during one of the times he met with Barrett and her group prior to the ceremony at the White House.
All of that is for a different time. At the moment, it is best for the USA for POTUS to survive and for Joe Biden to remain symptom free. Any other scenario will leave the country in a state of turmoil that might dominate our nation for years.
The bulk of the above is what I mean by fixation.
But switching gears to the highlighted portion, what is your fear here, exactly?
If Trump dies from this, then the Republicans will run somebody else in November (maybe Pence). And we'll have the winner take office in January.
If Trump recovers from this, then the election will go forward in November, the winner will take office in January.
If Biden is stricken and dies, then the Dems will put someone else up as the nominee (maybe Harris, but I've gotta believe there will be major jockeying for that spot). The election will go forward in November and the winner will take office in January.
What do you think will "dominate our nation" for the next decade (other than for 8 of those years, we might have the same, new person as President), assuming he or she does a good enough job to get re-elected?
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Farm93 - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 03:26 PM)teejers1 Wrote: What do you think will "dominate our nation" for the next decade (other than for 8 of those years, we might have the same, new person as President), assuming he or she does a good enough job to get re-elected?I didn't quite want to state the obvious, but....
Trump lives and it becomes clear he would have tested positive BEFORE the debate if he took the agreed test or worse had already tested positive but the campaign decided he just had to attend using the debate mandated social distancing as the rationale for their action.
Either way...Joe Biden tests COVID19 positive this weekend. Rewinding 4-6 days from that positive would land squarely on Tuesday evening. Therefore the choices by Team Trump on COVID directly impact the political candidate that was super careful but agreed to debate given the testing conditions that were skipped.
Joe Biden then either is very sick or dies. Democrats, with a very sick Presidential candidate or a dead President lose again to COVID surviving Trump perhaps enhanced by Biden's inability to campaign because he is on a ventilator in late-October.
You can guess the chaos from there....
Cheers...
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-03-2020
Farm93 is right.
It does matter - quite a lot - when the POTUS was last tested and when it was known he tested positive. Skipping the debate test has been somewhat glossed over under the auspices that the "POTUS is tested regularly."
But what if - as I now believe is the case - has was never tested or went an extended period of time not being tested until he showed symptoms? Biden agreed to the debate terms that required both candidates to be tested as a condition of participating!
The POTUS could potentially be charged with putting donors at his event in jeopardy if it turns out he knew he was positive before it happened. He very well might have done the same thing in the Presidential debate!
If the POTUS did these things as it appears he did, he should be immediately disqualified from further serving as POTUS and prohibited from serving another term. I know there is no such law, but this would be the right thing to do. Just appalling that anyone supports this turd of a human.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Snorlax94 - 10-03-2020
Trump issues a 4:02 video Tweet, so he appears well enough to talk for 4 minutes. But he still looks pale and loses his breath several times from just talking.
I think it's been clearly established he was much sicker than was let on on Friday.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312525833505058816[/tweet]
Incidentally, his conduct, his almost-loopy gratitude, is consistent with what I've observed in people who honestly feared for their lives and were not sure if they were going to make it.
I've hoped for a long time Trump could change. It's possible this could mark a turning point for him, but most people I've known who speak almost cosmically happily in the hospital, after returning home, quickly revert to whoever they were before.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - magnus - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 02:41 PM)Farm93 Wrote:Just wanted to correct (or maybe correct) one thing above.(10-03-2020, 01:54 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: 2. Was the POTUS late for the "debate" on Tuesday because they knew he was positive and debate would be canceled if he was positive?#2 same here UNLESS Joe Biden tests positive. Should that happen the fury will be epic. Far too many in Team Trump were symptomatic on Wednesday for all of them to have tested negative on Tuesday. Team Trump conveniently arrived too late to take the agreed tests in Cleveland.
It wasn't just Trump's team that was not tested by the debate's clinic. Biden's team too. It was allowed that both teams could submit their own test results.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chris-wallace-says-trump-arrived-at-debate-too-late-for-coronavirus-test
Maybe they did purposely arrive too late, but it's hard to tell if that was the intent as it seemed to be allowed in the guidelines.
I think I read somwehere else that the guideline was that there had to be a negative test within 72 hours of the event (which does lead to lots of time for the virus to rear its ugly head).
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-03-2020
Trump released a video. He seemed more serious about the virus. Looked ok, maybe slightly ill. As he states, the next few days will tell the tale.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 04:12 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: But he still looks pale and loses his breath several times from just talking.
Good point by Mike McFaul.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1312534759130632192?s=20[/tweet]
He probably looks like this naturally; we don't get to see him without his makeup on.
