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Get ready to be insulted - stupac2 - 08-30-2016

About our crappy attendance: Kansas State expects to send 6,000 fans to Stanford.

I hope athletics is doing some work on getting whatever student population is still on campus to the game, because I am tired of hearing about how crappy our fanbase is from ignorant blowhards.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - Mick - 08-31-2016

(08-30-2016, 08:07 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:About our crappy attendance: Kansas State expects to send 6,000 fans to Stanford.

I hope athletics is doing some work on getting whatever student population is still on campus to the game, because I am tired of hearing about how crappy our fanbase is from ignorant blowhards.


Our attendance is much better than the typical land grant school.  In its heyday, U of Miami averaged about 41,000.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - CTcard - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 05:14 AM)Mick link Wrote:Our attendance is much better than the typical land grant school.  In its heyday, U of Miami averaged about 41,000.

Seems to be some confusion on the Morrill Act here.
Neither Stanford nor Miami are a land grant school. I think MIT is the only land grant school, though once upon a time Yale had Connecticut's land grant.
In fact, a closer statement is that Stanford attendance is better than most (many?) non-land grant schools. Thought that isn't quite right either - for most states with two (or more) main public schools, one of them has the land grant.

The more relevant items here are,

Stanford lately is #4 among private schools in attendance, behind two religously-affilliated schools with a built-in large fan base.

And more importantly, I simply don't see the moral superiority in being a cog in a larger crowd.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - Papa John - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 06:31 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=15533.msg169103#msg169103 date=1472645683]

Our attendance is much better than the typical land grant school.  In its heyday, U of Miami averaged about 41,000.

Seems to be some confusion on the Morrill Act here.
Neither Stanford nor Miami are a land grant school. I think MIT is the only land grant school, though once upon a time Yale had Connecticut's land grant.
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It so happens that Friday's opponent is the first land-grant institution:


https://www.k-state.edu/boardleadership/about-ksre/land-grant.html

Re: Get ready to be insulted - CowboyIndian - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 06:31 AM)CTcard link Wrote:I think MIT is the only land grant school,


Assuming you meant "private" land grant school.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - French Rage - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 09:37 AM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=15533.msg169106#msg169106 date=1472650261]


I think MIT is the only land grant school,


Assuming you meant "private" land grant school.
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In which case, Cornell would count too.  They are NY's land-grant school, and the ALS, ILR, and HumEc colleges are NY state schools, while the others are private.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - BostonCard - 08-31-2016

Sorry, life's to short to feel indignant over trivialities.  I wish attendance was better and the stadium louder, especially against the non-rivalry (ie Cal, USC, Notre Dame and maybe UCLA and Oregon) opponents.  But I also remember attendence during the Buddy/Walt years, and it is impressive how far we've come (yes, winning helps).  I'm not going to get all bent out of shape when the critics carp on our attendance.

BC

Re: Get ready to be insulted - CTcard - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 10:52 AM)French Rage link Wrote:[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=15533.msg169124#msg169124 date=1472661425]
[quote author=CTcard link=topic=15533.msg169106#msg169106 date=1472650261]


I think MIT is the only land grant school,


Assuming you meant "private" land grant school.
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In which case, Cornell would count too.  They are NY's land-grant school, and the ALS, ILR, and HumEc colleges are NY state schools, while the others are private.
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In fact, somehow I dropped the word "private" while writing. I also forgot about Cornell.

Cornell's case is complicated. Cornell has four publicly supported colleges (the three you mention plus the Vet school that only has grad students). These colleges get appropriations through SUNY, are accountable to SUNY for these funds, and offer NY residents reduced tuition. Nonetheless, there is a legal opinion from Eliot Spitzer when he was Attorney General of NY that "with respect to their academic activities" they should be considered private. Just what that means seems to be constantly up in the air.

My understanding is that the land grant supported these colleges only, primarily the Ag and Vet school, and was the reason they developed in this odd manner.

And it turns out there is one more, though also a complicated case. That is Tuskegee University in Alabama. My understanding is that it is not formally a land grant university, and wasn't designated as such in the original legislation. However, apparently it operates as a de facto land grant university with similar agricultural outreach and gets funds from continuing land grant programs.


Stanford football outdraws all three of these private, land grant university football programs.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - French Rage - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 11:30 AM)CTcard link Wrote:Stanford football outdraws all three of these private, land grant university football programs.

To be fair, I think some peewee football games outdraw the recent Cornell teams.  Cornell-Columbia has become the matchup to determine gets their 1 win for the year.

/ Cornell alum

(Another funny story.  A few years back when Cornell needed a new coach, someone on one of the boards I was on was listing possible candidates and listed Walt.  I believe my ensuing tirade would be described as "profanity-laced".)

