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RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - JohnR34231 - 03-07-2021

(03-06-2021, 09:22 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(03-06-2021, 09:11 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Simple solution. Fire Haase, hire Walton. It gets him off TV.
I think the Geneva Convention forbids doing this to POWs, let alone your own students.

Yeah, and the Eight Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - martyup - 03-07-2021

(03-07-2021, 06:43 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:  
(03-06-2021, 09:22 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(03-06-2021, 09:11 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Simple solution. Fire Haase, hire Walton. It gets him off TV.
I think the Geneva Convention forbids doing this to POWs, let alone your own students.

Yeah, and the Eight Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

Even if you could get by those legal hurdles, the team would never get any real practice.  Walton would start each session with an arcane philosophical lesson couched in a story of when he traveled to [fill in the blank], and two hours later an assistant coach would wake the players and interrupt Walton to announce that practice was over.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - winflop - 03-07-2021

(03-07-2021, 01:15 AM)thatboy Wrote:  
(03-06-2021, 08:25 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Well, given the Head Coach is in charge of everything, it's both coach and players.

I signed up for Rivals to satisfy my curiosity. My takeaway: it is largely incorrect to blame the coach in this case. I mean if you want to get very abstract and philosophical you could conclude Haase deserves some small fraction of the blame. But this is basically on some of the players. Some things are beyond the control of any coach. And sometimes good kids make bad decisions.

Despite the many challenges the team faced this season, Haase had the team performing well under the circumstances until the last few games. I see the first ~90% of the season as far more indicative of Haase and his coaching than the last 10%.

Just my two cents.

If it's that much of a player issue, then Haase should just come out and say "these players are suspended/benched for today's game for conduct detrimental to the team" or something like that. Couching it as "team cohesion" and not saying anything until after the game is a really poor way to handle it. It's unclear and just leads to confusion and speculation. It's not like he was trying to do some kind of head fake on the opposing coach that they might be available - they weren't dressed to play.

Haase has coached more than long enough to know better than to handle it the way he has.

I'm not sure I agree with the 90/10 split but whatever that second number is, the problem is that it has come mainly in February & March in each of the last three seasons (including this one).

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - Goose - 03-07-2021

(03-07-2021, 10:58 AM)winflop Wrote:  I'm not sure I agree with the 90/10 split but whatever that second number is, the problem is that it has come mainly in February & March in each of the last three seasons (including this one).
I am not aware of any significant "team cohesion" problems in the previous three seasons. Certainly nothing of this apparent magnitude. Did I miss something? It is for sure that the last three years the team appeared to "wear down" at the end of the season, but AFAIK it wasn't due to players refusing to work together.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - winflop - 03-07-2021

(03-07-2021, 11:23 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(03-07-2021, 10:58 AM)winflop Wrote:  I'm not sure I agree with the 90/10 split but whatever that second number is, the problem is that it has come mainly in February & March in each of the last three seasons (including this one).
I am not aware of any significant "team cohesion" problems in the previous three seasons. Certainly nothing of this apparent magnitude. Did I miss something? It is for sure that the last three years the team appeared to "wear down" at the end of the season, but AFAIK it wasn't due to players refusing to work together.

Sorry if my comment was confusing. I was only commenting that the majority of poor play has come at the tail end of each of the last three seasons, not that there were "team cohesion" issues in each of the last three seasons - whatever the @$%^ that means.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - magnus - 03-08-2021

Not sure where to throw this one, but since this is the most recent MBB thread, and there was some Ziaire draft position talk, there's a new article in The Athletic that has a blurb about Ziaire's diminished draft fortunes.

https://theathletic.com/2431614/2021/03/08/the-nbas-best-ever-non-all-stars-blake-griffins-buyout-hollingers-week-that-was/

Quote:Overall, he seems comparable to R.J. Hampton’s situation a year ago — a young, raw, but somewhat talented player thrown into a screwed-up situation and trying to make the best of it. Jaden McDaniels would be another one. Hampton and McDaniels both were selected in the 20s, making them reasonable propositions for fliers with upside. Despite the early hype, I’m wondering if that’s Williams’ landing spot as well.


RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - CompSci87 - 03-08-2021

The Athletic article seems pretty accurate. ZW has been mostly underwhelming, with occasional flashes.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - winflop - 03-08-2021

(03-08-2021, 11:56 AM)CompSci87 Wrote:  The Athletic article seems pretty accurate. ZW has been mostly underwhelming, with occasional flashes.

I stand by my prediction of transfer portal

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - SamuelMcF - 03-08-2021

(03-08-2021, 12:03 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(03-08-2021, 11:56 AM)CompSci87 Wrote:  The Athletic article seems pretty accurate. ZW has been mostly underwhelming, with occasional flashes.

I stand by my prediction of transfer portal

I stand by my prediction of drafted in the 1st round

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - BostonCard - 03-08-2021

(03-08-2021, 12:36 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(03-08-2021, 12:03 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(03-08-2021, 11:56 AM)CompSci87 Wrote:  The Athletic article seems pretty accurate. ZW has been mostly underwhelming, with occasional flashes.

I stand by my prediction of transfer portal

I stand by my prediction of drafted in the 1st round

I would listen to Sam.  He's not playing college basketball next year.

BC

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - Goose - 03-08-2021

(03-08-2021, 12:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I would listen to Sam.  He's not playing college basketball next year.


BC
I think those who expect Williams to declare are correct. I think the transfer portal is the least probable outcome. It is a crap shoot that his "next" school will result in a "better" outcome and at best it will cost him a years pay in the NBA. If things don't go well at his "next" school it most probably WOULD affect his draft status in a very negative way. Once is a fluke. Twice is a trend. If he believed things would be lots better for him at Stanford next year (no da Silva, maybe he is the "focus") staying could make some sense, but given that is not what he expects, going pro is the only real option.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - CTcard - 03-08-2021

(03-08-2021, 12:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I would listen to Sam.  He's not playing college basketball next year.

I don't think Sam has any eligibility left.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - BostonCard - 03-08-2021

(03-08-2021, 07:58 PM)CTcard Wrote:  
(03-08-2021, 12:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I would listen to Sam.  He's not playing college basketball next year.

I don't think Sam has any eligibility left.

As I said, he's not playing college basketball next year.

BC

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - Phogge - 03-09-2021

I’ve heard that Sam can’t go to his left. And that the two hand set shots (look it up kids) from 30 feet have a low percentage.

RE: MBB: STAN vs USC (blowout loss) - winflop - 03-09-2021

(03-09-2021, 07:39 AM)Phogge Wrote:  I’ve heard that Sam can’t go to his left. And that the two hand set shots (look it up kids) from 30 feet have a low percentage.

But he has mastered the underhand free throw