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Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - yvonne - 11-23-2019

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BarryJSanders26/status/1198393108028747776[/tweet]

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - BostonCard - 11-23-2019

There have been a few games where come the fourth quarter, our defense, especially, has fallen apart. While I’m not sure that injuries are much more than a stochastic event (though the correlation with Turkey’s departure is is eyebrow raising), I think our conditioning has gone down a notch and it shows. I liked it better when in the fourth quarter we were the ones pushing tired defenses around.

BC

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - French Rage - 11-23-2019

On a related note, I love all of the McCaffrey stuff he retweets.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - winflop - 11-23-2019

(11-23-2019, 09:45 PM)BostonCard Wrote: There have been a few games where come the fourth quarter, our defense, especially, has fallen apart. While I’m not sure that injuries are much more than a stochastic event (though the correlation with Turkey’s departure is is eyebrow raising), I think our conditioning has gone down a notch and it shows. I liked it better when in the fourth quarter we were the ones pushing tired defenses around.

BC

It helps to be the team whose offense is on the field for 35 minutes per game rather than being the team whose defense is out there for 35 minutes per game. But yes conditioning appears to have slipped as well.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - yvonne - 11-23-2019

This from another football alum who's very involved with the program:

Quote:What it does make is a tough season where 18 players have missed at least two games and a dozen key players have been lost to surgery. Including 3 of 5 starting Offensive Linemen... one of whom was a preseason All American.

36 different players have had to start including a ton of Freshmen.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - fullmetal - 11-23-2019

Might be a reference to the OL's inability to make holes consistently...on short yardage run plays.

lex24 - lex24 - 11-24-2019

Softest Stanford team since Wlat.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Austroturf - 11-24-2019

(11-23-2019, 09:41 PM)yvonne Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/BarryJSanders26/status/1198393108028747776[/tweet]

This is on point. Yes, major improvements are necessary on both sides of the ball. We need to improve recruiting, increase the number of scholarship players, develop a coherent offensive identity and upgrade the coaching staff in various positions. But if the players that result from these changes are either injured or out-of-shape or both, we won't see any improvement in the final tally of Ws and Ls.

The decline in toughness, stamina and the oft-cited "Intellectual Brutality" of Stanford football is evident to anyone who has followed the team during the Shaw era. He started out with a band of merry marauders who would happily push any opponent off the field, particularly late in the game, and now has a MASH unit that surrenders in the 4th quarter. This is not just bad luck. This is a clear indictment of the strength and conditioning program, which was a major factor in Stanford's run of success in the HarShaw era. A simple formula: make the players stronger and fitter, and they will suffer fewer injuries, play longer and, yes, play better.

I sometimes doubt whether Shaw really values that aspect of the game. We don't know why Turley was let go nor why the S&C program has been moved outside of Shaw's direct purview; but if I were in Shaw's position, I would insist on having a solid replacement for Turley directly on the staff and accountable to the football team only. During the now departed golden years of Stanford football, the post game-day articles would often detail the casualties incurred by Stanford's opponents during the contest. Now it's the other way around. And this will continue unless this now deficient part of the program is addressed and improved.

I have often had the impression that Shaw believes "Intellectual Brutality" has been institutionalized at Stanford and is a birthright. If he ever entertained this delusion, I hope the results this season will disabuse him of that notion. Since we will never have the recruiting classes of Bama, Clemson, Ohio State or even USC, our only chance of returning to preeminence is to field a squad of fit and scrappy players that can stay healthy and punch above their weight.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Mick - 11-24-2019

Through the first 11 games this season, the Cardinal has been outscored in the first quarter, 96-54. The Cardinal has actually done reasonably well in the second quarter, outscoring its opponents 84-77 -- the only quarter in which we collectively outscored our opponents. We held our own in the third quarter, being outscored by just one collective point, 39-40. And in the fourth quarter, our injuries, lack of stamina and lack of strength really showed as we scored just 59 and gave up 100 points.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Hurlburt88 - 11-24-2019

1. Fix/improve our strength & conditioning program
2. Fill all scholarship spots
3. Improve staff with focus on innovation and EUTM

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Austroturf - 11-24-2019

Here is the Stanford Daily article on Turley. I am sure this has been shared before, but since his absence is raised in this thread, I thought it might be informative for some readers to have more background on the subject. I am certain it did not help that Turley was promoted to an athletics-wide Director position that effectively moved him outside of Shaw's direct influence. There are several names listed on Shaw's staff with the titles of "Sports Performance" coaches (Perez, Farniok, Contorno). Perez and Farniok are in their first years, so they probably have had little positive or negative effect on the program, while Contorno is in her third year and has several side gigs in men's volleyball and women's lightweight rowing. However you cut it, the model is not working for Stanford football. This article underscores clearly the impact Turley had on reducing injuries on the football team; and whatever decisions were made to move him away from his previous 100% dedication to football have really hurt the team. Shaw should insist that Muir gives him his own dedicated S&C director. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/04/17/stanford-fires-award-winning-sports-performance-director/

