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RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - Sakibomb25 - 05-03-2024
(05-03-2024, 07:32 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: Xu’s play this season has been absolutely maddening. I would’ve dropped her in favor of Yu months ago.
And I very much do not love that first set from Blokhina.
But good for Sun! She totally surprised me.
Onto the next!
Do you think maybe our expectations of Xu are too high? I mean she is winning her matches for the most part and she is 11-4 for dual matches. Is it that our expectations are super high because she came in as the No. 4 player in her class, so it's almost like we should be expecting her to dominate?
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - spike5882 - 05-04-2024
(05-03-2024, 08:30 PM)Sakibomb25 Wrote:(05-03-2024, 07:32 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: Xu’s play this season has been absolutely maddening. I would’ve dropped her in favor of Yu months ago.
And I very much do not love that first set from Blokhina.
But good for Sun! She totally surprised me.
Onto the next!
Do you think maybe our expectations of Xu are too high? I mean she is winning her matches for the most part and she is 11-4 for dual matches. Is it that our expectations are super high because she came in as the No. 4 player in her class, so it's almost like we should be expecting her to dominate?
I think it’s more along the line of her playing in the 6th spot. Traditionally, we don’t struggle at the lower spots, and generally speaking she should dominate playing at that place in the lineup. It’d be different if she was playing higher.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-04-2024
Exactly right. It’s the combination of Xu’s talent and her playing at #6 against lesser players. In the past, she’s dominated lesser players, but over the past couple months, she’s had a bewildering inability to just come out and stomp on them.
Many teams have an ace or a couple of great players, but most teams get significantly weaker as you move down the lineup. I wouldn’t be mad if Xu’s results came in a Pac-12 season where she played at 3 and 4. But she’s playing at 6, and she’s still struggling. And sure, this match was on Court 4, but it was against UMass, with players who wouldn’t crack the lineup of the vast majority of teams we’ve played this year. I mean, Emma Sun handled her match without any difficulty! And Xu is about ten times better than Sun. So it’s not a talent question, but a mentality and decision-making question.
I wonder if we’d be seeing her in sharper form if Lele had benched her for longer stretches this season in favor of Yu, if only to shock her into better form.
Traditionally, it’s our depth that wins us titles, as our top 3 face the other teams’ best but our bottom 3 overwhelm weaker opponents. And on paper, we have that kind of absurd depth. But it hasn’t translated. Xu should be first off court in most of these matches, but we’re relying more on Blake and Ma and Yepifanova. (And yes, there’s some blame for Blokhina and Hui, particularly Blokhina, to share here. But Xu stands out.)
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - Sakibomb25 - 05-04-2024
(05-04-2024, 08:26 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote: Exactly right. It’s the combination of Xu’s talent and her playing at #6 against lesser players. In the past, she’s dominated lesser players, but over the past couple months, she’s had a bewildering inability to just come out and stomp on them.
Many teams have an ace or a couple of great players, but most teams get significantly weaker as you move down the lineup. I wouldn’t be mad if Xu’s results came in a Pac-12 season where she played at 3 and 4. But she’s playing at 6, and she’s still struggling. And sure, this match was on Court 4, but it was against UMass, with players who wouldn’t crack the lineup of the vast majority of teams we’ve played this year. I mean, Emma Sun handled her match without any difficulty! And Xu is about ten times better than Sun. So it’s not a talent question, but a mentality and decision-making question.
I wonder if we’d be seeing her in sharper form if Lele had benched her for longer stretches this season in favor of Yu, if only to shock her into better form.
Traditionally, it’s our depth that wins us titles, as our top 3 face the other teams’ best but our bottom 3 overwhelm weaker opponents. And on paper, we have that kind of absurd depth. But it hasn’t translated. Xu should be first off court in most of these matches, but we’re relying more on Blake and Ma and Yepifanova. (And yes, there’s some blame for Blokhina and Hui, particularly Blokhina, to share here. But Xu stands out.)
Fair point and I agree with it all. However, I don’t know Xu’s game at all, as I am not able to regular watch matches. Could it be that the recruiting rankings just got it wrong with her? Or is it just she isn’t able to mentally put it together and constantly plays down to her opponent?
