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Stanford-USC rivalry - terry - 09-13-2018

Many of us on this board can remember how USC dominated Stanford in the '60s, '70s, and 80s. USC had a record of 29-3-1 against Stanford during those years (1958-90). Beating USC seemed like a nearly impossible dream in those days.

So, it has been extremely satisfying to see Stanford gain the upper hand in the rivalry in recent years. Over the last 10 seasons (2009-18), Stanford has a record of 8-4 against USC. And three of our four losses were by just 3 points. Beating USC by two touchdowns, as we did last Saturday, would have seemed unimaginable back in the day. Now, it's just another win in a growing series of wins over the Trojans. 

When looking for the turning point in the rivalry, we certainly have to talk about the Greatest Upset Ever in 2007 and the What's Your Deal game in 2009. But I think you could make the case that the turning point came earlier. 

Since 1991, the Stanford-USC rivalry is dead even -- 15 wins each. (Or if you eliminate USC's vacated win in 2005, Stanford has a 15-14 edge.) So the rivalry has been pretty much even for almost three decades.

Green and Walsh went 2-2 against USC during 1991-94. Willingham went 4-3 against the Trojans. Harbaugh went 3-1. Shaw has gone 6-4. The winning records of Willingham, Harbaugh, and Shaw offset the dismal record of Teevens/Harris (0-5). 

I don't think anyone looked at Denny Green's win over USC in 1991 and thought it was the beginning of a new era in the rivalry. But in hindsight, maybe it was. The current 30-game era of parity is almost as long as USC's 33-game era of dominance in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

It sure is nice to feel like we can be competitive with those guys over the long run, rather than just hoping for a miracle upset once every 5 or 10 years. Of course, it would be great to have an era of Stanford dominance. Maybe that is yet to come.

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - martyup - 09-13-2018

I think this clip of Luck sticking this Trojan just about sums up how we've handled USC, on average, over Shaw's tenure.  However, today he would probably be called for targeting and have to sit out the rest of that game and the next.  Boy would that have been devastating!

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RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - oldalum - 09-13-2018

yes, I remember we had a flicker of hope in 1977 that we could beat USC: it was Bill Walsh's first year as coach, we had Guy Benjamin, James Lofton, and Darrin Nelson, and going into the USC game we were tied for first in the conference with USC and Washington and had Rose Bowl hopes. So my friends and I drove down to LA for the game. We had crummy seats in the end zone, it rained the whole game, and we lost 49-0. I also didn't write my paper that was due Monday morning. All-in-all a bad weekend.

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - BobK - 09-13-2018

My brother and I went to LA 1965 for the usc game. Tied after 3 quarters. Then Mike Garrett broke lose and we lost 14-0. All the usc fans around us were so complimentary. We lost and we
Are po’d we said. 5 years later in the Rose Bowl.

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - CTcard - 09-13-2018

(09-13-2018, 04:30 PM)martyup Wrote:   However, today he would probably be called for targeting and have to sit out the rest of that game and the next.  Boy would that have been devastating!

Hmmm. Maybe. 
It looks pretty brutal, so he may have been called for targeting regardless of the details. 
Luck mostly hits Wright in the chest, which is fine, but may also clip Wright's face mask. 
Luck probably also hit Wright with the crown of the helmet by the most liberal definition.

However, on the same play earlier USC #23 hits Taylor with a helmet to helmet shot to cause the fumble that absolutely should have been targeting - though I suspect the ref didn't see it. On the replay below I didn't really see it until the different angle replay at about 1:18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9PFJI_t5I

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - tcufrog - 09-14-2018

I was there at the Coliseum in 1977, sitting in temporary bleachers in the back of the end zone, soaking wet, and absolutely miserable .  It was the second worst game I've had the misfortune to sit through in the rain.  The first was TCU's dismantling by Texas 81-16 in 1974.  As a result of those games, I have PTSD every time one of my teams plays on a rainy day.

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - French Rage - 09-14-2018

Literally my first Stanford game (as a grad student) was the USC game in 2004 where we led at the half and then blew it.  Things went downhill until the 0-42 blowout in 2006.  If you told me after that we'd be 9-5 against them in the next dozen years I'd call you crazy.

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - BostonCard - 09-14-2018

(09-13-2018, 06:40 PM)CTcard Wrote:  
(09-13-2018, 04:30 PM)martyup Wrote:   However, today he would probably be called for targeting and have to sit out the rest of that game and the next.  Boy would that have been devastating!

Hmmm. Maybe. 
It looks pretty brutal, so he may have been called for targeting regardless of the details. 
Luck mostly hits Wright in the chest, which is fine, but may also clip Wright's face mask. 
Luck probably also hit Wright with the crown of the helmet by the most liberal definition.

However, on the same play earlier USC #23 hits Taylor with a helmet to helmet shot to cause the fumble that absolutely should have been targeting - though I suspect the ref didn't see it. On the replay below I didn't really see it until the different angle replay at about 1:18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9PFJI_t5I

I think if you look closely at the replay, Luck gets him more with the shoulder than with his head, Luck clearly wraps him up (rather than launching at him) and you can see Luck look up at the target, so it is not a true targetting call.  In fact, if you freeze frame at the 42 second mark, looking at the play from behind Luck, you can see that it is a picture perfect tackle, and Luck's shoulder is planted firmly in the defenders chest.  As you point out, it may have been called just because it "looked bad", but I think it was a textbook tackle.

BC

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - Hurlburt88 - 09-14-2018

Looking forward, it seems our next home game with USC will be the hundredth meeting.   Any chance the Pac12 scheduling cabal outs the game in October so our students at can be there and we can consider it for Homecoming?

