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Credit where credit is due - lex24 - 10-26-2017

Teejers.

Re: Credit where credit is due - BostonCard - 10-26-2017

(10-26-2017, 09:45 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Teejers.

Actually, didn’t you predict a loss in the pick em game?  You almost had it.  If it wasn’t for those damned fades!  (Yeah, I know, not really a fade)

BC

Re: Credit where credit is due - lex24 - 10-26-2017

Actually this win belongs to Nall. I feel for the kid. He’s a good football player.

(10-26-2017, 09:47 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=lex24 link=topic=17797.msg208483#msg208483 date=1509079515]
Teejers.

Actually, didn’t you predict a loss in the pick em game?  You almost had it.  If it wasn’t for those damned fades!  (Yeah, I know, not really a fade)

BC
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Re: Credit where credit is due - teejers1 - 10-26-2017

Um . . .  thank you?

Here are the lingering/troubling questions:

1.  How can a QB, three years in the program, play like that? 

2.  How can a QB play like that and stay in the game, especially when "the backup" has played well in real games?

3.  How can a team with Stanford's talent on O put up 222 yards of total offense - really, against any opponent, but especially against a 1-7 team that has pathetic defensive stats?

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.

5.  I'm trying to come up with a straw man so that shtup will be able to take another shot.  Whatever. 

Re: Credit where credit is due - lex24 - 10-26-2017

I can’t answer your questions. But here’s what I say to those who bail. Weren’t you some of the same folks that predicted 3-9 after SDS. They are 4 and 0 with a gift for 5 since.  Since ‘12 resiliency has been a key to this program. When things look bleak, they seem to be able to turn it around.

If your buddy doesn’t want to go to the UW game, so be it.  Heck go if for no other reason you won’t have many other opportunities to see Bryce Love.

Yeah they were awful tonight.  And 90% of that goes to the staff.  But it means nothing next week. The only fallout is losing Holder. That hurts

I’ll say it now - they may not beat Wazzu. But I bet you they play their tails off.


(10-26-2017, 10:34 PM)teejers1 link Wrote:Um . . .  thank you?

Here are the lingering/troubling questions:

1.  How can a QB, three years in the program, play like that? 

2.  How can a QB play like that and stay in the game, especially when "the backup" has played well in real games?

3.  How can a team with Stanford's talent on O put up 222 yards of total offense - really, against any opponent, but especially against a 1-7 team that has pathetic defensive stats?

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.

5.  I'm trying to come up with a straw man so that shtup will be able to take another shot.  Whatever.


Re: Credit where credit is due - lex24 - 10-26-2017

(10-26-2017, 10:50 PM)lex24 link Wrote:I can’t answer your questions. But here’s what I say to those who bail. Weren’t you some of the same folks that predicted 3-9 after SDS. They are 4 and 0 with a gift for 5 since.  Since ‘12 resiliency has been a key to this program. When things look bleak, they seem to be able to turn it around.

If your buddy doesn’t want to go to the UW game, so be it.  Tell him to go watch Alabama.

Yeah they were awful tonight.  And 90% of that goes to the staff.  But it means nothing next week. The only fallout is losing Holder. That hurts

I’ll say it now - they may not beat Wazzu. But I bet you they play their tails off.


[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=17797.msg208545#msg208545 date=1509082455]
Um . . .  thank you?

Here are the lingering/troubling questions:

1.  How can a QB, three years in the program, play like that? 

2.  How can a QB play like that and stay in the game, especially when "the backup" has played well in real games?

3.  How can a team with Stanford's talent on O put up 222 yards of total offense - really, against any opponent, but especially against a 1-7 team that has pathetic defensive stats?

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.

5.  I'm trying to come up with a straw man so that shtup will be able to take another shot.  Whatever.
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Re: Credit where credit is due - teejers1 - 10-26-2017

I suspect we will not see Love next week, either, and WSU will handle Stanford easily.

But I agree the kids will play their tails off - heck, I'm not sure they weren't playing hard tonight. 

