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RE: P5 coach on the market with Stanford connections - MarinCard - 11-28-2022
I'm disappointed that, after having kicked off this thread, no one has made a Scott Frost Day joke.
RE: The Great Mentioners - MarinCard - 11-28-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:36 PM)martyup Wrote: What is Urban Meyer doing these days?
A truly hands-on coach, lol
These lists tend to be driven half by agents pumping their client roster and half by pure speculation on the writers' part based on who they know is in market, so take them for what they are.
Peterson is indeed a great coach, but it seems questionable whether he'd want to leave a pretty cushy job at Fox, gear up for what will be a rebuild, and learn the new landscape of a sport that has changed drastically since he was last a head coach.
Dave Clawson will be our next HC. Here's why. - MarinCard - 11-28-2022
All joking about Scott Frost in my prior thread aside, I strongly believe we will end up with Dave Clawson at a podium on the Farm in the next month. Here's my thinking, with a heavy tip of the hat to the excellent Steven Godfrey of Split Zone Duo (which you really should be listening to if you're on this board - it is absolutely worth the $5-10 a month):
- Has experience, and success, at a small P5 school with rigorous (if not quite Stanford-level) academics and admissions criteria, and by all accounts enjoys being in that kind of environment
- Has been at Wake for coming up on 10 years, and feels as if he's hit the ceiling of what the Deacs are capable of and may be ready for a new challenge
- Has experience building a program alongside a nascent NIL operation the athletic department has built out, as well as a fan collective (both things we lack to date)
- According to Godfrey, admires Stanford and the community around it and has turned down other jobs in the past at schools that don't have our kind of environment
- His contract and buyout info aren't in the public domain since Wake is private, but based on what info is public it doesn't seem the cost of pulling him out of Winston-Salem would be prohibitive relative to the market
And the reasons I think other plausible candidates don't end up with the job:
- Peterson: Doesn't leave a cushy job at Fox for what will be a tough rebuild in a new CFB world
- Bloomgren: Has strong program ties, but has never had a winning record at Rice - admittedly a tough, tough place to win, but that fact makes him a difficult sell internally at a time when fan enthusiasm is at a low
- Mendenhall: A demonstrated winner at academically demanding schools, but feels like Shaw redux in a lot of ways, especially since he left UVa because he was resistant to changing up his staff as demanded by the AD (imagine having an AD who demands accountability, fellow Stanford fans!)
- Roman: He's not bringing Lamar with him from Baltimore, and it feels like he's being tossed in solely based on program ties from over a decade ago and not anything else
- Mason: The Vandy tenure was bad even by Vandy standards. Then again, Stanford is one of the few places a black head coach can get a second chance if history is any guide (check out Denny Green's record at Northwestern before he came to Stanford) - a plausible backup candidate should a primary one fall through, but not a first choice
RE: The Great Mentioners - Mick - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 07:44 AM)winflop Wrote:(11-27-2022, 10:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(11-27-2022, 10:05 PM)winflop Wrote:(11-27-2022, 06:48 PM)gocard14 Wrote: Peterson is the home run hire.
Not sure I agree. I think a lot depends on what Stanford is going to do about NIL & portal, and I think those things need to be solidified before talking to any coaches. I expect every candidate for the job to ask Muir what he's doing about them, and if he doesn't have a clear answer I would be a lot less interested in the job.
Time for Bernie to get off his tuckus, pronto.
I don’t think we have that kind of time. The portal opens Dec. 5, which is a week from tomorrow.
BC
Then we can throw that in the growing pile of "reasons that Muir should be fired." NIL & portal aren't just about football, although their impact on football appears more pronounced than any other sport. Stanford should have had a plan at least six months ago. It doesn't need to be a mind-blowing plan, but there doesn't appear to be anything. My understanding is that all three golfers who have significant NIL deals did them with no help from Stanford. Just one set of examples I'm sure there are many others.
Of all that's happened in the last four years, this is the most mind-blowing. Forget about having a plan, this feels like Muir was blown away with surprise.