I definitely would have liked to have seen Yu at the No. 6 spot, but that ship has sailed unfortunately.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-04-2024
FYI, because of rain, the LSU second-round match has been postponed to a “no earlier than 5pm” start.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - 82lsju - 05-04-2024
(05-04-2024, 02:26 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: FYI, because of rain, the LSU second-round match has been postponed to a “no earlier than 5pm” start.
here in Los Altos the rain has stopped and the clouds are slowly clearing
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - BostonCard - 05-04-2024
Stanford won the double's point easily taking the 2's (6-2) and 3's (6-3). Ma and Yepifanova were up 5-4 in court 1 when the point was clinched.
In singles, Ma is sitting this one out. She played at the doubles, so probably not injured. Stanford took 4 of the 6 first sets, including Xu with a bagel. Blake, Yepifanova, and Hui all took care of business as well.
Hui first in with a 6-1, 6-4 victory to put us up 2-0.
Blake and Yepifanova are up a break or two in their respective second sets.
BC
Also, looks like the men beat #11 Oklahoma on the road to make it to the super regionals.
BC
Blake and Yepifanova took care of business and we won 4-0.
BC
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - Jamesy - 05-04-2024
Xu went 6-0, 4-6 and I can just imagine ColoradoTree's head exploding again...
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-06-2024
Yeah, I saw that scoreline and you could probably hear my teeth grinding a thousand miles away!
Ma sitting out singles is a question mark--I would've liked to see the full lineup play, to be honest. With Yu, I felt like we had an interchangeable part with Xu or even Hui, and to be seven deep with great players is a tremendous benefit. But without Yu, we're really 6 deep. We can still win overall matches with Houghton at 6, but there's a sizable dip in quality from Yu to her, and we're probably winning those matches while eating a loss at 6.
Like BC noted, the fact Ma played in doubles suggests she's probably fine. And if she's got a minor tweak, she's got a week to let it heal. Hopefully it's nothing. But it should go without saying that without Ma in the singles lineup, we're not winning a title.
Both Blokhina and Xu were bound for third sets, but there's always something about fighting back from a first-set loss and taking the second and going to the decider with all the momentum that just always feels better. Blokhina had lost the first 6-4 but was storming back in the second, up 5-2. Meanwhile Xu served up a bagel in the first but then lost the second. Now, you are how you finish, and we have no way of knowing whether they would have imposed their will in their respective third sets, and in the hypothetical world where Xu won 6-0, 4-6, 6-1 or something like that, we could construct a narrative of that match where she ran into some adversity but then overcame it and dominated through the finish. But nonetheless, she played someone she just shouldn't drop sets against.
The final score was 4-0, but it was moments away from being 4-1 with Houghton about to lose on Court 6, and had Blokhina and Xu ended up losing, this could've been 4-3. And 4-3 against this LSU team is just flat-out unacceptable.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-06-2024
Per tennis commentator John Parsons (@JTweetsTennis), we have our explanation as to why Yu isn't on the postseason roster: she has entered the transfer portal.
He noted that this is the first transfer out of Stanford that he can recall, and I can't recall another one, either.
There is no better university where you could play tennis. There is no better women's tennis program. That's why this program is the brass ring for so many high school tennis players.
It is, in a word, stunning.
No reason given, but given how she's largely been on the outside of the lineup looking in, it seems entirely reasonable to speculate that this decision is related to playing time. And yes, this lineup is one of the hardest to make as a freshman. And historically, this program has attracted the kind of student-athlete that recognizes and accepts how difficult it is to make the lineup but commits to trying to work her way up the lineup each year. There are often blue chips on this roster that barely crack the roster their entire careers--heck, India Houghton is one of them. Kimberly Yee came in with Melissa Lord and Caroline Lampl as three blue chips, and while Yee played some at #6 her freshman year, she barely played singles again.