The D played well, despite bad penalties.  Overall the O was, of course, horrific (starting with #10), but I agree with poster who said the OL did a nice job protecting the QB.  Regardless, I didn't see anyone dogging it out there - I suspect the effort was there and the kids were trying hard/playing their tails off. 



Re: Credit where credit is due - BostonCard - 10-26-2017

I agree.  What we saw tonight wasn’t lack of effort (look at Meeks’ game saving tackle from the ground, or Phillips on like every play), what we saw was a lack of focus.  We were pressing; it was evident from the first play of the game, where Scarlett tried to return a kickoff he should have taken a knee on.  It felt like, especially on offense, everyone was trying too hard, and as the game wore on, it started to smack of desperation.

Hope you are wrong about Love, but I wouldn’t be surprised.  Shaw often keeps injuries close to the vest and says players are day-to-day even when there is no way they can play.  At least we have 9 days until WSU.

BC

Re: Credit where credit is due - Embo - 10-26-2017

(10-26-2017, 09:50 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Actually this win belongs to Nall. I feel for the kid. He’s a good football player.

I know how Beaverfan feels tonight.  And Nall.

Jeez, it's been 19 years, but I can still feel the pain.  1998.  Halloween night, in fact.  Stanford at UCLA.  That was a bad Willingham year with Stanford 1-7.  UCLA, on the other hand, was undefeated and #1 in the nation (yes, times have changed.)  A h-uge underdog, Stanford played them even - and with a few minutes left in the game, Husak connected with WR Jeff Allen down the middle, I was screaming as he was ready to score the go-ahead touchdown, and .... the ball was punched out at the 6 inch line, and recovered by the Bruins in the end zone.  Touchback.  An earth-shattering upset, gone.  I doubt anyone felt worse than Allen.  And I'm sure Nall is beating himself up now.

Re: Credit where credit is due - 76lsjumb - 10-26-2017

Seems to me that "die-hard fans" is a misnomer for people who don't go to games [or turn them off] just because they don't like the way their team is playing [even when the team is nationally-ranked and leading the Conference].  Stanford seems to have a lot of those types of "die hard fans," though.  I always thought "die-hard fans" are the ones who go to games even when the team is 1-11?

By the way, any "die hard fan" who is looking to give away his/her N.otre Dame ticket because he/she doesn't want to watch this team, please let me know.  I need an extra ticket for that game.

Thanks.  :)

Re: Credit where credit is due - 76lsjumb - 10-26-2017

(10-26-2017, 11:04 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Hope you are wrong about Love, but I wouldn’t be surprised.  Shaw often keeps injuries close to the vest and says players are day-to-day even when there is no way they can play.  At least we have 9 days until WSU.

BC

I thought I heard someone on TV say that it was a "high ankle sprain."  That is never a good thing to hear, as those high ankle sprains always seem to linger...

Re: Credit where credit is due - PAsportsfan - 10-26-2017

(10-26-2017, 10:34 PM)teejers1 link Wrote:4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.


Agree.

Who would want to be associated with Shaw as a COACH?

How embarrassing!

Re: Credit where credit is due - lex24 - 10-27-2017

Cant tell if you are being sarcastic. If not - you talk about my credibility?

(10-26-2017, 11:44 PM)PAsportsfan link Wrote:[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=17797.msg208545#msg208545 date=1509082455]

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.


Agree.

Who would want to be associated with Shaw as a COACH?

How embarrassing!
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Re: Credit where credit is due - BostonCard - 10-27-2017

(10-26-2017, 11:44 PM)PAsportsfan link Wrote:[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=17797.msg208545#msg208545 date=1509082455]

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.


Agree.

Who would want to be associated with Shaw as a COACH?

How embarrassing!
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Tell me that was sarcasm. 

BC

Re: Credit where credit is due - SamAtoms1980 - 10-27-2017

(10-27-2017, 12:55 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=PAsportsfan link=topic=17797.msg208579#msg208579 date=1509086662]
[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=17797.msg208545#msg208545 date=1509082455]

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.