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Snorlax94 - 10-03-2020
Videos of Trump's doctors indirectly confirming(?) what has already been said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50qHeAdvtWw
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - magnus - 10-03-2020
Add Trump's personal assistant/body man Nick Luna to the infected list. He is married to an aide of Kushner. Complicated web.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - teejers1 - 10-03-2020
(10-03-2020, 03:36 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(10-03-2020, 03:26 PM)teejers1 Wrote: What do you think will "dominate our nation" for the next decade (other than for 8 of those years, we might have the same, new person as President), assuming he or she does a good enough job to get re-elected?I didn't quite want to state the obvious, but....
Trump lives and it becomes clear he would have tested positive BEFORE the debate if he took the agreed test or worse had already tested positive but the campaign decided he just had to attend using the debate mandated social distancing as the rationale for their action.
Either way...Joe Biden tests COVID19 positive this weekend. Rewinding 4-6 days from that positive would land squarely on Tuesday evening. Therefore the choices by Team Trump on COVID directly impact the political candidate that was super careful but agreed to debate given the testing conditions that were skipped.
Joe Biden then either is very sick or dies. Democrats, with a very sick Presidential candidate or a dead President lose again to COVID surviving Trump perhaps enhanced by Biden's inability to campaign because he is on a ventilator in late-October.
You can guess the chaos from there....
Cheers...
So if Joe Joe makes it to Monday, then the Great Fear will have passed? Is the Great Fear only if Joe theoretically could have contracted Covid from Trump?
As you know, there is ample time for Biden to get Covid pre-election, even if he is careful. Then what? Will we all be paralyzed for the next decade? [I know you don't actually believe that, but the point is to reinforce that life (and the republic) will go on no matter who contracts Covid].
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-04-2020
I have thought for months it is completely stupid for any candidate to be doing traditional public campaigning this year, especially Biden. I get he did because if he didn't he would have been labeled a wuss. But now that the POTUS is hospitalized with Covid, Biden has an out. Nobody would label him a wuss now if he stops in person campaigning.
I'd just do Zoom calls the rest of the way and allow would be voters to ask questions to him. The calls can round up people from the states he wants to focus on, and he'll even be able to "cover" more states this way.
On the heels of the GOP pandemic damage, the POTUS being in hospital, and frankly after being horrified by the mask-less crowd in Athens, GA last night, it is stupid on steroids for any candidate for any office to be encouraging people to gather in large numbers. It looks to me we are going to be in the 60k-70k cases per day range in a few weeks nationally, so anything to encourage and set the example to distance as much as possible, is what would be elected officials should be doing.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-04-2020
Doctors reported today that they started him on dexamethasone yesterday, but also that he is doing well and could be discharged as early as tomorrow. He also yesterday desaturated to 93%. And maybe into the 80's at some point? Story not really straight. Conley clearly obfuscating.
On the one hand, he is on three different therapeutics. Dex makes sense, if he's actually sick. Probably wouldn't start it if he wasn't. Will probably make him feel a little loopy. On the other hand he is getting much better and they could discharge tomorrow?
They also mentioned there are "expected findings" on imaging (Conley didn't specify CT or Xray).
Wish we could get a better picture of what's going on. Keep your eyes on the Twitter feed I think.
Here's my takeaway- the president is now receiving pretty much every weapon in the arsenal, even those which have been shown to potentially worsen outcomes in mild cases (dex) and those which are experimental.
He has required supplemental oxygen two of the past two days.
He had a CT scan which was not normal (I'm guessing a CT since Walter Reed shut down for a patient transport last night, and an Xray they could have done portably in his suite).
All the other fluff is intended for POTUS. At least the implication is he's healthy enough to be watching the briefing.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-04-2020
(10-04-2020, 08:52 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Doctors reported today that they started him on dexamethasone yesterday, but also that he is doing well and could be discharged as early as tomorrow. He also yesterday desaturated to 93%. And maybe into the 80's at some point? Story not really straight. Conley clearly obfuscating.
On the one hand, he is on three different therapeutics. Dex makes sense, if he's actually sick. Probably wouldn't start it if he wasn't. Will probably make him feel a little loopy. On the other hand he is getting much better and they could discharge tomorrow?
They also mentioned there are "expected findings" on imaging (Conley didn't specify CT or Xray).
Wish we could get a better picture of what's going on. Keep your eyes on the Twitter feed I think.
There is no reason to believe anything the White House or even the doctors say, until they share lab results.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-04-2020
The idea of Trump having his finger on the button has always been disturbing to me, but now he's going on potent corticosteroids. Eeeeeeeeeep.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - newguy - 10-04-2020
(10-04-2020, 09:37 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: The idea of Trump having his finger on the button has always been disturbing to me, but now he's going on potent corticosteroids. Eeeeeeeeeep.
yeah, but what's the worst that could happen?
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-04-2020
This entire tweet thread from the Chair of UCSF Dept of Medicine is worth reading and is spot on.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1312792230860451841?s=20[/tweet]
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Griffins78 - 10-04-2020
My understanding was that many COVID patients did not have the sensation of loss of oxygen even though their oxygen level was in crisis.