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - OutsiderFan - 11-24-2019

It is certifiably bonkers to have a college football team S&C coach diffusing his focus with any other sport. There are over 100 guys on the roster.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - martyup - 11-24-2019

(11-24-2019, 09:54 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It is certifiably bonkers to have a college football team S&C coach diffusing his focus with any other sport. There are over 100 guys on the roster.

Totally agree. We need an SC coach that can toughen our guys up. Take em out to the Nevada desert for a week and move rocks, eat rattlesnakes, dig tunnels, indian wrestle, etc. Try something out of the box. What's happening is not working.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - cardcrimson - 11-24-2019

(11-24-2019, 10:02 AM)martyup Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 09:54 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It is certifiably bonkers to have a college football team S&C coach diffusing his focus with any other sport. There are over 100 guys on the roster.

Totally agree. We need an SC coach that can toughen our guys up. Take em out to the Nevada desert for a week and move rocks, eat rattlesnakes, dig tunnels, indian Cardinal wrestle, etc. Try something out of the box. What's happening is not working.

Fixed it for you.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - yvonne - 11-24-2019

(11-24-2019, 09:39 AM)Austroturf Wrote: Here is the Stanford Daily article on Turley. I am sure this has been shared before, but since his absence is raised in this thread, I thought it might be informative for some readers to have more background on the subject. I am certain it did not help that Turley was promoted to an athletics-wide Director position that effectively moved him outside of Shaw's direct influence. There are several names listed on Shaw's staff with the titles of "Sports Performance" coaches (Perez, Farniok, Contorno). Perez and Farniok are in their first years, so they probably have had little positive or negative effect on the program, while Contorno is in her third year and has several side gigs in men's volleyball and women's lightweight rowing. However you cut it, the model is not working for Stanford football. This article underscores clearly the impact Turley had on reducing injuries on the football team; and whatever decisions were made to move him away from his previous 100% dedication to football have really hurt the team. Shaw should insist that Muir gives him his own dedicated S&C director. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/04/17/stanford-fires-award-winning-sports-performance-director/

So, I did remember correctly. Turley was fired for cause and it was not by the football program.

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Austroturf - 11-24-2019

(11-24-2019, 11:06 AM)yvonne Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 09:39 AM)Austroturf Wrote: Here is the Stanford Daily article on Turley. I am sure this has been shared before, but since his absence is raised in this thread, I thought it might be informative for some readers to have more background on the subject. I am certain it did not help that Turley was promoted to an athletics-wide Director position that effectively moved him outside of Shaw's direct influence. There are several names listed on Shaw's staff with the titles of "Sports Performance" coaches (Perez, Farniok, Contorno). Perez and Farniok are in their first years, so they probably have had little positive or negative effect on the program, while Contorno is in her third year and has several side gigs in men's volleyball and women's lightweight rowing. However you cut it, the model is not working for Stanford football. This article underscores clearly the impact Turley had on reducing injuries on the football team; and whatever decisions were made to move him away from his previous 100% dedication to football have really hurt the team. Shaw should insist that Muir gives him his own dedicated S&C director. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/04/17/stanford-fires-award-winning-sports-performance-director/

So, I did remember correctly. Turley was fired for cause and it was not by the football program.

Correct. The reason was never divulged. Speculation indicates that he did something in opposition to the university's standards of conduct. But that is only speculation. And I was unable to figure out where he is currently working (if at all). Clearly, the S&C program has been in decline for several years, so his effect on the program had already diminished through his move to the Director position for all athletics. Maybe the whole thing was political (i.e., Turley wanted to move to bigger things and couldn't achieve them in the limited framework of Stanford football, or maybe he and Shaw were not in perfect harmony -- there are a host of possible reasons).

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Phogge - 11-24-2019

Did he gat a hearing? Did he have a defense? Was some person out to nail him.

As Tennyson says, “The Stanford fandom wonders.”

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - Mick - 11-24-2019

If you do a basic internet search and read all the first page results, it becomes apparent why Turley was let go.

Two things interest me. First, it seems he had more flexibility as a strength coach for the football team by stepping away from it, because he could technically help with strength and conditioning at a time when football coaches couldn't technically do so. Also interesting is that Stanford had a spate of injuries when he came on board.

