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ESPN is fading fast - CornFed - 03-30-2017
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-30/espn-has-seen-the-future-of-tv-and-they-re-not-really-into-it
Maybe with the demise of ESPN we might see some reduction in the dominance of UConn women's basketball and New England Patriots football. HAH!!!!
Of course, ESPN has a few billion in profits that are still being generated even in its diminished state. It may take a while to "right-size" its influence.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - Phogge - 03-30-2017
How Disney, with its film contract with the IATSE and its TV contract with labor union NABET, can get away with underscale payment to ESPN crews (mostly one man bands) is beyond me. The Mouse is not all Mary Poppins and Dumbo. Up there with TWI as the worst employers in the business.
Maybe not fast enough - Redrum - 03-30-2017
By cranky nature, I hate self-worshipping Gigantic Death Star organizations and ESPN is right up there near the top. True, I do spend many of my Saturday mornings semi catatonic watching Game Day, but that's mainly to see if Lee Corso croaks with a gigantic mascot head stuck on his. I think the show should be that mostly off-camera guy who handles their data feed and gives straightforward predictions during brief cuts to him at his console. Just him with maybe the Washington State flag guy alone in the background.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - Bruce Wang - 03-30-2017
(03-30-2017, 08:17 AM)Phogge link Wrote:How Disney, with its film contract with the IATSE and its TV contract with labor union NABET, can get away with underscale payment to ESPN crews (mostly one man bands) is beyond me. The Mouse is not all Mary Poppins and Dumbo. Up there with TWI as the worst employers in the business.
A friend of mine used to work at corporate Disney. One of his first assignments was to put together a financial model of a new theme park. A colleague handed him an existing model as a template. My friend looked through it and pointed out that the assumptions on labor costs were unrealistically low. The veterans response: "You don't understand. This is Disney. We only pay our "cast members" because the law requires us to."
I had a personal experience corroborating this. I once visited the home of a couple that both worked at one of the parks. Everything in the house that was not nailed down was Disney-themed.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - GoodGrief - 03-30-2017
As far as I know, all television commercials for Disney theme parks, cruises, etc. are non-union. It astounds me that Disney refuses to pay actors union rates.
Btw Publius, I didn't quite understand your personal experience. Were you saying that your friends were cast members that were paid so little that they stole everything they could from the theme park to supplement their income?
Re: ESPN is fading fast - stupac2 - 03-30-2017
...What does ESPN have to do with the Patriots winning? I can kind of sort of see increased coverage of UConn causing recruits to choose them over the alternatives, but how on earth could they influence the NFL?
Re: ESPN is fading fast - Farm93 - 03-30-2017
(03-30-2017, 11:50 AM)GoodGrief link Wrote:As far as I know, all television commercials for Disney theme parks, cruises, etc. are non-union. It astounds me that Disney refuses to pay actors union rates.Really? On the union rates. If there is a blindly loyal group willing to do the job for free, why pay anyone more than the law requires? The kids looking for autographs from Snow White really are not looking for any particular actress, literally any ~22 year old white female can play the part.
Btw Publius, I didn't quite understand your personal experience. Were you saying that your friends were cast members that were paid so little that they stole everything they could from the theme park to supplement their income?
FWIW - I think the comment from Publius was to note that the couple was so in love with all things Disney that their entire house was a virtual tribute to the company, and its theme parks. Given that obsessive love they likely would have worked there for free if Disney could have given them that option when they first inquired about working at the parks.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - Bruce Wang - 03-30-2017
(03-30-2017, 12:22 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=GoodGrief link=topic=16738.msg190924#msg190924 date=1490899855]Really? On the union rates. If there is a blindly loyal group willing to do the job for free, why pay anyone more than the law requires? The kids looking for autographs from Snow White really are not looking for any particular actress, literally any ~22 year old white female can play the part.
As far as I know, all television commercials for Disney theme parks, cruises, etc. are non-union. It astounds me that Disney refuses to pay actors union rates.
Btw Publius, I didn't quite understand your personal experience. Were you saying that your friends were cast members that were paid so little that they stole everything they could from the theme park to supplement their income?