RE: Stanford Football moving on - Mick - 11-28-2022
(11-27-2022, 10:10 PM)Goose Wrote:(11-27-2022, 10:09 PM)winflop Wrote:It would surprise me. Where is Cal going to get his 25 million dollar buyout?(11-27-2022, 09:04 PM)Goose Wrote: One potentially interesting note is that now Shaw is no longer in the mix, Wilcox of Cal is the second longest tenured (since 2017) PAC-12 coach. Obviously Whittingham of Utah is the longest tenured (since 2005). Chip Kelly and Jonathan Smith both arrived in 2018 Longevity in the PAC-12 just isn't a "thing" these days.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Wilcox were shown the door by the end of this week.
They can borrow against their debt-free stadium. Oh wait--they can't.
(11-28-2022, 07:21 AM)thunder_chik Wrote:(11-27-2022, 05:23 PM)Opus007 Wrote: I come to your board in respect for Coach Shaw and your great university. I would love to see Stanford be a major football player again. So. I have a question. Have you considered Mike Leach as your next football coach ? Think about it. Law degree from Pepperdine. Doesn't cheat and grads players. And I'm not sure he is all that happy at Mississippi State. Just a thought.Welcome, Opus007. My husband voiced the same idea about Leach. But I think the Pirate is like cilantro--you either love him or you can't stand him. Maybe KJ Costello would have a first-hand opinion to share.
One thing for sure: There would be no boring press conferences.
Cilantro tastes like soap to me. I reject it entirely. As do I reject Mike Leach.
RE: The Great Mentioners - MarinCard - 11-28-2022
(11-27-2022, 10:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Notes on Mendenhall from my brother (UVA grad).
Great coach. Super idiosyncratic. Not very dynamic or personable. His style doesn't play well in the NIL era. A good fit at a tier 2 school like BYU (Mendenhall is Mormon).
Inherited a car crash at UVA. Took the team as far as he could. First 2 years were rough. Then 4 consecutive winning records but did not compete for league titles.
Doesn't recruit all that well. Recruits for character. The 3 kids who were shot were his (but so was the shooter).
Would agree with most of that assessment, though to be slightly pedantic, he did quite literally compete for an ACC title in 2019 during UVa's Orange Bowl run, but ran into the brick wall that is (was?) the Clemson machine in the ACC championship.
RE: P5 coach on the market with Stanford connections - McKenwood - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 10:24 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(11-28-2022, 10:00 AM)msqueri Wrote: Chryst: I think there's a through line to some degree between Chryst, Shaw, Mendenhall, Cutcliffe, and others - lots of success but when things faltered very low appetite to change ways. Oftentimes this manifests in a loyalty/refusal to let go of under-performing assistants. I think Chryst would be an extremely plausible candidate for Stanford, just flagging that if fans want to move on from a coach being overly loyal/set in his ways/etc. Chryst has some baggage.
As you yourself frequently quote Heraclitus, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it is not the same river and he is not the same man", and while it is possible to become complacent and set the "second time around", it is also possible to learn from prior mistakes. I have no idea of Chryst is capable of such; it would be something that should be asked if he is a serious candidate and is invited to interview.
BC
Wisconsin fan here. I have been a big fan of this program ever since my daughter started there in 2012. Chryst inherited a difficult situation after Gary "the flake" Anderson left abruptly. Chryst really did well with a ground oriented attack that has been Wisconsin staple since Barry Alvarez took over way back when. His initial years were off the charts good but he definetely struggled on a relative basis the last three years. Part of this was a poor running game (sound familiar?) and picking the wrong young QB who did not perform up to his recruiting hype. The biggest red flag for Wisconsin besides the on-filed decline was the lack of high caliber recruiting. Chryst left key recruiting positions vacant for the better part of a year.
If not for the recruiting snafus Chryst might be a decent candidate for Stanford. He is an offensive minded coach that had success at both Pitt and Wisconsin. Because of the recruiting issues, I don't want Stanford to pursue him even though he runs the type of offense that could be successful at Stanford. He also benfited from a superlative defensive coordinator (Jim Leonhard) so he only had to focus on one side of the ball.