Re: Get ready to be insulted - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 08-31-2016

I'm confused by the title of the thread. Are you implying that we should feel insulted by the article you posted, or that "Stanford sucks because attendance" narratives are inevitable due to the figures cited in the article?

Re: Get ready to be insulted - stupac2 - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 12:18 PM)ThePOC link Wrote:I'm confused by the title of the thread. Are you implying that we should feel insulted by the article you posted, or that "Stanford sucks because attendance" narratives are inevitable due to the figures cited in the article?

The latter. I also meant "be ready to be on the receiving end of insults", your reaction to them is obviously up to you. Then again maybe you never interact with other fanbases, but I see context-free "Stanford fans suck they can't fill the seats" comments with annoying frequency.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - FarmBoy - 08-31-2016

I've gotten over the issue of attendance. So we don't have a bunch of bandwagon fans. Isn't that a sign that the fans that do show up are dedicated? And I personally don't feel like I miss out by having a lot of people not associated with teh university showing up and rooting on the team. If they want to come, great, but I won't be sad if it's just me and a couple ten thousand of my fellow most passionate Stanford fans.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - CowboyIndian - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 12:27 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:Then again maybe you never interact with other fanbases, but I see context-free "Stanford fans suck they can't fill the seats" comments with annoying frequency.


Especially on Bear Insider, which is funny in and of itself and where mental illness is a badge of honor.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - TreesAndBirds - 08-31-2016

I know this is obvious to those on the board, but here goes......


We are one of the smallest schools in the Power 5
Our grads are not concentrated in N. Cal but are spread all over the world.
The students arent back in school yet.
There are two pro teams within 30 miles
There are way more competing things to do than in most any other place in the country (note the LA area couldnt even support an NFL team for many years).


But to boil it all down, it's correct that Stanford has many less fans than most of our competitors.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - FarmBoy - 08-31-2016

TreesAndBirds - while all true, when you respond to a put down with that list, it just sounds like excuse making. If someone is genuinely asking, why do so few fans come to games, sure that is a discussion starting list. But if someone is just trying to put you down, I find flipping the table and letting them know I'd prefer the bandwagon fans gravitate towards 'SC, Cal, and Oregon.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - rudruff - 08-31-2016

I just ask if the trophy is smaller at the end of the year.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - larkinforever - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 12:42 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:There are two pro teams within 30 miles

This one doesn't ring true to me - even removing the two pro teams, I wouldn't predict much of an attendance increase.

Re: Get ready to be insulted - CornFed - 08-31-2016

I used to have a truly ugly tennis game (I no longer play).  It was, however, ugly but effective; at least against my untalented friends.  They would spend the entirety of any match, bagging on my unaesthetic form, and my only response was, "Beat me and pop off!!!"

Re: Get ready to be insulted - Papa John - 08-31-2016

2015 Pac-12 home attendance:


Arizona: Capacity 56,029, average attendance 51,393, 91.72% of capacity
Arizona State: Capacity 64,248, average attendance 52,712, 82.04% of capacity
California: Capacity 62,467, average attendance 49,482, 79.21% of capacity
Colorado: Capacity 53,613, average attendance 39,685, 74.02% of capacity
Oregon: Capacity 54,000, average attendance 57,601, 106.67% of capacity
Oregon State: Capacity 45,674, average attendance 36,079, 78.99% of capacity
Stanford: Capacity 50,424, average attendance 49,666, 98.50% of capacity
UCLA: Capacity 91,136, average attendance 66,858, 73.36% of capacity
USC: Capacity 93,607, average attendance 73,984, 79.04% of capacity
Utah: Capacity 45,807, average attendance 46,652, 101.84% of capacity
Washington: Capacity 70,083, average attendance 59,485, 84.88% of capacity
Washington State: Capacity 32,952, average attendance 29,407, 89.24% of capacity


Stadium with the highest capacity: USC
Stadium with the lowest capacity: WSU


Team with the highest average attendance: USC
Team with the lowest average attendance: WSU
Team with the highest attendance % of capacity: UO
Team with the lowest attendance % of capacity: UCLA
Stanford 49,666 > California 49,482


2014 Stats:

Team with the highest average attendance: UCLA
Team with the lowest average attendance: WSU
Team with the highest attendance % of capacity: UO
Team with the lowest attendance % of capacity: Colorado
Stanford 47,862 > California 47,669

Re: Get ready to be insulted - terry - 08-31-2016

(08-31-2016, 12:42 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:There are two pro teams within 30 miles


Actually there are seven pro teams within 30 miles. The 49ers and Raiders throughout the season, the Giants and A's in September and early October, the Warriors and Sharks in October and November, the Earthquakes in September and October.