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RE: Class of 2020 - BostonCard - 05-24-2019

(05-24-2019, 06:21 AM)CTcard Wrote:  
(05-24-2019, 06:02 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  Another running back.  Does this meen we aren’t in the running for Emmet’s son or are we just doing for running backs what we are unwilling to do for QB’s (more than one offer a year).

No idea where we stand with Smith, but we're obviously willing to offer, and take, more than one RB per class.

Though it hasn't happened since way back in '19.

I'm aware; my commentary was meant to draw in the contrast between our approach to RB's and to QB's.  We frequently take 2 running backs in a recruiting cycle, and don't worry about competition at that position.  For some reason, Shaw would prefer to take 0 QB's in a class than 2, and I think that's problematic.

BC


RE: Class of 2020 - BobK - 05-24-2019

Let’s just say Tyree wasn’t a candidate lately
That said wonder why Drennen was offered ?


RE: Class of 2020 - Goose - 05-24-2019

(05-24-2019, 08:18 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  I'm aware; my commentary was meant to draw in the contrast between our approach to RB's and to QB's.  We frequently take 2 running backs in a recruiting cycle, and don't worry about competition at that position.  For some reason, Shaw would prefer to take 0 QB's in a class than 2, and I think that's problematic.

BC

BC, isn't it pretty clear that the QB and RB positions are vastly different in character? First of all, you can have more than one RB on the field at a time, but only one QB. Granted, we use a single back a vast majority of the time, but we still use two back formations. Second, RBs are regularly rotated / substituted during a game, while QBs generally are not. RBs are often short yardage specialists, or "third down backs", and therefore must have a replacement for other situations. Third, RBs tend to get injured much more often. They take more hits than QBs (unless the team really sucks). RBs must also pass block on many plays where they don't carry the ball.

Therefore, there are plenty of reasons to need more RBs than QBs. It still may be true that Shaw should offer more QBs than he does, but in almost any scenario, he will offer more RBs than QBs because he needs more of them.


RE: Class of 2020 - CTcard - 05-24-2019

(05-24-2019, 11:29 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(05-24-2019, 08:18 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  I'm aware; my commentary was meant to draw in the contrast between our approach to RB's and to QB's.  We frequently take 2 running backs in a recruiting cycle, and don't worry about competition at that position.  For some reason, Shaw would prefer to take 0 QB's in a class than 2, and I think that's problematic.

BC

BC, isn't it pretty clear that the QB and RB positions are vastly different in character? ...

I believe everybody (except for possibly Jim Harbaugh ... or really Mike Leach) offers and takes more RBs than QBs.
Not only do teams use many more RBs, almost everyone rotates RBs, there is no football lore that rotating RBs is a terrible idea, and one typically doesn't hear of a team being ripped apart over a starting RB controversy.


By the way, if you want a look at how a different program and different coach approaches recruiting, compare our old coach to our present.
According to 247, Michigan has currently offered 14 QBs (10 Pro/4 Dual) and 38 backs (8 APB/30 RB) ... and a few hundred at every other position.
Stanford, meanwhile has offered 0 QBs, and 5 backs (3 APB/2 RB).
And WSU has offered more QBs than backs: 12 vs 7 ... along with 31 WRs.


RE: Class of 2020 - BobK - 05-24-2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/airmgreene/status/1132022849202511872

A new offer and another

https://mobile.twitter.com/757elitedb/status/1132076210413068288


RE: Class of 2020 - SamuelMcF - 05-24-2019

(05-24-2019, 09:37 PM)BobK Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/airmgreene/status/1132022849202511872

A new offer and another

https://mobile.twitter.com/757elitedb/status/1132076210413068288

Grimes is '21. LOVE the offer to Greene; he's a 4* safety (LOVE) with a 3.95 GPA (LOVE). https://247sports.com/Player/Malcolm-Greene-46055228/


RE: Class of 2020 - PVTree - 05-24-2019

Grimes incorrectly spelled Stanford. Probably tried to get the word out too fast.


RE: Class of 2020 - SamuelMcF - 05-27-2019




New LB offer. His offer list is crazy: https://247sports.com/Player/Cullen-Coleman-46079317/


RE: Class of 2020 - martyup - 05-27-2019

Crazy because Stanford is not on it.


RE: Class of 2020 - CompSci87 - 05-27-2019

(05-27-2019, 04:01 PM)martyup Wrote:  Crazy because Stanford is not on it.

Yet, presumably. Give those 247 guys a little time; I doubt they really work 24/7.


RE: Class of 2020 - martyup - 05-27-2019

(05-27-2019, 08:27 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:  
(05-27-2019, 04:01 PM)martyup Wrote:  Crazy because Stanford is not on it.

Yet, presumably. Give those 247 guys a little time; I doubt they really work 24/7.

Oh, I thought the recruits made their own lists.


RE: Class of 2020 - BostonCard - 05-27-2019

(05-27-2019, 08:36 PM)martyup Wrote:  
(05-27-2019, 08:27 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:  
(05-27-2019, 04:01 PM)martyup Wrote:  Crazy because Stanford is not on it.

