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Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - cardcrimson - 09-21-2019
Against Oregon no less. Something's gotta change!!!!!
Shaw. Please get an Offensive Coordinator from outside the program!
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - martyup - 09-21-2019
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I don't know how we can get 5 more wins.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - Brickcity - 09-21-2019
"But...Tavita is so nice! And loyal...and...nice!"
-Inside David Shaw's brain.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - SamuelMcF - 09-21-2019
2 offensive TDs in the last 10 quarters of play.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - VFRing98 - 09-21-2019
Probably just poor execution, guys.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - 81alum - 09-21-2019
I think the TV commentators had it right. There was no downfield passing game at all, and this allowed the Oregon D to focus on Parkinson and disrupt the short passing game.
Losing our three most prolific receivers from last year, while having Costello sidelined with injury when he needed to be working with the new ones, seems to have prevented us from developing any kind of downfield threat. We won't win many games unless that gets corrected--if only to loosen up defenses.
Oregon was extremely well prepared for our screen passes and double teamed Parkinson, daring us to to something different. And we apparently could not.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - cardcrimson - 09-21-2019
(09-21-2019, 07:44 PM)81alum Wrote: I think the TV commentators had it right. There was no downfield passing game at all, and this allowed the Oregon D to focus on Parkinson and disrupt the short passing game.
Losing our three most prolific receivers from last year, while having Costello sidelined with injury when he needed to be working with the new ones, seems to have prevented us from developing any kind of downfield threat. We won't win many games unless that gets corrected--if only to loosen up defenses.
Oregon was extremely well prepared for our screen passes and double teamed Parkinson, daring us to to something different. And we apparently could not.
Good point. We had players graduate, and we weren't prepared for it. Who would have thunk about graduating players in college football?
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - winflop - 09-21-2019
(09-21-2019, 07:13 PM)martyup Wrote:
I don't know how we can get 5 more wins.
I don't think we will
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - d4cohn - 09-21-2019
(09-21-2019, 07:44 PM)81alum Wrote: Losing our three most prolific receivers from last year, while having Costello sidelined with injury when he needed to be working with the new ones, seems to have prevented us from developing any kind of downfield threat. We won't win many games unless that gets corrected--if only to loosen up defenses.
Given how young and still developing the freshmen on the OL are, the biggest thing we need is a vertical WR (obviously someone like JJAW, but even some with just pure speed like Michael Rector). Perhaps Michael Wilson can be that guy, but I don't think he is there yet. OSB seems best suited to run deep crossing routes that take a lot of time that we just don't have at the OL right now.
As such, there is no vertical guy to stretch the defense and prevent the defense from bearing down on our backfield.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - qwerty49 - 09-21-2019
(09-21-2019, 07:44 PM)81alum Wrote: I think the TV commentators had it right. There was no downfield passing game at all, and this allowed the Oregon D to focus on Parkinson and disrupt the short passing game.
Losing our three most prolific receivers from last year, while having Costello sidelined with injury when he needed to be working with the new ones, seems to have prevented us from developing any kind of downfield threat. We won't win many games unless that gets corrected--if only to loosen up defenses.
Oregon was extremely well prepared for our screen passes and double teamed Parkinson, daring us to to something different. And we apparently could not.
Just run Scarlett every play. At least that won't be as predictable as our passing offense. And KJ is just way too locked in on Parkinson. Presumably that will show on film and he might be able to correct it.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - Mick - 09-22-2019
(09-21-2019, 07:10 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Against Oregon no less. Something's gotta change!!!!!
Oregon hasn't given up an offensive TD in three games. It isn't just us.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - cardcrimson - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019, 11:18 AM)Mick Wrote:(09-21-2019, 07:10 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Against Oregon no less. Something's gotta change!!!!!
Oregon hasn't given up an offensive TD in three games. It isn't just us.
Fair point. So you're saying we're comparable to Nevada and Montana's offenses when they're on the road and we're at home. No disagreement here.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - Treebound - 09-22-2019
If Shaw can't see that he needs a real OC now, he never will. He is Tavita's mentor and Tavita will not push back hard enough, nor be able to think outside the Shaw box. He's come from this program and it's all he knows. He is better off going to another program to learn from a different system and coaching staff to broaden his skillset. Shaw can set him up with Dabo.
Why not Andrew to return as OC along with a part time grad school stint? I know, wishful thinking. We need someone to push Shaw into reality and to help re-focus on recruiting as well. I tip my hat to Sc for bringing in their new OC - and that's hard for me to say. This should be a major wake-up call for Shaw. I haven't been this disappointed in him since the Fiesta Bowl mess. Time to wake up and make some adjustments or we will revert to the mean.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - Row80Critic - 09-22-2019
In a word, stubborn. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn.