I mean, I'm on record here as saying I would've dropped Xu from the singles lineup in favor of Yu months ago. Xu's results have been wanting, and every time Yu has stepped in at 6, she's dominated. But I'm not in practice everyday, and I don't know how Yu has performed versus Xu. Heck, perhaps Lele knew this was coming months ago as soon as she first decided Hui should play higher than Yu, and then with an eye toward NCAAs in May, decided to keep playing Xu at 6 rather than Yu because she knew she wouldn't be able to count on Yu being there in May and she needed Xu to work through her struggles so she could be playing well when it mattered most.
But that's all speculation. I'm not an insider, just a fan. And speaking as a fan, all I can say is that I'm stunned. Transferring for more playing time is something that happens in other programs. Or at other schools. But not this program.
I'm also a little angry. This is a team that is capable of winning a national championship, and not having Yu as injury insurance appreciably lessens the odds of us winning. And if the decision to sit out the postseason was hers, then it is selfish. Maybe a smart business decision, if she wants to preserve her health ahead of a transfer, but still a selfish one. (And really, how often does the #7 get injured?)
I have to assume that the player-coach relationship got pretty bad here, and there are always two sides to every story. But as this appears to be the first outgoing transfer of Lele's entire tenure, my suspicion is that the issue here lies more on the player side of the relationship. I don't doubt that Lele has had hundreds of difficult conversations with student-athletes who have professional ambitions and are unhappy with their place in the pecking order. That's part and parcel of being at a place that attracts the very best and being in a sport that is hierarchical by nature. And history tells us that Lele has been able to manage those conversations before well enough, or at least well enough to avoid the player leaving. Until now.
Sure, playing time next year would have been an uncertain prospect, what with Blake leaving and #1 recruit Valerie Glozman coming in. But in her junior year, Yu would've been looking at being in a top 3 with Hui and Glozman. And Lele has shown that just because you play above someone one year doesn't mean you'll stay above them forever. People progress differently, after all.
Anyway, the immediate lineup impacts are mitigated by what I just said: next year we lose Blake (as well as Geller and Houghton) but gain Glozman, so we still have an excellent (and championship-caliber) top 6. But right now, our #7 would be Emma Sun, and that gives me heartburn. Perhaps we might gain another grad transfer like we did with Okpara this year, too.
But it upends the math the year after that:
Spring 2025:
Seniors (3): Ma, Yepifanova, Xu
Juniors (2): Blokhina, Sun
Sophomores (1): Hui
Freshmen (1): Glozman
(There are other recruits listed as having been offered by Stanford, but they're walk-on caliber.)
Spring 2026:
Seniors (2): Blokhina, Sun
Juniors (1): Hui
Sophomores (1): Glozman
Freshmen: TBD
The recruiting hole gets all the bigger when you think about replacing that class of Ma, Yepifanova, and Xu. We have to crush it in the Class of 2025. And no reason to think we won't, as all of a sudden our lineup goes from being very difficult to crack to looking like certain playing time for a couple of incoming freshmen. A pretty attractive prospect.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-06-2024
Precisely who we'd be in on, recruit-wise, I have no idea. But one name that stands out is current #3 recruit Alyssa Ahn of San Diego, who won a girls' 16s national title in 2022 and who is the top college-bound recruit who hasn't verbally committed yet. We sometimes see that with Stanford, as folks wait to commit and want to see if they get in. But she said in 2022 that Stanford was her dream, so let's hope she still feels that way (and that we feel the same).
A number of the top 10 are already committed, though as these players are high school juniors, a lot can change between now and then, and perhaps the prospect of playing in the lineup for Stanford right away is enough of an inducement to get them to switch from Harvard (as is the case for #5 recruit Tianmei Wang of San Marino, CA), Princeton (#4 recruit Monika Ekstrand of Delray Beach, FL), or UNC (#7 recruit Alanis Hamilton of Bentonville, AR).
Also uncommitted in the top are a trio from New York: #8 Leena Friedman of Brooklyn, #9 Christasha McNeil of Lindenhurst, and #10 Claire An from NYC.
