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MBB at Long Beach State - burger - 12-03-2017

17-17 halfway through the first half.  I don't see Davis in the box score?  Is he hurt, too? 

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - JJJ - 12-03-2017

Thanks for the heads-up.

http://bigwest.sidearmstreaming.com/watch/?Live=485

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - JJJ - 12-03-2017

I haven't seen a close-up of the bench but it appears Davis isn't suited up.

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - JJJ - 12-03-2017

Stanford leads 29-27 at the half despite not scoring for the last 3:40+.
Beach didn't score for the last 2:30+.
Travis gets denied twice from point blank range.
Their D may be good, but we're also playing sloppily.

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - BostonCard - 12-03-2017

Down 68-63 with a couple minutes left.

BC

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - BostonCard - 12-03-2017

78-66 the final.

I hate to say it so early, but doubts are creeping in on Haase.

BC

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - BobK - 12-03-2017

Well also down ton6 scholarship players. 
No word on Davis and none on Stanback. 
Good news 2 week’s off

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - 2006alum - 12-03-2017

Yeah when you have to play a walk on for 18 minutes, you know you've got a short bench. That said, we're definitely regressing from last season...

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - burger - 12-03-2017

I don't really understand the criticisms of Haase.  Last year's team featured 3 seniors and a bunch of juniors getting most of the minutes.  This year, we're starting 2-3 freshman every game, with our bench consisting of Sharma, a redshirt freshman, and a walk-on.  I don't think there's a coach in the country that could do much better.

If we're still playing this badly when everyone is healthy, then we have a problem.  But until the team is healthy, I'm withholding judgment on Haase.

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - Hurlburt88 - 12-04-2017

Two weeks until the next game gives good time to heal.  So I am retaining optimism for the Pac12 season. 

Sincerely hope Davis' absence is only a ding . . .

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - winflop - 12-04-2017

(12-03-2017, 07:28 PM)burger link Wrote:I don't really understand the criticisms of Haase.  Last year's team featured 3 seniors and a bunch of juniors getting most of the minutes.  This year, we're starting 2-3 freshman every game, with our bench consisting of Sharma, a redshirt freshman, and a walk-on.  I don't think there's a coach in the country that could do much better.

If we're still playing this badly when everyone is healthy, then we have a problem.  But until the team is healthy, I'm withholding judgment on Haase.

I agree 100%. When you're down to 6 or 7 scholarship players there's only so much you can do. Doesn't take away from the fact that the team that is playing is not good, but there's no basis on which to question Haase as a coach.

Fingers crossed that the boys can get healthy over Dead Week & Finals and we see a much better team on Dec 30 against the Weenies!

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - Hulk01 - 12-04-2017

It has to be the play calling.

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - teejers1 - 12-04-2017

Yeah, Hulk, I'm sure you and . . . one or two other True Believers found the play calling under this regime to be brilliant.  Didn't those MSU Rose Bowl flashbacks against SC give you the warm-fuzzies?

It's about putting your team in the best position to win.  That involves a lot of things outside of play calling - which this coach has done incredibly well.  But that doesn't - and shouldn't - immunize the coach from a pretty impactful deficiency in this set of ingredients.

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - Red State - 12-04-2017

(12-04-2017, 08:31 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:It has to be the play calling.

+1  :D

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - Extra Point - 12-04-2017

(12-04-2017, 08:31 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:It has to be the play calling.

No -- Haase is just stubborn!

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - BostonCard - 12-04-2017

I think it is reasonable to cite injuries as a reason for the underperformance so far.  We do have a very thin bench and we are missing key ingredients.  Still, this was supposed to be a year where Haase took a major step forward with the team.  We were picked to finish 5th in the Pac-12.  And at some point, Haase will have to start winning games that we aren't expected to, rather than citing injuries or the strength of opponent, or other things as justifications for a loss.

Don't get me wrong, I am a long way from concluding that Haase isn't the right person.  But the first niggling of a doubt has started to creep in.

BC

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - PAsportsfan - 12-04-2017

Why is everyone so hard on Haase? He is just "pulling a Shaw", you know how the first 1/3 of the schedule doesn't count (in his preparedness). Trying to figure out what QB to use, OL...

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - washingtonismoney - 12-04-2017

(12-04-2017, 10:39 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:I think it is reasonable to cite injuries as a reason for the underperformance so far.  We do have a very thin bench and we are missing key ingredients.  Still, this was supposed to be a year where Haase took a major step forward with the team.  We were picked to finish 5th in the Pac-12.  And at some point, Haase will have to start winning games that we aren't expected to, rather than citing injuries or the strength of opponent, or other things as justifications for a loss.

Don't get me wrong, I am a long way from concluding that Haase isn't the right person.  But the first niggling of a doubt has started to creep in.

It's also revisionist history to cite injuries. The first chin-scratching occurred in the second game of the season, against Pacific, when the team utterly collapsed at the end of the game. In other words, the team has been performing questionably since the beginning of the year. While I agree with BC that it's too early to declare Haase a failure, it's not too early to be concerned.

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - Spiny_Norman - 12-04-2017

Re: Davis absence vs LBSU - he had strep throat (per RJ Abeytia)

Re: MBB at Long Beach State - teejers1 - 12-04-2017

As for Haase, the Okpala DQ has got to hurt.

Am with crowd who still thinks this was a good hire, but is also beginning to get concerned.  Given the numbers involved, hoops recruiting is even more important than it is in football recruiting (though you just have to have a good QB to be competitive).  Dawkins was a pretty good recruiter.  Haase's class looked good on paper initially, but with Okpala out and Davis struggling, that definitely takes some of the shine off the class.  I like Da Silva a lot.  And the Aussie has some moxie (Chris Hernandez, Lite?).

It's the returners who need to show more consistently - and most notably Humphreys, Cartwright, and Sharma.  Travis has been good and Pickens (when healthy) is playing about how you'd expect.

The Cardinal needed the returners to be a notch above last year AND the newcomers to help immediately.  Unfortunately, neither has really happened.  [BTW, I'm not sold on the assembled masses of suits on the bench either.  Maybe I'm getting old and out of touch, but from this angle there appears to be a lack of gravitas AND fire from the assistants - though I cop 100% to this just being an initial take].