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RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 05:30 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: What's the come down like when the Dex wears off?
The reaction to steroids is very variable. Some people don't feel it, others get a bit jumpy (have trouble sleeping, for example), and occasionally you have people go into a full on psychosis (I had one patient do that and it was downright scary). As long as patients aren't on for long enough to suppress their native steroid production (and a five day course of dexamethasone is not long enough), then the symptoms go away when you stop the treatment. I have not seen patients develop a withdrawal from that short a course.
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Snorlax94 - 10-05-2020
Of course he was going to triple down on the Atlas suicide mission and lead his followers to many of their deaths. Of course he was.
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RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-05-2020
Hopefully Atlas gets Covid and needs to be on a ventilator for about 10 weeks, so he can't kill more people with his insane ideas. He can come off vent in January, then pack his bags when a new administration is about to take over.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-05-2020
Yeah, guess I was wrong to expect any real change. He's going to try and lead a reopening charge into the teeth of rising covid numbers and the winter flu season. Maybe he'll see the light if he has to go back to Walter Reed.
Glad I'm in California.
lex24 - lex24 - 10-05-2020
What did you expect? Basically what he said was not to let Covid dominate your life, don’t be afraid we have great Drs and we are going to beat this. Would you rather he said: “This is freaking scary stuff. Stay in your room and hide. Otherwise your f—-ed. I had the best care in the world or I’d have died. We are doomed.”
Seriously. It’s not as if he came out, said it’s a walk in the park, let’s open up the stadiums and party.
RE: lex24 - 82 Card - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 08:58 PM)lex24 Wrote: What did you expect? Basically what he said was not to let Covid dominate your life, don’t be afraid we have great Drs and we are going to beat this. Would you rather he said: “This is freaking scary stuff. Stay in your room and hide. Otherwise your f—-ed. I had the best care in the world or I’d have died. We are doomed.”
Seriously. It’s not as if he came out, said it’s a walk in the park, let’s open up the stadiums and party.
Those are really the only alternatives you see?
lex24 - lex24 - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 09:19 PM)82 Card Wrote: [quote="lex24" pid='292668' dateline='1601956720']
What did you expect? Basically what he said was not to let Covid dominate your life, don’t be afraid we have great Drs and we are going to beat this. Would you rather he said: “This is freaking scary stuff. Stay in your room and hide. Otherwise your f—-ed. I had the best care in the world or I’d have died. We are doomed.”
Seriously. It’s not as if he came out, said it’s a walk in the park, let’s open up the stadiums and party.
Those are really the only alternatives you see?
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I was trying to make a point. Which, of course, you know.
Trump deserves a lot of (most) the criticism he gets. But it’s over the top at times. I think the comments regarding his statement leaving the hospital is one of those times. Thus, my comment.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 07:46 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Hopefully Atlas gets Covid and needs to be on a ventilator for about 10 weeks, so he can't kill more people with his insane ideas. He can come off vent in January, then pack his bags when a new administration is about to take over.
I think this is an inappropriate post. If you disagree with Scott Atlas (as I do), then argue against his ideas. Arguing that he should become critically ill is not appropriate for a public message board.
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - akiddoc - 10-06-2020
(10-05-2020, 03:48 PM)magnus Wrote:(10-05-2020, 03:22 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: only 32 percent of the patients with altered mental function were able to handle routine daily activities like cooking and paying bills,
How many patients could cook or pay bills pre-covid?
Not Trump!
RE: lex24 - 82 Card - 10-06-2020
(10-05-2020, 09:38 PM)lex24 Wrote:(10-05-2020, 09:19 PM)82 Card Wrote: [quote="lex24" pid='292668' dateline='1601956720']
What did you expect? Basically what he said was not to let Covid dominate your life, don’t be afraid we have great Drs and we are going to beat this. Would you rather he said: “This is freaking scary stuff. Stay in your room and hide. Otherwise your f—-ed. I had the best care in the world or I’d have died. We are doomed.”
Seriously. It’s not as if he came out, said it’s a walk in the park, let’s open up the stadiums and party.
Those are really the only alternatives you see?
[quote)
I was trying to make a point. Which, of course, you know.
Trump deserves a lot of (most) the criticism he gets. But it’s over the top at times. I think the comments regarding his statement leaving the hospital is one of those times. Thus, my comment.
I really don't get your point. Trump really did try to make it sound like it's no big deal, just go out and do stuff. He really did rip off his mask while gasping for air and swaying like his head was spinning and then go in close proximity to a bunch of people. I don't get the compulsion to constantly defend this creep and attack anyone that looks crosswise at him.