Agree.

Who would want to be associated with Shaw as a COACH?

How embarrassing!
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Tell me that was sarcasm. 

BC
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Let's be honest:  a Stanford defender ripping off an Oregon State player's helmet on fourth down is not a good look.  If Shaw hasn't put his foot down on that by now, there is something wrong.

All that said, I'm nowhere close to throwing out the baby with a few fluid ounces of bathwater.

Re: Credit where credit is due - BostonCard - 10-27-2017

(10-27-2017, 11:39 AM)SamAtoms1980 link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17797.msg208585#msg208585 date=1509090949]
[quote author=PAsportsfan link=topic=17797.msg208579#msg208579 date=1509086662]
[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=17797.msg208545#msg208545 date=1509082455]

4.  Does anyone see/appreciate the fallout of FUGLY games such as this?  Specifically, during the game (per OSU game thread), you had die-hard Stanford fans tuning out (which I did - why would I subject myself to that?).  Also during the game, I had a friend from Sacto advise me that he was canceling his plans to come to the UW game because he was so upset with what he was watching (I hope he reconsiders).  Other posters said they were "emotionally detached" from the game - almost as a defense mechanism to the horror they were watching.  These impacts are real - hard to quantify, but real.  I think a safe conclusion is that games such as this - even with the escape W - do not help (and actually hurt) the program by undermining strength of fan support.


Agree.

Who would want to be associated with Shaw as a COACH?

How embarrassing!
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Tell me that was sarcasm. 

BC
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Let's be honest:  a Stanford defender ripping off an Oregon State player's helmet on fourth down is not a good look.  If Shaw hasn't put his foot down on that by now, there is something wrong.

All that said, I'm nowhere close to throwing out the baby with a few fluid ounces of bathwater.
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I agree that the actions of the defender did not reflect well, and of course, it is ultimately up to Shaw to keep his players focused and under control, which is something he is normally does well.  I don't think that was teejers' and PAsportsfan's complaint (if the latter wasn't being sarcastic) complaint.  I think they were noting that the offense stank (and, again, if PASportsfan was not being sarcastic) that nobody would want to be associated with any coach who would produce such a stinker.

BC

Re: Credit where credit is due - ChicagoCard - 10-27-2017

(10-27-2017, 11:39 AM)SamAtoms1980 link Wrote:Let's be honest:  a Stanford defender ripping off an Oregon State player's helmet on fourth down is not a good look.  If Shaw hasn't put his foot down on that by now, there is something wrong.

All that said, I'm nowhere close to throwing out the baby with a few fluid ounces of bathwater.

Shaw commented in his post-game remarks, without equivocating, that the officials made the correct call.

Re: Credit where credit is due - BostonCard - 10-27-2017

(10-27-2017, 01:24 PM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:[quote author=SamAtoms1980 link=topic=17797.msg208705#msg208705 date=1509129545]
Let's be honest:  a Stanford defender ripping off an Oregon State player's helmet on fourth down is not a good look.  If Shaw hasn't put his foot down on that by now, there is something wrong.

All that said, I'm nowhere close to throwing out the baby with a few fluid ounces of bathwater.

Shaw commented in his post-game remarks, without equivocating, that the officials made the correct call.
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Yeah, that wasn't a wrong call.  Neither was the targetting call.  But there were a few missed calls, including a rather ticky-tack hold call on a third down against us, and a couple of really bad missed holdings by the OSU OL that were even commented on by Flemming/Huard.  Also, I think OSU might have an argument that the second PI on the two-point attempt was pretty ticky-tacky (though it didn't change the outcome).  Overall, not a good job by the officials.

BC

Re: Credit where credit is due - murky - 10-27-2017

52 was holding Phillips on most of the plays I watched him.

Re: Credit where credit is due - ChicagoCard - 10-28-2017

(10-27-2017, 08:09 PM)murky link Wrote:52 was holding Phillips on most of the plays I watched him.

I used to fear Land Clark and his crew. Now this lead referee and his crew are just as scary to me.