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RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - 81alum - 05-24-2022

I know little about golf but was fascinated today. How are the pairings in match play determined?

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - BostonCard - 05-24-2022

(05-24-2022, 08:26 PM)82lsju Wrote: The finals are set.

1:35 » Brooke Seay vs Ching-Tzu Chen
1:45 » Aline Krauter vs Hsin-Yu Lu
1:55 » Sadie Englemann vs Briana Chacon
2:05 » Rachel Heck vs Tze-Han Lin
2:15 » Rose Zhang vs Sofie Kibsgaard Nielsen

Zhang 1 vs. Nielsen 35 (advantage Zhang)
Seay 11 vs. Chen. 48 (advantage Seay)
Krauter 19 vs. Lu 12 (advantage Lu)
Heck 24 vs. Lin 18 (advantage Lin)
Englemann 86 vs. Chacon 34 (advantage Chacon)

I think Oregon has to be happy with their match-ups.

BC

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - Spiny_Norman - 05-24-2022

(05-24-2022, 09:37 PM)81alum Wrote: I know little about golf but was fascinated today. How are the pairings in match play determined?

The coaches alternate selections. As the coach of the higher seeded team, Coach Walker had the option to name the Stanford player who would play in match 1 or defer and let the Oregon coach name his player first. Then they alternate naming players until all matches are set.

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - mbdude - 05-24-2022

Another question: what if overall match is tied (say 2-2-1)after everyone completes round; how is winning team determined?

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - Spiny_Norman - 05-24-2022

This was a fantastic day for Stanford and for golf fans. I am thrilled for the team. You prepare and practice and play all year to be in this position. The pressure of the final is the reward for being successful. I hope that the team can go out tomorrow and enjoy the experience.

That said, Stanford is the underdog. Oregon has had a fantastic spring season. They won 2 tournaments, finished 2nd in two others, won Pac 12s, won their regional. They have played very well in winning their 2 matches today. I think Stanford will need some luck to win.

My $0.02 on the matchups. Winflop may have his own observations.

Stanford's foundation in match play has been the duo of Krauter and Seay. Both won 2 matches today. Both played exactly the kind of game that Coach Walker expects of them - solid play, lots of pars, opportunistic birdies, don't give opponents too many chances. Both were -1 in beating their Auburn opponents. Seay was -3 and Krauter was +1 in defeating their Georgia opponents. Seay and Krauter are also Stanford's most experienced players as the only junior and the only senior on the team. Coach Walker is playing them in matches 1 and 2 for all of these reasons. Stanford really needs 2 victories here.

Match 3 seems like a mismatch. Englemann is now 0-3 in match play over the past 2 years. In two of those matches, she fell behind early and never got anything going. In the third, she led after 9 holes but could not keep up with her opponent. She just has not been able to play as consistently as her teammates. In the Georgia match, she was -1 (a good round, though her opponent was better). In the Auburn match, she was +9. Unless she is at her best tomorrow, this looks like an Oregon win.

Then you have the anchors in Heck and Zhang. I trust that we will see the national champion and US Amateur champ level of performance from Zhang. But I have no idea what Heck can do. She'll need to dig deep. Bottom line for me is that Stanford needs to win 3 of 4 among Seay, Krauter, Heck and Zhang. That seems like a tall order. But it could happen with a little luck.

Either way, the Pac 12 will win the women's golf championship for the 5th time in 7 years since the format changed.

(05-24-2022, 10:24 PM)mbdude Wrote: Another question: what if overall match is tied (say 2-2-1)after everyone completes round; how is winning team determined?

Any match that is all square after 18 holes will go to extra holes. They return to the 1st hole and keep playing until someone wins. Example - in 2018 with the match tied 2-2, Ziyi Wang from Stanford and Virginia Elena Carta from Duke played 24 holes before Elena Carta pulled it out.

Stanford won the national championship in 2015 when Mariah Stackhouse beat Haley Davis of Baylor on the 19th hole.

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - pauloalto - 05-24-2022

Individual scores for the 4 rounds of stroke play on this course over the initial days:

Relative to par:

Seay: +9 Chen: +5

Krauter: +7 Lu: +8

Engelmann: +7 Chacon: +11

Heck: +8 Lin: E

Zhang: -6 Nielsen: +9

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - BostonCard - 05-25-2022

(05-24-2022, 10:24 PM)mbdude Wrote: Another question: what if overall match is tied (say 2-2-1)after everyone completes round; how is winning team determined?

Sudden death

BC

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - Card Fan in OR - 05-25-2022

Spiny_Norman wrote:

Quote:Stanford won the national championship in 2015 when Mariah Stackhouse beat Haley Davis of Baylor on the 19th hole.

We have a good-sized hill to climb tomorrow, but it is not as big as the one in 2015. I remember watching the last three holes at least of the Mariah Stackhouse-Haley Davis match. The memory indelibly etched (but, correctly???) in my mind is Stackhouse's second shot on 17. Dormie on the 17th tee, she drove into the left rough. She then--seemingly calmly, but under pressure I cannot imagine--took out a wood and, somehow, semi-miraculously rolled the ball onto the green for a two-putt birdie. Birdie 18 and a par win on 19--her first lead of the day and our first women's golf national championship. What a finish for the ages.