And it could be that we see an international student. We take international tennis players much less frequently than other top programs, but it's not unheard of, with Ana Geller (Argentina), Emily Arbuthnott (UK), and Carol Zhao (Canada) recent examples.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - BobK - 05-06-2024
This is the last year for a covid year for a spring sports. Fall and winter sports get another covid year
I can’t find the answer but maybe given tennis is year round they have a covid year and maybe a Sr will be back
Both Srs were honored on Sr Day. Geller and Houghton. Oh well
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - cardfan77 - 05-06-2024
The timing of Yu entering the portal is so interesting. Why not wait until the season is over? Wasn’t Yu the higher recruit over Hui? I wondered what really happened. I’m with you ColoradoTree. I would have put Yu at 6 over Xu.
Maybe she’s homesick? Maybe Ohio state offered her a nice NIL package.
Is Akasha Urhobo bypassing college and turning professional?
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - Sakibomb25 - 05-06-2024
Yu finally took off the Stanford Women's Tennis IG handle on her IG profile... so I guess there is no coming back.
Could this be the end of Stanford being able to stack blue chip recruits? I wonder what went wrong between Yu and Forood. I wonder if Yu is consistently beating Xu in practice and got frustrated that she was continuosly being benched? Or maybe it was something specific Yu wasn't doing that Forood didn't like? Who knows... but man, what a bummer. I was looking forward to Yu having a spectacular sophomore year.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - 2006alum - 05-06-2024
I know nothing about Yu other than the little that folks here have said and my research about her WTA record, but based on her WTA challenger seasons in the spring of 2022 vs. 2023, it looks like her game really trailed off in the months before she enrolled at Stanford. After regularly making it deep into the draws of challengers her sophomore and junior years of high school, Yu won one match between Nov. 2022 and enrolling at Stanford in Sept. 2023.
So it's possible she simply isn't as good as she used to be, and/or her peer cohort has advanced more than she has, and rather than stew at the bottom of the lineup, she'd like to go someplace where she can regularly play her way back into form?
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-07-2024
(05-06-2024, 04:29 PM)BobK Wrote: This is the last year for a covid year for a spring sports. Fall and winter sports get another covid year
I can’t find the answer but maybe given tennis is year round they have a covid year and maybe a Sr will be back
Both Srs were honored on Sr Day. Geller and Houghton. Oh well
Plus, no way Houghton or Geller would factor into Yu's decision--she's ahead of them already and is only likely to expand on that.
(05-06-2024, 06:35 PM)cardfan77 Wrote: The timing of Yu entering the portal is so interesting. Why not wait until the season is over? Wasn’t Yu the higher recruit over Hui? I wondered what really happened. I’m with you ColoradoTree. I would have put Yu at 6 over Xu.Yeah, Urhobo already turned pro back in 2022, so no chance at her.
Maybe she’s homesick? Maybe Ohio state offered her a nice NIL package.
Is Akasha Urhobo bypassing college and turning professional?
And Yu was just slightly better than Hui as a recruit, yeah. But it was close, and as 2006alum noted, her game seemed to tail off her senior year and that summer, while Hui was kicking it up a notch. That made it a toss-up to me as to where they'd play in the lineup when they got here, whereas I would've penciled Yu in above Hui when they signed.
(05-06-2024, 07:39 PM)Sakibomb25 Wrote: Yu finally took off the Stanford Women's Tennis IG handle on her IG profile... so I guess there is no coming back.
Could this be the end of Stanford being able to stack blue chip recruits? I wonder what went wrong between Yu and Forood. I wonder if Yu is consistently beating Xu in practice and got frustrated that she was continuosly being benched? Or maybe it was something specific Yu wasn't doing that Forood didn't like? Who knows... but man, what a bummer. I was looking forward to Yu having a spectacular sophomore year.
Nah, I don't think this is the end of Stanford stacking blue chips. We'll always be able to do that, I think. We're just too desirable a landing spot. With the massive caveat that I have no idea what actually happened between Yu and Forood, and I'd love to get that scuttlebutt, my assumption is that this is a lot more about Yu than Stanford or Forood.
My suspicion is what 2006alum said--Yu believed that she should have been playing in the lineup (and I bet she wouldn't have been happy at 6, either), and Lele was making decisions based on how players looked in practice and recent form, and for various reasons, she felt Xu earned the spot more than Yu did. But Lele has dealt with strong personalities and frustrated players before, so obviously something was different here.
