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Columbia disbands its band - oldalum - 10-02-2019

with parallels to our band's recent experience.

banned from playing at athletic events

RE: Columbia disbands its band - cctop - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 08:02 AM)oldalum Wrote: with parallels to our band's recent experience.

banned from playing at athletic events

The photo of the (non-) crowd at their home opener is just sad. Most high schools have bigger crowds than that.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - Mick - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 09:28 AM)cctop Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 08:02 AM)oldalum Wrote: with parallels to our band's recent experience.

banned from playing at athletic events

The photo of the (non-) crowd at their home opener is just sad. Most high schools have bigger crowds than that.

Columbia averaged 5,667 fans. Top was Hahvahd at 9,842, bottom was Dartmouth at 4,007. Yale's stadium holds 61k+, they average 7,600 or so. Smallest stadium is Dartmouth at 11,000.

I saw a quarter of an Ivy league game once, Princeton vs. I forget who. First play, the Princeton slot receiver runs to the flat, QB throws the ball into the ground about 2/3 of the way to the receiver. Honestly looked like a pretty decent high school team, nothing like a Power 5 game.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - CornFed - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 09:52 AM)Mick Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 09:28 AM)cctop Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 08:02 AM)oldalum Wrote: with parallels to our band's recent experience.

banned from playing at athletic events

The photo of the (non-) crowd at their home opener is just sad. Most high schools have bigger crowds than that.

Columbia averaged 5,667 fans. Top was Hahvahd at 9,842, bottom was Dartmouth at 4,007. Yale's stadium holds 61k+, they average 7,600 or so. Smallest stadium is Dartmouth at 11,000.

I saw a quarter of an Ivy league game once, Princeton vs. I forget who. First play, the Princeton slot receiver runs to the flat, QB throws the ball into the ground about 2/3 of the way to the receiver. Honestly looked like a pretty decent high school team, nothing like a Power 5 game.

I was fortunate enough to attend the greatest Ivy League game of all time and a contender for greatest football game of all time. That would be when Harvard beat Yale 29-29 in 1968. Harvard's stadium was sold out.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - CowboyIndian - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 10:01 AM)CornFed Wrote: I was fortunate enough to attend the greatest Ivy League game of all time and a contender for greatest football game of all time. That would be when Harvard beat Yale 29-29 in 1968. Harvard's stadium was sold out.

Great documentary featuring (ta-da!) Tommy Lee Jones as an offensive guard. :)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj-kPbYkP7kAhUFKa0KHcFJCioQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fawfj.org%2Fcinema-citizen%2F2016%2F08%2F21%2Fharvard-beats-yale-29-29-movie-review%2F&psig=AOvVaw21ABjheMWyLBMEbvv3VOGN&ust=1570124760486473

RE: Columbia disbands its band - cardcrimson - 10-02-2019

Went to the Yale Bowl for The Game. Frigid temps, windy. Great experience. Though did see a punt that went for negative yards.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - JustAnotherFan - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 09:28 AM)cctop Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 08:02 AM)oldalum Wrote: with parallels to our band's recent experience.

banned from playing at athletic events

The photo of the (non-) crowd at their home opener is just sad. Most high schools have bigger crowds than that.

1. Reminds me of parts of our stadium before classes start.
2. That's a picture of the away team's bleachers.
3. Columbia is pretty sorry even for Ivy League teams. They went 1-29 over a three year period earlier this decade.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - SamuelMcF - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 12:37 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: 3. Columbia is pretty sorry even for Ivy League teams. They went 1-29 over a three year period earlier this decade.

With former Stanford QB Brett Nottingham starting!

RE: Columbia disbands its band - BostonCard - 10-02-2019

(10-02-2019, 12:55 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 12:37 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: 3. Columbia is pretty sorry even for Ivy League teams. They went 1-29 over a three year period earlier this decade.

With former Stanford QB Brett Nottingham starting!

I thought Nottingham got benched!

Ok, a bit more nuanced than that. ..

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/sports/2015/09/08/quarterback-brett-nottingham-officially-leaves-football-team/

BC

RE: Columbia disbands its band - TreeWeird - 10-02-2019

Columbia was 6-4 last year and 8-2 in 2017, so they have improved greatly in the last couple years.

Columbia's stadium and other outside athletic facilities are a fair subway ride away from campus. Not only does that discourage student game attendance, but it means the team has to take a bus to practice every day (or at least it used to).

Don't knock going to an FCS game. At least you won't hear these words so much: "full media timeout"

RE: Columbia disbands its band - CowboyIndian - 10-02-2019

My first ever college game: November, 1957...Rutgers at Columbia, which the Lions unsurprisingly lost by 3 TDs. It was at Baker Field, high above the Hudson. Seemed like a big deal at the time.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - Mick - 10-03-2019

(10-02-2019, 01:48 PM)TreeWeird Wrote: Columbia was 6-4 last year and 8-2 in 2017, so they have improved greatly in the last couple years.

Columbia's stadium and other outside athletic facilities are a fair subway ride away from campus. Not only does that discourage student game attendance, but it means the team has to take a bus to practice every day (or at least it used to).

Don't knock going to an FCS game. At least you won't hear these words so much: "full media timeout"

I had the chance to have a few conversations with Columbia's former football coach and Silicon Valley's original coach Bill Campbell. Very interesting guy. Didn't have much to coach with, though he made All-Ivy his senior year at Columbia. But he was a local legend of sorts, coach to Silicon Valley stars.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90331367/bill-campbell-silicon-valley-trillion-dollar-coach-book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Campbell_(business_executive)

RE: Columbia disbands its band - JohnR34231 - 10-03-2019

(10-02-2019, 10:01 AM)CornFed Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 09:52 AM)Mick Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 09:28 AM)cctop Wrote:
(10-02-2019, 08:02 AM)oldalum Wrote: with parallels to our band's recent experience.

banned from playing at athletic events

The photo of the (non-) crowd at their home opener is just sad. Most high schools have bigger crowds than that.