Yet, presumably. Give those 247 guys a little time; I doubt they really work 24/7.

Oh, I thought the recruits made their own lists.

Recruits "make" their lists on facebook, twitter, instagram, or whatever the cool kids are using these days.  The folks at 247 follow the kids and update the lists on the site accordingly. This is supplemented from information gleaned from program insiders (though that is supposed to be confidential). So, the lists may not be completely accurate.

BC


RE: Class of 2020 - OutsiderFan - 05-29-2019

“Stanford is definitely up there, but one thing that hurts Stanford is that he wants to end his recruitment early and he can’t take his official until January. We’ll see if that’s a hold-up on his end. It’s pricey for him to go out there on his own between now and January so we’ll see what happens there.

https://n.rivals.com/news/take-two-is-there-a-leader-for-three-star-lb-wesley-steiner-

He could absolutely take his official visit to Stanford this Summer if Shaw wasn't so stubborn. I get preferring to have official visits in January (though I think given changes to the recruiting calendar, it is unwise to have them so late), but why the hell not allow the recruit to decide in terms of what he needs to make his decision?


RE: Class of 2020 - BostonCard - 05-29-2019

Link is broken, but I agree.  In the new recruiting calendar, clinging to the concept of a January “big visit” is a self-inflicted wound.  Very little upside and the downside of situations as above.

BC


RE: Class of 2020 - CTcard - 05-29-2019

(05-29-2019, 03:07 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  “Stanford is definitely up there, but one thing that hurts Stanford is that he wants to end his recruitment early and he can’t take his official until January. We’ll see if that’s a hold-up on his end. It’s pricey for him to go out there on his own between now and January so we’ll see what happens there.

https://n.rivals.com/news/take-two-is-there-a-leader-for-three-star-lb-wesley-steiner-

He could absolutely take his official visit to Stanford this Summer if Shaw wasn't so stubborn. I get preferring to have official visits in January (though I think given changes to the recruiting calendar, it is unwise to have them so late), but why the hell not allow the recruit to decide in terms of what he needs to make his decision?

My memory is that Stanford did have a few official visits before January last year. So it is at least possible there might be other issues here. [Or maybe my memory is not reliable - I am hoping someone who better remembers chimes in.]

247 reports that he unofficially visited Stanford on April 2, so I guess he had some ability to get out there on his own.

[I note that the Cardinal Sports Report ad for the article states that "Cardinal is a top contender for the lite linebacker". Oh for an editor (at least he certainly doesn't look light).]


RE: Class of 2020 - SamuelMcF - 05-29-2019

(05-29-2019, 03:37 PM)CTcard Wrote:  My memory is that Stanford did have a few official visits before January last year. So it is at least possible there might be other issues here. [Or maybe my memory is not reliable - I am hoping someone who better remembers chimes in.] 

That has never been the case. The January "Big Visit" is the official every year. We've had plenty of commits/recruits on campus for games on unofficial visits, though.


RE: Class of 2020 - OutsiderFan - 05-29-2019

What’s lame about this is the whole January Big Visit is not some sort of long-standing tradition. Stanford  not that long ago had official visits during football season, some in September. Shaw only stopped having in-season official visits a few years ago, and then the NCAA sped up the recruiting calendar. He really needs to adapt.

I don’t know if Steiner won’t end up at Stanford because there is no early visit being offered, but even if HE ends up elsewhere for other reasons, Stanford is absolutely going to miss on some guys it might have landed with a more flexible (and smarter) approach to official visits.


RE: Class of 2020 - Phogge - 05-29-2019

I think it’s time for everyone to send Shaw an email stating that we like no officials until the Big Visit, that we are in favor of his self imposed scholarship limit, that we like it when he doesn’t offer a QB during a cycle and that we absolutely love it when he punts from the opponents 29.


RE: Class of 2020 - BostonCard - 05-30-2019

Traditionally the unofficial rule was no official visits until a recruit has cleared admissions.  As a practical matter, that typically meant January, during big visit, but that wasn't always the case.  In the days before the early signing period, there were smaller official visits in January, to accommodate recruits who couldn't make it to BV (and the occasional recruit who hadn't been admitted after 7th semester grades; for example a recruit waiting to retake the SAT).  But we did have recruits who were admitted in the summer, and those recruits occasionally took visits in the fall.  OF is right, there is nothing magical about a January official visit, and in light of the changes in the recruiting calendar, Shaw should change the visit calendar.

BC


RE: Class of 2020 - CTcard - 05-30-2019

(05-29-2019, 04:57 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  That has never been the case. The January "Big Visit" is the official every year. We've had plenty of commits/recruits on campus for games on unofficial visits, though.

Okay, I certainly don't know.

I do see things like 247 Sports reporting that Hudson Henry officially visited Stanford on October 6, 2018 - presumably they got confused whether it was an official (i.e. paid for) visit?