RE: Stanford Football moving on - Bampa - 11-28-2022
Quote:Cilantro tastes like soap to me. I reject it entirely. As do I reject Mike Leach.
+ 1
RE: Dave Clawson will be our next HC. Here's why. - needle - 11-28-2022
I am no recruitnik, but 24/7 puts Wake as having fringe top 60 classes most years.
Also—and this should apply to any coach—when you take out his best year, what do you have,
Excluding the outstanding 11-3 season in 2021, Lawson would be 47-50 at Wake with a 22-41 conference record.
I see Clawson as a Plan B guy but of course that’s just my opinion.
RE: P5 coach on the market with Stanford connections - SamuelMcF - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 12:30 PM)McKenwood Wrote: If not for the recruiting snafus Chryst might be a decent candidate for Stanford. He is an offensive minded coach that had success at both Pitt and Wisconsin. Because of the recruiting issues, I don't want Stanford to pursue him even though he runs the type of offense that could be successful at Stanford. He also benfited from a superlative defensive coordinator (Jim Leonhard) so he only had to focus on one side of the ball.
This is why I would love to give Leonhard a look. Wisconsin's hire of Fickell was a home run, but at the expense of Leonhard who everyone thought was the obvious choice.
He can focus on one side of the ball too - the other one.
RE: Dave Clawson will be our next HC. Here's why. - CompSci87 - 11-28-2022
...and the offensive players already know the slow mesh!
Hmm.
RE: Dave Clawson will be our next HC. Here's why. - washingtonismoney - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 01:09 PM)needle Wrote: I am no recruitnik, but 24/7 puts Wake as having fringe top 60 classes most years.
Also—and this should apply to any coach—when you take out his best year, what do you have,
Excluding the outstanding 11-3 season in 2021, Lawson would be 47-50 at Wake with a 22-41 conference record.
Of course, even with that exclusion, Clawson's still about 8 percentage points better than Wake's program record. That said, to me, you should probably also exclude Clawson's worst season as well as his best, which gets you to a state about 10 pp above Wake's record. So to me, Clawson's pretty comfortably above Wake's general average -- he seems to be bringing something to the table.
That said, I'm not totally convinced by Clawson either. I think media members tend to condescend to Stanford as a football school; they see all the obstacles but none of the benefits. To wit, Shaw recruited very well (by a class rankings standard) and could've done even better with a hint more aggression. Recruiting prowess should absolutely be a priority quality for Shaw's successor. What we don't know about guys like Clawson is whether his middling rankings are reflective of recruiting to Wake Forest, or it's due to lack of skill on his part. If the latter, I'm significantly less enthused about Clawson.
RE: Stanford Football moving on - Phogge - 11-28-2022
Today's Chronicle quotes Shaw as saying post-game, "We are not that far away." Twice.
Just about sums up the last four years.
RE: Stanford Football moving on - 76lsjumb - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 01:50 PM)Phogge Wrote: Today's Chronicle quotes Shaw as saying post-game, "We are not that far away." Twice.
Just about sums up the last four years.
C’mon. The horse is dead. Quit beating it…
RE: The Great Mentioners - Bruce Wang - 11-28-2022
I like the alum as coach model because otherwise we stay a stepping stone program. Of the alums out there, Troy Walters stands out. He had success at UCF as OC (finalist for OC of the year), but flamed out at Nebraska. He's currently the WR coach of the Bengals. It's hard to tell how good a coach he is because the talent level at Nebraska is not competitive in the B1G, and the talent level at WR at the Bengals is probably the best in the league (Chase, Higgins and Boyd). Our Trenton Irwin has done well under his fellow alums tutelage. Speaking of Shaggy...
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/2022/11/21/cincinnati-bengals-trenton-irwin-game-ball-pittsburgh-steelers/69667192007/
RE: P5 coach on the market with Stanford connections - PalmTree - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 01:17 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(11-28-2022, 12:30 PM)McKenwood Wrote: If not for the recruiting snafus Chryst might be a decent candidate for Stanford. He is an offensive minded coach that had success at both Pitt and Wisconsin. Because of the recruiting issues, I don't want Stanford to pursue him even though he runs the type of offense that could be successful at Stanford. He also benfited from a superlative defensive coordinator (Jim Leonhard) so he only had to focus on one side of the ball.