That's the way it is indelibly etched in my memory. All corrections welcomed. If the team could do that in 2015, the current team can do it tomorrow today. Unfortunately, I won't be watching, as my current provider does not carry the Golf Channel, so I'll be checking thecardboard for updates.

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - M T - 05-25-2022

Adding in stats for birdies, eagles, other for 4 rounds.
I'd think playing conditions on Wednesday (late morning/noon start) would be most like Round 1 and Round 4 for both teams, so I added that into the table.

Zhang and Engelmann seem to have stronger numbers than their opponent.
(Note that Zhang was only 2 strokes better than Nielsen on the late morning starts, so I wouldn't just assume her to dominate.)
Krauter looks pretty even.
When you look at Rounds 1 & 4, Seay could be considered almost even.
Heck will have to play a lot better to get her point. (I hope she sleeps in, as she did very well on the early morning rounds.)

(05-24-2022, 11:04 PM)pauloalto Wrote: Individual scores for the 4 rounds of stroke play on this course over the initial days:

Relative to par, pars, birdies, eagles, other, Round 1, Round 4:
Seay:      +9, 44, 9, 1, 18, +3, E    Chen:    +5, 44, 13, 0, 15, +4, E
Krauter: +7, 49, 9, 0, 14, +3, E Lu:      +8, 44, 11, 0, 17, +4, +1
Engelmann: +7, 53, 7, 0, 12, -1, +6 Chacon: +11, 44, 9, 0, 19, +4, +4
Heck:      +8, 43, 12, 0, 17, +4, +6 Lin:      E, 54, 9, 0, 9, E, +2
Zhang:     -6, 46, 15, 1, 10, -4, +3 Nielsen: +9, 50, 9, 0, 13, +1, E

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - BostonCard - 05-25-2022

I was looking to post the video of that Stackhouse win, but I can’t seem to find it on YouTube. Anyone able to locate if?

BC

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - Spiny_Norman - 05-25-2022

The Golf Channel made a special video on the finish of the Stackhouse-Davis match - https://www.golfchannel.com/video/2015-ncaa-national-championships-stanford-vs-baylor

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - winflop - 05-25-2022

(05-24-2022, 10:24 PM)mbdude Wrote: Another question: what if overall match is tied (say 2-2-1)after everyone completes round; how is winning team determined?

Not possible. Matches do not end on 18 if they are tied. Each individual match goes to sudden death extra holes.

(05-24-2022, 09:37 PM)81alum Wrote: I know little about golf but was fascinated today. How are the pairings in match play determined?

Each coach enter their lineup in order and doesn't see the other team's lineup. There's some game theory to this. Coach Ray used that game theory to a large extent in 2019 when we won the natty.

This is going to be a tight match, but unlike Norman I think we are the favorites:
- Zhang is heavily favored to win
- Krauter & Seay are favored to win but they need to sustain their level of play throughout the tournament
- Heck & Englemann are the wild cards. If either of them plays well, we could win 4-1

I love that Coach Walker is putting Seay & Krauter out first. They will set the tone and Englemann & Heck can feed off that.
I like our chances to win any match that is even or better after the front nine. We have played much better on the back than the front.

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - fullmetal - 05-25-2022

winflop, you and Spiny_Norman can duke it out to see whose explanation of match pairings is actually the truth lol.

Can't wait to see the team play it out this afternoon. What a chance, what a culmination of a season's work for these student-athletes :)

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - BigEasyCard - 05-25-2022

(05-25-2022, 09:08 AM)fullmetal Wrote: winflop, you and Spiny_Norman can duke it out to see whose explanation of match pairings is actually the truth lol.

Can't wait to see the team play it out this afternoon. What a chance, what a culmination of a season's work for these student-athletes :)

From the 2021 tournament rules, page 13:

"The Division I Women’s Golf Committee will determine match-play lineups using the same method employed at the Presidents Cup matches. The higher-seeded team (as determined through the 72-hole stroke-play portion), “Team 1”, will have the first choice of putting a player on the board for Match #1. The opposing team, “Team 2”, will then name its player for Match #1. Team 2 will then name its player for Match #2, and Team 1 will name its player for Match #2. The process will continue in an “S” curve until the players for all five matches are named. However, Team 1 may defer in the selection process and permit Team 2 to begin the overall selection process."

2020-21D1WGO_PrechampsManual.pdf (ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com)

Not sure if this has changed for the current competition.

UPDATE: Found the manual for 2022 competition and the process for determining match play lineups is the same as above.

In any event,

Geaux Cardinal!

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - winflop - 05-25-2022

(05-25-2022, 09:24 AM)BigEasyCard Wrote:
(05-25-2022, 09:08 AM)fullmetal Wrote: winflop, you and Spiny_Norman can duke it out to see whose explanation of match pairings is actually the truth lol.