I'd like to see another QB get a shot, and see a lot more of #20, and get a proven offensive coordinator, and see the coaches accept SOME of the responsibility, and stop with the injury-inducing hardest schedule in America schtick. And give-up already on the big offensive "system" that is apparently so complex it takes a Stanford student years to learn. If it worked well, then maybe it's worth the waste of talent. But it doesn't! The only times that system has put up decent points is when Stanford had generational talent in the backfield and/or front line. How do you create a decent offense in college football? Put extraordinary players in a constipated scheme and let them do their best to overcome it. And what's so wrong with dual-threat QB's? The good ones pass better than Stanford's current QB's have so far, and run better than Stanford's current running backs. If anything, Pro-style pocket passer is just a nice way of saying he can't move out of his own way and is only good if he has perfect protection and open receivers.
Are you a 5 star recruit and near-lock for the NFL? Then come to Stanford where you can ride the bench for a few years thanks to the world's most needlessly complex and unproductive offensive scheme -- all while your friends are becoming household names and All-Americans!
And another thing, when I was a boy.....[rant, rant, rant....]
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - BostonCard - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019, 12:54 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: The only times that system has put up decent points is when Stanford had generational talent in the backfield and/or front line.
Seems we've had "generational talent" more than once in a generation in the last ten years.
I'd like to see Shaw take a page from his friend's (Dabo Swinney) playbook. In Swinney's second full year at Clemson, the Tigers went 6-7 (4-4 in the ACC). So Swinney went out and hired an up-and-coming offensive coordinator from Tulsa named Chad Morris. Tulsa had gone from scoring 29 points on a game on 4921 yards (5.6 yards per play) in 2009 to 41 points per game on 6573 yards (6.5 ypp) the next year under Morris. Morris engineered a similar turnaround at Clemson; Clemson went from 24 ppg on 4349 yards (5.0 yards per play) the year before Morris became OC to 37 ppg on 6171 yards (5.9 ypp) his first year as coordinator, to 41 ppg on 6665 yards (6.3 ypp) his second year. He then repeated this as head coach at SMU taking them from 11 ppg (not a typo) and a 1-11 season the year before they arrived to 38 ppg and a bowl game three years later. Not saying we need to take on Morris' system (detailed in excruciating detail here: https://matchquarters.com/2018/12/01/the-morris-clemson-offensive-system/) but I think we need to find our own Chad Morris, an up-and-coming, innovative OC.
BC
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - ADPinWDC - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019, 01:51 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-22-2019, 12:54 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: The only times that system has put up decent points is when Stanford had generational talent in the backfield and/or front line.
Seems we've had "generational talent" more than once in a generation in the last ten years.
I'd like to see Shaw take a page from his friend's (Dabo Swinney) playbook. In Swinney's second full year at Clemson, the Tigers went 6-7 (4-4 in the ACC). So Swinney went out and hired an up-and-coming offensive coordinator from Tulsa named Chad Morris. Tulsa had gone from scoring 29 points on a game on 4921 yards (5.6 yards per play) in 2009 to 41 points per game on 6573 yards (6.5 ypp) the next year under Morris. Morris engineered a similar turnaround at Clemson; Clemson went from 24 ppg on 4349 yards (5.0 yards per play) the year before Morris became OC to 37 ppg on 6171 yards (5.9 ypp) his first year as coordinator, to 41 ppg on 6665 yards (6.3 ypp) his second year. He then repeated this as head coach at SMU taking them from 11 ppg (not a typo) and a 1-11 season the year before they arrived to 38 ppg and a bowl game three years later. Not saying we need to take on Morris' system (detailed in excruciating detail here: https://matchquarters.com/2018/12/01/the-morris-clemson-offensive-system/) but I think we need to find our own Chad Morris, an up-and-coming, innovative OC.
BC
With the turnaround he did at UCF with Scott Frost, why not bring back Troy Walters (Stanford '99; Biletnikoffer) ?
He only makes $700,000 as OffCo for NEBR. We can match that in PA terms and better. So, somebody needs to make a DECISION.
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/nebraska-officially-announces-additions-of-troy-walters-sean-beckton-zach/article_ec2f2006-dc61-11e7-bdb2-073c3de04d41.html
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - CornFed - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019, 01:51 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-22-2019, 12:54 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: The only times that system has put up decent points is when Stanford had generational talent in the backfield and/or front line.
Seems we've had "generational talent" more than once in a generation in the last ten years.