This is why I would love to give Leonhard a look. Wisconsin's hire of Fickell was a home run, but at the expense of Leonhard who everyone thought was the obvious choice.
He can focus on one side of the ball too - the other one.
Packers may supposedly now go hard after Leonhard for DC. Also, did not know he replaced Wilcox as the Badgers DC after the latter left for Kal. Maybe <somebody> in DAPER has him on speed/butt dial to gauge his interest? Buehler? Buehler?.....
RE: P5 coach on the market with Stanford connections - martyup - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 09:27 AM)StanUSwagU Wrote: . . . regarding the StanU Football Program
. . . his father did some coaching for StanU for 1 year as DC
. . . so we want the Next StanU Head Football Coach to be
. . . Characteristics of the next StanU Football Coach need to be
. . . StanU as 1 of their possible destinations
. . . We are both on Team StanU
. . . re-imagining of StanU Football
Every time I read "StanU", this comes into my mind:
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RE: Stanford Football moving on - SkiBum80 - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 01:56 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:(11-28-2022, 01:50 PM)Phogge Wrote: Today's Chronicle quotes Shaw as saying post-game, "We are not that far away." Twice.
Just about sums up the last four years.
C’mon. The horse is dead. Quit beating it…
I think there is a relevant point here.
Coach Shaw seems to be trying to say that he's leaving the program in good shape.
There's not the recent desired wins, but they are "close" to being there.
I think that is a false and misleading narrative.
I was sympathetic with Coach Shaw during press conference until he said if still had one of top 3 running backs healthy we'd now be getting ready to play in a bowl game.
He lost me there.
RE: Dave Clawson will be our next HC. Here's why. - StanUSwagU - 11-28-2022
(1). Stanford needs to turn over a new leaf & THINK BIG ! (enough with the 'little engine that could paradigm'); If you want to be a Program that wins 10 regular-season power5 games a season, you have to act like that in all regards, & THINK BIG !
(2). This is the attitude Coach JimHarbaugh brought which is why he reformed all the Program's player recruiting approaches, expectations of itself, & its perception by outsiders.
(3). I agree entirely with 'WashingtonIsMoney' on why Dave Clawson should not be the first choice for our next HC with regard to Coach Clawson's record at Wake Forest over his tenure there.
(4). Dave Clawson's ACC record over his long tenure was approx 29-42 (which shows inability to pivot & find creative solutions to WakeForests challenges)
(5). While Clawson is not a bad coach, Stanford (StanU) should have 'way higher aspirations' for its Football Program than a coach who went 29-42 in the ACC
(6). 1 of the key criteria for the next Coach, in my opinion, is that this Coach needs to 'BigName enough & Charismatic enough' to win Recruiting Battles vs NotreDame & UCLA & USC for 4/5 star blue-chip recruits & a person charismatic enough to convince 4 & 5 star athletes to come to the Pac12 (after USC and UCLA leave for the Big10) ...and that is not Coach Clawson.
RE: Dave Clawson will be our next HC. Here's why. - threepointer - 11-28-2022
(11-28-2022, 02:36 PM)StanUSwagU Wrote: (1). Stanford needs to turn over a new leaf & THINK BIG ! (enough with the 'little engine that could paradigm'); If you want to be a Program that wins 10 regular-season power5 games a season, you have to act like that in all regards, & THINK BIG !
(2). This is the attitude Coach JimHarbaugh brought which is why he reformed all the Program's player recruiting approaches, expectations of itself, & its perception by outsiders.
(6). 1 of the key criteria for the next Coach, in my opinion, is that this Coach needs to 'BigName enough & Charismatic enough' to win Recruiting Battles vs NotreDame & UCLA & USC for 4/5 star blue-chip recruits & a person charismatic enough to convince 4 & 5 star athletes to come to the Pac12 (after USC and UCLA leave for the Big10) ...and that is not Coach Clawson.
Stanford always thinks big. There is no reason that philosophy shouldn't be applied to Football.