Columbia averaged 5,667 fans. Top was Hahvahd at 9,842, bottom was Dartmouth at 4,007. Yale's stadium holds 61k+, they average 7,600 or so. Smallest stadium is Dartmouth at 11,000.

I saw a quarter of an Ivy league game once, Princeton vs. I forget who. First play, the Princeton slot receiver runs to the flat, QB throws the ball into the ground about 2/3 of the way to the receiver. Honestly looked like a pretty decent high school team, nothing like a Power 5 game.

I was fortunate enough to attend the greatest Ivy League game of all time and a contender for greatest football game of all time. That would be when Harvard beat Yale 29-29 in 1968. Harvard's stadium was sold out.

Harvard had a last minute drive to tie the game. Yale had three high school All-Americans (including Grant Hill) who played offense but usually didn't play defense. When asked why he didn't put them in to stop Harvard's last drive, the Yale coach said he didn't want the three guys who got replaced to remember their Yale football careers that way.
Different philosophy in the Ivy League, even back then.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - BigEasyCard - 10-03-2019

(10-02-2019, 04:39 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote: My first ever college game: November, 1957...Rutgers at Columbia, which the Lions unsurprisingly lost by 3 TDs. It was at Baker Field, high above the Hudson. Seemed like a big deal at the time.

My Dad attended Columbia on the GI Bill and spent the first half of his career working in the administration there. I may have been at that same game as we regularly attended football games despite the mostly losing record. I recall them as a great family experience.

Columbia football's only bowl game is a 7-0 victory over Stanford in the 1933 Rose Bowl.

Geaux Cardinal!

RE: Columbia disbands its band - cctop - 10-03-2019

I forwarded the story to my 85-year-old father who played football for Columbia in the 1950's.

They weren't any better back then. The highlight of his football career might have been that as a senior he passed along his equipment to freshman (and future actor) Brian Dennehy who was the only guy on the team big enough to wear the pants.

I thought he'd like a traditional marching band, but he surprised me by saying he was going to send a letter to the A.D. to just let the kids play and do what they want.

(10-02-2019, 12:37 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: 2. That's a picture of the away team's bleachers.

Thanks, yes, my dad said Georgetown is barely more than a club team so it's no surprise that there are few fans on their side.

(10-03-2019, 06:58 AM)BigEasyCard Wrote: Columbia football's only bowl game is a 7-0 victory over Stanford in the 1933 Rose Bowl.

Believe me, I hear about this all the time. It's the high point of the Columbia football program. Whenever the topic comes up, my dad says "KF-79!" which was the play Columbia used to score the only touchdown of the game -- a naked reverse to the left by the tailback.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - 82lsju - 10-03-2019

(10-03-2019, 06:56 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Harvard had a last minute drive to tie the game. Yale had three high school All-Americans (including Grant Hill) who played offense but usually didn't play defense. When asked why he didn't put them in to stop Harvard's last drive, the Yale coach said he didn't want the three guys who got replaced to remember their Yale football careers that way.
Different philosophy in the Ivy League, even back then.

Calvin Hill??

RE: Columbia disbands its band - CornFed - 10-03-2019

(10-03-2019, 09:20 AM)82lsju Wrote:
(10-03-2019, 06:56 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Harvard had a last minute drive to tie the game. Yale had three high school All-Americans (including Grant Hill) who played offense but usually didn't play defense. When asked why he didn't put them in to stop Harvard's last drive, the Yale coach said he didn't want the three guys who got replaced to remember their Yale football careers that way.
Different philosophy in the Ivy League, even back then.

Calvin Hill??

Yes. I must have flubbed my post about that. Calvin is Grant's father I believe. Also, is Calvin Hill the only Ivy League player after 1960 to make it into the NFL Hall of Fame?

Anyway, JohnR+ vastly undersold how exciting and unusual the end of that game was. I recommend the film to anyone who is mildly interested in football. Should be available for free online somewhere.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - CowboyIndian - 10-03-2019

(10-03-2019, 11:41 AM)CornFed Wrote: Yes. I must have flubbed my post about that. Calvin is Grant's father I believe. Also, is Calvin Hill the only Ivy League player after 1960 to make it into the NFL Hall of Fame?

What about the punter from Harvard....Pat....???

RE: Columbia disbands its band - Mick - 10-03-2019

CowboyIndian Wrote:
CornFed Wrote:Yes. I must have flubbed my post about that. Calvin is Grant's father I believe. Also, is Calvin Hill the only Ivy League player after 1960 to make it into the NFL Hall of Fame?

What about the punter from Harvard....Pat....???

Harvard's Pat McInally was inducted into the College Hall of Fame in 2016. He is not a member of the NFL Hall of Fame, and since he made all-pro just one time, it is unlikely that he will be enshrined in Canton.

RE: Columbia disbands its band - CowboyIndian - 10-03-2019

(10-03-2019, 05:18 PM)Mick Wrote: He is not a member of the NFL Hall of Fame, and since he made all-pro just one time, it is unlikely that he will be enshrined in Canton.

Is Ray Guy the only punter (exclusively) in the NFL HOF? Seems a bit under-represented. Dave Lewis, former Stanford QB, was a helluva punter for the Bengals after he left the Farm in '67.