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - muiron - 09-14-2018

I remember the Denny Green win VERY well. My wife was in the (old) Kaiser Santa Clara hospital, in the middle stages of induced labor with our second child, a girl. I had brought a transistor (well, portable, at least) radio but couldn't get any reception, so I spent a lot of time in the parking lot, listening to the game on the car radio. IIRC, SC had a field goal attempt at the end to tie. The first Stanford game I ever paid attention to (listening on the radio) was Ron Ayala/1969, my senior year in high school. The FG attempt made me VERY nervous. But it missed. 

And then I tried to convince my wife that we should name our about to arrive daughter Denise. She (the wife) is real Stanford football fan but that was a bridge too far. OTOH, the daughter, Eleanor, is an intense Stanford football fan, along with her brother. If I could have told my wife that this would be the start of a 15/15 run with USC, maybe she would have agreed. (But she would never have believed me.)

I was a frosh in 1970 and watched us break that losing streak to USC that went back to 1958. And I traveled to the Coliseum in 1971 to watch us paste them - a 15 point blowout. I was gone for the 1975 13-10 win and the 1979 tie. 1992's 14 point win (23-9) was the first time I'd seen us beat them since 1972. I've been in the seats for 9 of the 13 wins since then (not the greatest upset ever but in South Central for triple overtime and the wonderful, glorious, really, really good 55-21). It just never gets old.

BTW, I think this is going to mark a substantial move by me to the Card Board. RJ is working really hard on the Bootboard and I'll probably keep my membership - and I do LOVE the Sears Board, mainly for M and W soccer - but there's very little football conversation anymore on the Bootboard. Sad, but time changes everything. 

Except this.

Go Card!

RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - CowboyIndian - 09-14-2018

(09-14-2018, 03:38 PM)muiron Wrote:  Sad, but time changes everything. 


RE: Stanford-USC rivalry - qwerty49 - 09-14-2018

Nice!

(09-14-2018, 04:49 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:  
(09-14-2018, 03:38 PM)muiron Wrote:  Sad, but time changes everything. 


lex24 - lex24 - 09-14-2018

“And then I tried to convince my wife that we should name our about to arrive daughter Denise. She (the wife) is real Stanford football fan but that was a bridge too far. OTOH, the daughter, Eleanor, is an intense Stanford football fan, along with her brother. If I could have told my wife that this would be the start of a 15/15 run with USC, maybe she would have agreed. (But she would never have believed me.)”

So if my math is correct Eleanor Glynn Muiron must be about 25? ?

RE: lex24 - muiron - 09-14-2018

(09-14-2018, 08:18 PM)lex24 Wrote:  “And then I tried to convince my wife that we should name our about to arrive daughter Denise. She (the wife) is real Stanford football fan but that was a bridge too far. OTOH, the daughter, Eleanor, is an intense Stanford football fan, along with her brother. If I could have told my wife that this would be the start of a 15/15 run with USC, maybe she would have agreed. (But she would never have believed me.)”

So if my math is correct Eleanor Glynn Muiron must be about 25? ?

Ah, 1991 to 2018 is 27 years - or will be on October 20. Who knows where the time goes?

BTW, it's Eleanor Rose Muiron (old Irish name, Muiron) - but I didn't think anyone knew about Eleanor Glynn, but spelled Elinor Glyn. 

The late 19th/early 20th century British (born on Jersey) scandalous romance novelist had a good run in Hollywood in the 1920s, though not clear doing what, exactly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Glyn  A character portraying her has a cameo in Singing in the Rain - look for the outrageously red wig in at the party at the producer's house when The Jazz Singer is shown. She also appears, thinly disguised, in A Room with a View. Her sister was on the Titanic and survived (as did her husband, Cosmo Duff-Gordon, who faced various insinuations as a result), became a fashion designer, and, as Lucy, Lady Duff-Gordon, is a party in an important contracts decision written by Nathan Benjamin Cardozo. But you knew all that.  Both of them are shown in the 1997 film, the Titanic.

Oh, wait. Eleanor Glynn? English model and beauty queen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Glynn 

Never mind.

lex24 - lex24 - 09-15-2018

Math is obviously not my strong suit. And I was thinking Milburn!


(09-14-2018, 10:16 PM)muiron Wrote:  
(09-14-2018, 08:18 PM)lex24 Wrote:  “And then I tried to convince my wife that we should name our about to arrive daughter Denise. She (the wife) is real Stanford football fan but that was a bridge too far. OTOH, the daughter, Eleanor, is an intense Stanford football fan, along with her brother. If I could have told my wife that this would be the start of a 15/15 run with USC, maybe she would have agreed. (But she would never have believed me.)”

So if my math is correct Eleanor Glynn Muiron must be about 25? ?

Ah, 1991 to 2018 is 27 years - or will be on October 20. Who knows where the time goes?

BTW, it's Eleanor Rose Muiron (old Irish name, Muiron) - but I didn't think anyone knew about Eleanor Glynn, but spelled Elinor Glyn. 

The late 19th/early 20th century British (born on Jersey) scandalous romance novelist had a good run in Hollywood in the 1920s, though not clear doing what, exactly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Glyn  A character portraying her has a cameo in Singing in the Rain - look for the outrageously red wig in at the party at the producer's house when The Jazz Singer is shown. She also appears, thinly disguised, in A Room with a View. Her sister was on the Titanic and survived (as did her husband, Cosmo Duff-Gordon, who faced various insinuations as a result), became a fashion designer, and, as Lucy, Lady Duff-Gordon, is a party in an important contracts decision written by Nathan Benjamin Cardozo. But you knew all that.  Both of them are shown in the 1997 film, the Titanic.

Oh, wait. Eleanor Glynn? English model and beauty queen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Glynn 

Never mind.