I mean, ultimately, if someone has the opportunity to go to Stanford--and especially play tennis here--and they decide to go to, say, Ohio State instead, if Yu decides to go closer to home, then they never belonged here in the first place.
The proof of the pudding is in the tasting, and we don't know our recruiting class until they sign, so who knows who will be in the class following Glozman. But if we don't bring in an undergraduate transfer that changes the calculus, I really do think folks who are committed elsewhere will be giving us a second look due to the greater likelihood of cracking the lineup, especially folks like Ekstrand and Wang who committed to Ivies. We usually get our commits late due to admissions, so Glozman didn't commit until after she was accepted last fall.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-07-2024
Anyway, back to the NCAA tournament! (Though I'm happy to perseverate over recruiting and lineup implications of Yu's decision all day, obviously.)
Most second-round matches were relatively uncompetitive, though a couple of seeds did lose and a couple more came close:
* (12) Ohio State (perhaps Yu's next home?) lost 4-3 to #31 Vanderbilt;
* (14) Florida lost 4-3 to #22 Miami, which is interesting because Ohio State and Florida were two of our better wins;
* (9) Texas advanced, but narrowly, as they beat #24 Georgia Tech 4-3 and needed a three-setter on Court 6 to do it, as Georgia Tech won on Courts 1, 2, and 5.
* (3) Michigan beat #30 Notre Dame 4-2, as the Irish took doubles to go up 1-0, Michigan's Julia Fliegner won quickly on Court 3 to make it 1-1, ND's Freeman beat UM's Gala Mesochoritou to make it 2-1 Irish, but Michigan won three more to end it. But they needed a very narrow wins on Court 5 (7-6, 6-4) and Court 6 (2-6, 6-2, 6-3) to do it, and the remaining match was on serve in the third set. So, some surprising weakness from Michigan there.
As for our fellows in the moribund Pac-12, the seeds won and the unseeded teams lost:
* (11) USC had no trouble with #23 San Diego without the Toreros' #1, de las Heras, in the lineup, 4-0;
* (10) Cal beat #17 Auburn 4-0 behind a narrow win at doubles (ate a bagel on Court 1, won 7-6 on 2 and 7-5 on 3) and then three very routine singles wins--Cal won all six first sets;
* (8) UCLA rolled over Texas Tech 4-0;
* #26 ASU lost to (6) Pepperdine, 4-1, Washington got upset by Princeton 4-3, and Arizona lost as expected to Oklahoma, 4-0.
That sets up the following Super Regional matches this weekend:
Friday, May 10:
12:00pm: (8) UCLA vs. (9) Texas
1:00pm: (6) Pepperdine vs. (11) USC
1:00pm: (7) Georgia vs. (10) Cal
2:00pm: (2) Stanford vs. (15) NC State
3:00pm: (4) UNC vs. (13) Texas A&M
Saturday, May 11:
10:00am: (5) UVA vs. #31 Vanderbilt
10:00am: (3) Michigan vs. #22 Miami
1:00pm: (1) Oklahoma State vs. (16) Tennessee
Notes:
* This will be the third matchup between Pepperdine and USC this season. Pepperdine won the first one, 4-2, at National Indoors in February, and the second, 4-0, in Malibu in late March. Had the seed lines been just one different, we could have seen a fourth matchup between Pepperdine and Cal.
* UNC-A&M has the potential to be a fantastic match, with Texas A&M benefitting from having Carson Branstine back from what looked like the start of a pro career. A&M will have to be perfect, but an upset isn't out of the question here.
* As good as Georgia is, I think Cal has a decent shot at an upset here. Can you imagine another Stanford-Cal rematch in the NCAA quarters in Stillwater?