RE: lex24 - Farm93 - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 12:49 AM)82 Card Wrote:Hey now - I am definitely right there with everyone that dreams of a better day in mid-January. Still today we can give him a bit of a pass.(10-05-2020, 09:38 PM)lex24 Wrote:(10-05-2020, 09:19 PM)82 Card Wrote: [quote="lex24" pid='292668' dateline='1601956720']
What did you expect? Basically what he said was not to let Covid dominate your life, don’t be afraid we have great Drs and we are going to beat this. Would you rather he said: “This is freaking scary stuff. Stay in your room and hide. Otherwise your f—-ed. I had the best care in the world or I’d have died. We are doomed.”
Seriously. It’s not as if he came out, said it’s a walk in the park, let’s open up the stadiums and party.
Those are really the only alternatives you see?
[quote)
I was trying to make a point. Which, of course, you know.
Trump deserves a lot of (most) the criticism he gets. But it’s over the top at times. I think the comments regarding his statement leaving the hospital is one of those times. Thus, my comment.
I really don't get your point. Trump really did try to make it sound like it's no big deal, just go out and do stuff. He really did rip off his mask while gasping for air and swaying like his head was spinning and then go in close proximity to a bunch of people. I don't get the compulsion to constantly defend this creep and attack anyone that looks crosswise at him.
President Trump is clearly on a bunch of meds that make it very hard for him to think rationally. He also lacks a normal level of campaign and political support because, for some reason, a large number of his staff are unable to go to work in the West Wing right now.
So a guy apparently close to roid-rage has no one near him that can guide him. What could possibly go wrong???
FWIW the stadium comment was curious BTW because Trump has been on record for a long time that stadiums should be open.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/16/857180616/president-trump-pushes-to-open-paused-sports-leagues
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - OutsiderFan - 10-06-2020
All members of Cult45 claim anyone who criticize their leader have TDS. This is what cult members do. I'm not going to claim lex24 is a member, but defending the "don't let it dominate your life..." comments is pretty damn close to putting one in the cult.
The reason I said I want Atlas on a ventilator is because I saw a report that he was meeting with health care officials yesterday pushing for his INSANE herd immunity approach to be adopted. Not like he is going to be fired, so he's a threat to the entire planet right now. The only way to mitigate him as a threat is for him to get sick and be incapacitated. I didn't wish for him to die, and would want him catatonic in a closet (like Grandparents in Weird Science), but that's not an option. The only realistic way to sideline Atlas is what I said. The idea that I can't say I want a guy who puts all of us at risk neutralized, the only way it seems possible, is a surrender monkey mentality to me.
Should I not have wished Hitler dead while he was killing millions of people because it's not PC to wish bad things on others? On a related note, Joe Biden should fire up the attack ads on the POTUS for his recklessness, even if he is close enough to knock on death's door right now.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Genuine Realist - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 05:14 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: All members of Cult45 claim anyone who criticize their leader have TDS. This is what cult members do. I'm not going to claim lex24 is a member, but defending the "don't let it dominate your life..." comments is pretty damn close to putting one in the cult.No real problem with the thought that we should not let the virus dominate us. He's right about that.
The reason I said I want Atlas on a ventilator is because I saw a report that he was meeting with health care officials yesterday pushing for his INSANE herd immunity approach to be adopted. Not like he is going to be fired, so he's a threat to the entire planet right now. The only way to mitigate him as a threat is for him to get sick and be incapacitated. I didn't wish for him to die, and would want him catatonic in a closet (like Grandparents in Weird Science), but that's not an option. The only realistic way to sideline Atlas is what I said. The idea that I can't say I want a guy who puts all of us at risk neutralized, the only way it seems possible, is a surrender monkey mentality to me.
Should I not have wished Hitler dead while he was killing millions of people because it's not PC to wish bad things on others? On a related note, Joe Biden should fire up the attack ads on the POTUS for his recklessness, even if he is close enough to knock on death's door right now.
That we resist domination by ignoring ordinary common sense and prudence??
Ah, that's our boy, to the life. The sooner shown the exit, the better.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 05:14 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The reason I said I want Atlas on a ventilator is because I saw a report that he was meeting with health care officials yesterday pushing for his INSANE herd immunity approach to be adopted.
I don't favor going after herd immunity, but it is not insane. It is the approach that Sweden has gone for, and though I have been critical of its approach, that was not a policy that was designed by someone who suffers from mental illness. The man who devised the policy, Anders Tegnell, is a infectious diseases physician with a masters in epidemiology. You can accurately claim that Atlas doesn't have the qualifications for the position he is holding in the administration; you cannot claim that for Tegnell.