Can't wait to see the team play it out this afternoon. What a chance, what a culmination of a season's work for these student-athletes :)

From the 2021 tournament rules, page 13:

"The Division I Women’s Golf Committee will determine match-play lineups using the same method employed at the Presidents Cup matches. The higher-seeded team (as determined through the 72-hole stroke-play portion), “Team 1”, will have the first choice of putting a player on the board for Match #1. The opposing team, “Team 2”, will then name its player for Match #1. Team 2 will then name its player for Match #2, and Team 1 will name its player for Match #2. The process will continue in an “S” curve until the players for all five matches are named. However, Team 1 may defer in the selection process and permit Team 2 to begin the overall selection process."

2020-21D1WGO_PrechampsManual.pdf (ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com)

Not sure if this has changed for the current competition.

In any event,

Geaux Cardinal!

Wow that's new, and cool

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - fullmetal - 05-25-2022

Right? That really values a higher seed (and in-season performance), imo. Fun!

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - TooMuchTV - 05-25-2022

(05-25-2022, 09:26 AM)winflop Wrote:
(05-25-2022, 09:24 AM)BigEasyCard Wrote:
(05-25-2022, 09:08 AM)fullmetal Wrote: winflop, you and Spiny_Norman can duke it out to see whose explanation of match pairings is actually the truth lol.

Can't wait to see the team play it out this afternoon. What a chance, what a culmination of a season's work for these student-athletes :)

From the 2021 tournament rules, page 13:

"The Division I Women’s Golf Committee will determine match-play lineups using the same method employed at the Presidents Cup matches. The higher-seeded team (as determined through the 72-hole stroke-play portion), “Team 1”, will have the first choice of putting a player on the board for Match #1. The opposing team, “Team 2”, will then name its player for Match #1. Team 2 will then name its player for Match #2, and Team 1 will name its player for Match #2. The process will continue in an “S” curve until the players for all five matches are named. However, Team 1 may defer in the selection process and permit Team 2 to begin the overall selection process."

2020-21D1WGO_PrechampsManual.pdf (ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com)

Not sure if this has changed for the current competition.

In any event,

Geaux Cardinal!

Wow that's new, and cool

New since 2012 and the women have always done it this way. https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2012/04/08/coaches-will-determine-lineup-ncaa-match-play/

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - BigEasyCard - 05-25-2022

(05-25-2022, 11:54 AM)TooMuchTV Wrote:
(05-25-2022, 09:26 AM)winflop Wrote:
(05-25-2022, 09:24 AM)BigEasyCard Wrote:
(05-25-2022, 09:08 AM)fullmetal Wrote: winflop, you and Spiny_Norman can duke it out to see whose explanation of match pairings is actually the truth lol.

Can't wait to see the team play it out this afternoon. What a chance, what a culmination of a season's work for these student-athletes :)

From the 2021 tournament rules, page 13:

"The Division I Women’s Golf Committee will determine match-play lineups using the same method employed at the Presidents Cup matches. The higher-seeded team (as determined through the 72-hole stroke-play portion), “Team 1”, will have the first choice of putting a player on the board for Match #1. The opposing team, “Team 2”, will then name its player for Match #1. Team 2 will then name its player for Match #2, and Team 1 will name its player for Match #2. The process will continue in an “S” curve until the players for all five matches are named. However, Team 1 may defer in the selection process and permit Team 2 to begin the overall selection process."

2020-21D1WGO_PrechampsManual.pdf (ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com)

Not sure if this has changed for the current competition.

In any event,

Geaux Cardinal!

Wow that's new, and cool

New since 2012 and the women have always done it this way. https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2012/04/08/coaches-will-determine-lineup-ncaa-match-play/

Thanks for the link which notes that the prior method was to match the players in order of Golfstat ranking.

As a side note, it looks like the author lifted the entire description of the new method without quotation marks:

This year lineups will be determined using the same method employed at the President’s Cup matches. The better seeded team (Team 1) – determined through the 54-hole stroke-play portion of the championship – will have the first choice of putting a player on the board for Match No. 1. The opposing team (Team 2) will then name its player for Match No. 1. Team 2 will then name its player for Match No. 2 and Team 1 will name its player for Match No. 2. The process will continue in an “S” curve until the players for all five matches are named. However, Team 1 may defer in the selection process and permit Team 2 to begin the overall selection process.

That's sloppy journalism in my opinion, but at least it's accurate.

Geaux Cardinal!

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - Spiny_Norman - 05-25-2022

Anyone watching Golf Channel early can enjoy Stanford women's golf, Alumni Version. They are broadcasting the LPGA match play tournament which includes matches featuring Andrea Lee and Albane Valenzuela.

RE: WGolf @ National Championships to the FINAL - Spiny_Norman - 05-25-2022

Do we call this match the Phil Knight Grudge Match? He has donated at least $500M to Stanford and at least $1B to Oregon. Not surprisingly, both schools are sporting Nike wear.