I'd like to see Shaw take a page from his friend's (Dabo Swinney) playbook. In Swinney's second full year at Clemson, the Tigers went 6-7 (4-4 in the ACC). So Swinney went out and hired an up-and-coming offensive coordinator from Tulsa named Chad Morris. Tulsa had gone from scoring 29 points on a game on 4921 yards (5.6 yards per play) in 2009 to 41 points per game on 6573 yards (6.5 ypp) the next year under Morris. Morris engineered a similar turnaround at Clemson; Clemson went from 24 ppg on 4349 yards (5.0 yards per play) the year before Morris became OC to 37 ppg on 6171 yards (5.9 ypp) his first year as coordinator, to 41 ppg on 6665 yards (6.3 ypp) his second year. He then repeated this as head coach at SMU taking them from 11 ppg (not a typo) and a 1-11 season the year before they arrived to 38 ppg and a bowl game three years later. Not saying we need to take on Morris' system (detailed in excruciating detail here: https://matchquarters.com/2018/12/01/the-morris-clemson-offensive-system/) but I think we need to find our own Chad Morris, an up-and-coming, innovative OC.
BC
What a great idea, BC!! Now all we have to do is go find a previously-unknown coach of extraordinary potential and hire him. Any thoughts about how we go about identifying this program transforming person? We should get right on this. But keep it hush, hush. We wouldn't want any other program to think of this.
I really am just kidding but you know, we already had this experience in the past. Walsh wasn't exactly unknown, but I don't think folks understood how staggering his effect on football would be when he came to Stanford the first time. And then, the hiring of Harbaugh and Shaw could surely be described as serendipity to a significant degree. Miracles happen. Just not very often in the places and at the times of our choosing. Sometimes we are not even aware that they have occurred.
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - 82lsju - 09-22-2019
we had I think 16 TDs in 2006
so far we have 7TDs in 4 games, on pace for 21 TDs for the season.......
RE: Zero &%*$&# TDs. Pathetic. - Spiny_Norman - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019, 03:03 PM)82lsju Wrote: we had I think 16 TDs in 2006
so far we have 7TDs in 4 games, on pace for 21 TDs for the season.......
5 TDs by the offense. One vs. NW was scored by the defense. One vs. UCF was scored by the defense.
Go back to the end of last season. In Big Game, the offense scored 2 TDs. In the Sun Bowl, the offense scored 2 TDs. Stanford has scored 9 offensive TDs in the past 6 games. That is Teevens-level anemia. UCLA and Wazzu scored 9 TDs each last night!
lex24 - lex24 - 09-22-2019
Because Stanford isn’t going to run an uptempo spread offense. And shouldn’t. I’m all for changes at OC. But give me somebody that runs a varied pro-style offense. He can look to Santa Clara. Or Wisconsin.
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(09-22-2019, 01:51 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-22-2019, 12:54 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: The only times that system has put up decent points is when Stanford had generational talent in the backfield and/or front line.
Seems we've had "generational talent" more than once in a generation in the last ten years.
I'd like to see Shaw take a page from his friend's (Dabo Swinney) playbook. In Swinney's second full year at Clemson, the Tigers went 6-7 (4-4 in the ACC). So Swinney went out and hired an up-and-coming offensive coordinator from Tulsa named Chad Morris. Tulsa had gone from scoring 29 points on a game on 4921 yards (5.6 yards per play) in 2009 to 41 points per game on 6573 yards (6.5 ypp) the next year under Morris. Morris engineered a similar turnaround at Clemson; Clemson went from 24 ppg on 4349 yards (5.0 yards per play) the year before Morris became OC to 37 ppg on 6171 yards (5.9 ypp) his first year as coordinator, to 41 ppg on 6665 yards (6.3 ypp) his second year. He then repeated this as head coach at SMU taking them from 11 ppg (not a typo) and a 1-11 season the year before they arrived to 38 ppg and a bowl game three years later. Not saying we need to take on Morris' system (detailed in excruciating detail here: https://matchquarters.com/2018/12/01/the-morris-clemson-offensive-system/) but I think we need to find our own Chad Morris, an up-and-coming, innovative OC.
BC
With the turnaroudn he did at UCF with Scott Frost, why not bring back Troy Walters (Stanford '99; Biletnikoffer) ?
He only makes $700,000 as OffCo for NEBR. We can match that in PA terms and better. So, somebody needs to make a DECISION.
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/nebraska-officially-announces-additions-of-troy-walters-sean-beckton-zach/article_ec2f2006-dc61-11e7-bdb2-073c3de04d41.html
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