As a general point, though, if you label policy positions with which you disagree as being "insane" how can you possibly engage with them? How can you think about the relative merits and drawbacks? How do you even examine your own positions?
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - Goose - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 08:11 AM)BostonCard Wrote: As a general point, though, if you label policy positions with which you disagree as being "insane" how can you possibly engage with them? How can you think about the relative merits and drawbacks?Totally agree, and I believe that this drives many of the deep divisions that appear to exist in our country. Why would one attempt to reason with a person that you have already decided is insane?
Quote:How do you even examine your own positions?Especially this. If you don't examine your own assumptions and understand what must be true for your position to have merit you will not be in a position to rationally defend it. Sometimes it turns out you can't defend all your assumptions or prove the all truths you need to be correct.
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - teejers1 - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 08:51 AM)Goose Wrote:(10-06-2020, 08:11 AM)BostonCard Wrote: As a general point, though, if you label policy positions with which you disagree as being "insane" how can you possibly engage with them? How can you think about the relative merits and drawbacks?Totally agree, and I believe that this drives many of the deep divisions that appear to exist in our country. Why would one attempt to reason with a person that you have already decided is insane?
Quote:How do you even examine your own positions?Especially this. If you don't examine your own assumptions and understand what must be true for your position to have merit you will not be in a position to rationally defend it. Sometimes it turns out you can't defend all your assumptions or prove the all truths you need to be correct.
BC
The ultimate disconnect is seen in this thread alone. If you don't strenuously object to (let alone agree with) the position that you should not let Covid "dominate your life" then people label you a defender of "a creep" and a cultist. It is a remarkable phenomenon that goes back to Trump fixation/obsession and the inability to engage rationally (for many . . . obviously not all).
P.S. Had to look up TDS (and down a bit on Google hit). Still, I don't think OF has used the term correctly.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - 82 Card - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 11:14 AM)teejers1 Wrote:(10-06-2020, 08:51 AM)Goose Wrote:(10-06-2020, 08:11 AM)BostonCard Wrote: As a general point, though, if you label policy positions with which you disagree as being "insane" how can you possibly engage with them? How can you think about the relative merits and drawbacks?Totally agree, and I believe that this drives many of the deep divisions that appear to exist in our country. Why would one attempt to reason with a person that you have already decided is insane?
Quote:How do you even examine your own positions?Especially this. If you don't examine your own assumptions and understand what must be true for your position to have merit you will not be in a position to rationally defend it. Sometimes it turns out you can't defend all your assumptions or prove the all truths you need to be correct.
BC
The ultimate disconnect is seen in this thread alone. If you don't strenuously object to (let alone agree with) the position that you should not let Covid "dominate your life" then people label you a defender of "a creep" and a cultist. It is a remarkable phenomenon that goes back to Trump fixation/obsession and the inability to engage rationally (for many . . . obviously not all).
P.S. Had to look up TDS (and down a bit on Google hit). Still, I don't think OF has used the term correctly.
It is not possible to engage rationally with Trump. After enough attempts fail, it is rational to write him off. Continuing to try to find rationality in an insane person is not rational.
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - BostonCard - 10-06-2020
(10-06-2020, 11:14 AM)teejers1 Wrote: P.S. Had to look up TDS (and down a bit on Google hit). Still, I don't think OF has used the term correctly.
Part of the derangement in TDS is an inability to identify deranged thinking vis a vis Trump. The issue I have is encapsulated well by GR (and to an extent yourself), who notes that even as opponents get sucked up by irrational vitreol, the man is genuinely awful and really does need to be voted out, so it is hard to know when someone's opposition is deranged and when it is rational.
FWIW, even if he came to it for the wrong reasons, Trump has done some good things. Operation Warp Speed will likely have accelerated vaccine development by a good bit of time, saving tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands). Broken clocks and all.
BC
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - dabigv13 - 10-06-2020
Should Trump get credit for something any American president would do?
RE: Donald Trump tested positive for COVID - terry - 10-06-2020
Amanda Kloots provided a good explanation of what's wrong with Trump's tweet. She is the widow of Nick Cordero, a 41 year old actor who died of Covid-19 after a long illness. She posted her reaction to Trump's tweet.
You have to click on the image below to see her post --
https://www.instagram.com/p/CF_PQFnA9ZY/?utm_source=ig_embed
She also posted a video in which she spoke from the heart and addressed Trump directly --
https://vid.buzzfeed.com/output/180913/hls24_1602009168.m3u8