Second, the Daily article (and other articles I've found) mentioned that he's been "suspended" though they usually include the words fired. The official statement says that he "no longer works at Stanford University." So...was he fired, or was he suspended? And if he was fired, shouldn't he have landed elsewhere? Or is he waiting to return like MacArthur?

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - BostonCard - 11-25-2019

(11-24-2019, 01:05 PM)Austroturf Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 11:06 AM)yvonne Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 09:39 AM)Austroturf Wrote: Here is the Stanford Daily article on Turley. I am sure this has been shared before, but since his absence is raised in this thread, I thought it might be informative for some readers to have more background on the subject. I am certain it did not help that Turley was promoted to an athletics-wide Director position that effectively moved him outside of Shaw's direct influence. There are several names listed on Shaw's staff with the titles of "Sports Performance" coaches (Perez, Farniok, Contorno). Perez and Farniok are in their first years, so they probably have had little positive or negative effect on the program, while Contorno is in her third year and has several side gigs in men's volleyball and women's lightweight rowing. However you cut it, the model is not working for Stanford football. This article underscores clearly the impact Turley had on reducing injuries on the football team; and whatever decisions were made to move him away from his previous 100% dedication to football have really hurt the team. Shaw should insist that Muir gives him his own dedicated S&C director. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/04/17/stanford-fires-award-winning-sports-performance-director/

So, I did remember correctly. Turley was fired for cause and it was not by the football program.

Correct. The reason was never divulged. Speculation indicates that he did something in opposition to the university's standards of conduct. But that is only speculation. And I was unable to figure out where he is currently working (if at all). Clearly, the S&C program has been in decline for several years, so his effect on the program had already diminished through his move to the Director position for all athletics. Maybe the whole thing was political (i.e., Turley wanted to move to bigger things and couldn't achieve them in the limited framework of Stanford football, or maybe he and Shaw were not in perfect harmony -- there are a host of possible reasons).

It was no secret that Harbaugh had been trying to poach him to Michigan (which is partly what prompted his promotion to head of the S&C for the entire AD). Had Turley and Shaw not seen eye to eye, I think Turley could have elected to rejoin Harbaugh at Michigan and been part of their EUTM. That he did not accept means that either Stanford offered him so much money that even with some friction with Shaw he elected to stay, or that he had some unstated friction with Harbaugh or that he and Shaw actually got along fine.

BC

RE: Interesting tweet from Barry J. Sanders - cardcrimson - 11-25-2019

(11-25-2019, 11:18 AM)BostonCard Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 01:05 PM)Austroturf Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 11:06 AM)yvonne Wrote:
(11-24-2019, 09:39 AM)Austroturf Wrote: Here is the Stanford Daily article on Turley. I am sure this has been shared before, but since his absence is raised in this thread, I thought it might be informative for some readers to have more background on the subject. I am certain it did not help that Turley was promoted to an athletics-wide Director position that effectively moved him outside of Shaw's direct influence. There are several names listed on Shaw's staff with the titles of "Sports Performance" coaches (Perez, Farniok, Contorno). Perez and Farniok are in their first years, so they probably have had little positive or negative effect on the program, while Contorno is in her third year and has several side gigs in men's volleyball and women's lightweight rowing. However you cut it, the model is not working for Stanford football. This article underscores clearly the impact Turley had on reducing injuries on the football team; and whatever decisions were made to move him away from his previous 100% dedication to football have really hurt the team. Shaw should insist that Muir gives him his own dedicated S&C director. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/04/17/stanford-fires-award-winning-sports-performance-director/

So, I did remember correctly. Turley was fired for cause and it was not by the football program.

Correct. The reason was never divulged. Speculation indicates that he did something in opposition to the university's standards of conduct. But that is only speculation. And I was unable to figure out where he is currently working (if at all). Clearly, the S&C program has been in decline for several years, so his effect on the program had already diminished through his move to the Director position for all athletics. Maybe the whole thing was political (i.e., Turley wanted to move to bigger things and couldn't achieve them in the limited framework of Stanford football, or maybe he and Shaw were not in perfect harmony -- there are a host of possible reasons).

It was no secret that Harbaugh had been trying to poach him to Michigan (which is partly what prompted his promotion to head of the S&C for the entire AD). Had Turley and Shaw not seen eye to eye, I think Turley could have elected to rejoin Harbaugh at Michigan and been part of their EUTM. That he did not accept means that either Stanford offered him so much money that even with some friction with Shaw he elected to stay, or that he had some unstated friction with Harbaugh or that he and Shaw actually got along fine.

BC

Perhaps he doesn't like snow.