FWIW - I think the comment from Publius was to note that the couple was so in love with all things Disney that their entire house was a virtual tribute to the company, and its theme parks. Given that obsessive love they likely would have worked there for free if Disney could have given them that option when they first inquired about working at the parks.
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What Farm93 said was my intention, but GoodGrief's question did give me a good chuckle. And now that I think about it, could also be a plausible explanation.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - cctop - 03-30-2017
I work for a Disney subsidiary.
In my experience Disney is a good parent company -- stable and well-run.
But it's known throughout the industry for paying lower wages than its competitors. If you have people literally willing to work for free, you pay market rate only for key people.
I've always known I could get paid more elsewhere but there are other considerations -- primarily having a job I love in a place I want to live.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - Mick - 03-30-2017
(03-30-2017, 03:25 PM)cctop link Wrote:I work for a Disney subsidiary.
In my experience Disney is a good parent company -- stable and well-run.
But it's known throughout the industry for paying lower wages than its competitors. If you have people literally willing to work for free, you pay market rate only for key people.
I've always known I could get paid more elsewhere but there are other considerations -- primarily having a job I love in a place I want to live.
Four quick thoughts:
1) I have an aunt who has had some ups and downs in her life, including the fact she was widowed at age 32. She visits Disney twice yearly with her kids, and absolutely loves it. The place is so incredibly well-run that the fantasy is pervasive. They've really nailed the curve, and everything about Disney is pleasant, it keeps unpleasant realities away. And I can see why some people love it that much.
2) My sister in law is a Stanford ME/Harvard MBA. She interviewed with Disney out of Harvard and was offered a job. She literally thought the offer was a typo to the point that she confirmed it with two separate Disney people.
3) One of my son's Princeton friends turned down a Wall Street job to take on a Disney finance job. And yes, he's originally from Southern California.
4) I absolutely get the appeal of doing a job that you love, no matter what the income. At the dinner table one night when my eldest was 15, I was preoccupied and not really following the conversation and he said "Dad, what's your dream job," and I replied "Bartender in Maui," absolutely without thinking about it. He laughed and I looked up to find out what I'd missed to find myself face to face with my furious bride. "Can I talk with you for a minute?" she said. Let's just say I didn't do any talking.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - CompSci87 - 03-30-2017
Ever read "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom"? It's science fiction, not a factual expose of Disney labor practices, but I bet some inspiration came from the real thing.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - CTcard - 04-01-2017
(03-30-2017, 03:58 PM)Mick link Wrote:At the dinner table one night when my eldest was 15, I was preoccupied and not really following the conversation and he said "Dad, what's your dream job," and I replied "Bartender in Maui," absolutely without thinking about it. He laughed and I looked up to find out what I'd missed to find myself face to face with my furious bride. "Can I talk with you for a minute?" she said. Let's just say I didn't do any talking.
At reasonably frequent intervals I get in trouble with my wife for saying things to the kid that she doesn't like. Still, for the life of me I cannot see that she would have any problem whatsoever with me stating that a dream job is bartender in Maui.
... of course that could be why I get in trouble from time to time.
Re: ESPN is fading fast - Mick - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 07:40 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=16738.msg190934#msg190934 date=1490914683]
At the dinner table one night when my eldest was 15, I was preoccupied and not really following the conversation and he said "Dad, what's your dream job," and I replied "Bartender in Maui," absolutely without thinking about it. He laughed and I looked up to find out what I'd missed to find myself face to face with my furious bride. "Can I talk with you for a minute?" she said. Let's just say I didn't do any talking.
At reasonably frequent intervals I get in trouble with my wife for saying things to the kid that she doesn't like. Still, for the life of me I cannot see that she would have any problem whatsoever with me stating that a dream job is bartender in Maui.
... of course that could be why I get in trouble from time to time.
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...because it was in front of my impressionable 15 year old and Mrs. Mick wanted him to get into a good college and not toss it all for a permanent Maui vacation when he graduated from high school...
Re: ESPN is fading fast - fullmetal - 04-01-2017
Among other reasons I can think of...! ;D