* I'll keep my eye on UNC-A&M and UGA-Cal, but for the rest of the matches, I think chalk wins out.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - Canalejas - 05-07-2024
(05-07-2024, 12:08 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: The proof of the pudding is in the tasting
I just want to say that I appreciate you using this form of the proverb.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - ColoradoTree - 05-07-2024
Looking ahead to the Stanford-NC State, here are some thoughts and how the lineups project:
* This is a rematch of last year's NCAA semifinal, where NC State beat us 4-0. But that team had Diana Shnaider (now in the pros) and Alana Smith, both of whom were top 15 players when we played them last year. In that match, Shnaider crushed Yepifanova (6-1, 6-0), and Smith won a tight won over Ma (7-5, 7-5). Blokhina was a game away from beating then-#87 Abigail Rencheli in straight sets, Blake had split sets with then-#26 Amelia Rajecki at 3, and Xu had done the same with Sophie Abrams at 5. Choy lost surprisingly on Court 6, 6-3, 7-6 to Gina Dittmann.
* This year, Rajecki has held down the #1 spot, Rencheli has mostly played #2, Anna Zyryanova has mostly played #3 (she was their #7 last year), and the 4-5-6 courts have been shared between a rotation of Abrams, Dittmann, and freshman Maddy Zampardo
* But this is still a team that has beaten preseason #1 UNC twice this year, once at National Indoors and once in the regular season, though they lost 4-0 to UNC in the ACC tournament. Here's how those three matches played out:
* In the first match, UNC took the doubles point behind wins on 2 and 3, and they got straight-set wins from Rajecki over Crawley at 1, Abrams over Forbes at 4, and Rencheli over Tanguilig on 2 before they took three-set losses by Zambardo to Tran at 6 and Dittmann to Rabman at 5 before they got the winner on Court 3, with Zyryanova beating Yarlagadda in a third-set tiebreaker. (Looks like Scotty didn't play.)
* In the second match, UNC again took the doubles point, this time with wins on 1 and 3, and then went up 2-0 with Scotty crushing Rencheli on Court 2. Rajecki beat Crawley again on 1 and Dittmann beat Tanguilig on 4 in three sets to make it 2-2. Yarlagadda crushed Abrams at 5 to make it 3-2 UNC with both remaining matches in third sets. Zambardo beat Tatum Evans on 6 and Zyryanova beat Tran on 3 for another 4-3 win.
* In the third match, UNC again won doubles, getting wins on all three courts. This time, Tanguilig crushed Zyryanova on Court 3 for 2-0, Yarlagadda did the same to Zampardo on 5, and Scotty handled Rencheli on 2 for the 4-0 win. When it was clinched, Crawley was about to send it to a third set on Court 1, Dittmann had won the first set over Tran on 4 but was down a break in the second, and Abrams had won the first set over Evans in a tiebreaker but was trailing in the second.
Based on the most recent lineups, these are the matchups I expect:
Doubles:
1. #10 Ma/Yepifanova vs. #12 Rajecki/Zampardo
2. Blake/Blokhina vs. #29 Abrams/Zyryanova
3. Hui/Xu vs. Dittmann/Rencheli
Singles:
1. #25 Blake vs. #2 Amelia Rajecki
2. #7 Ma vs. #71 Abigail Rencheli
3. #29 Yepifanova vs. #62 Anna Zyryanova
4. Blokhina vs. Dittmann
5. Hui vs. Zampardo
6. Xu vs. Abrams
That's two rematches from last year--Blake-Rajecki and Xu-Abrams. I'd favor us on courts 2-5, and NC State on Court 1.
As for doubles, I'll go out on a limb and say that we take the doubles point behind wins on 1 and 3. Ma/Yepifanova have gone 10-4 on Court 1, the same as Rajecki/Zampardo, Blake/Blokhina have gone 4-4 on 2 while Abrams/Zyryanova have gone 12-4, and Hui/Xu have gone 17-5 on 3. A lot of transition on Court 3 for NC State this year, but Dittmann/Rencheli are 0-2 there and Broadfoot/Rencheli were just 9-7. So it'll be a tough doubles point, but if we get it, I think it's highly unlikely that NC State gets four singles wins against us.
RE: Women's Tennis 2024 - CompSci87 - 05-07-2024
(05-07-2024, 01:25 PM)Canalejas Wrote:(05-07-2024, 12:08 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: The proof of the pudding is in the tasting
I just want to say that I appreciate you using this form of the proverb.
I've heard it with "eating" instead of "tasting", basically the same thing.
I've also heard "The proof is in the pudding," which makes no sense to me at all.