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New Cal OC - OutsiderFan - 01-03-2020

Bill Musgrave

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Musgrave

RE: New Cal OC - Goose - 01-03-2020

This could be interesting. Beau Baldwin was not well liked by lots of Cal folks. However, Cal seemed to get the most out of some not highly rated recruits. As many have pointed out on this board, if they didn't lose Garbers for a stretch, they might have won 8 or 9 games. If I were a Cal fan, I would be a bit worried about Musgrave's ability to translate his ideas on to less than four star athletes. Baldwin had lots of experience with this, Musgrave not so much. NFL players are usually pretty accomplished.

RE: New Cal OC - teejers1 - 01-03-2020

(01-03-2020, 01:47 PM)Goose Wrote: This could be interesting. Beau Baldwin was not well liked by lots of Cal folks. However, Cal seemed to get the most out of some not highly rated recruits. As many have pointed out on this board, if they didn't lose Garbers for a stretch, they might have won 8 or 9 games. If I were a Cal fan, I would be a bit worried about Musgrave's ability to translate his ideas on to less than four star athletes. Baldwin had lots of experience with this, Musgrave not so much. NFL players are usually pretty accomplished.

Musgrave is a great hire; furthering the performance distance between the teams on the field. (And the gap in the coaching staffs is even greater).

This is not a good development for Stanford. At all.

RE: New Cal OC - slide - 01-03-2020

(01-03-2020, 02:36 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Musgrave is a great hire; furthering the performance distance between the teams on the field. (And the gap in the coaching staffs is even greater).

This is not a good development for Stanford. At all.

agreed.

I wonder if there is any development plan for our non-head coaches or the view is they don't need further development. Bueller?

RE: New Cal OC - qwerty49 - 01-03-2020

(01-03-2020, 03:03 PM)slide Wrote: I wonder if there is any development plan for our non-head coaches or the view is they don't need further development. Bueller?

I fear the answer may be neither, i.e. there is no view.

RE: New Cal OC - Farm93 - 01-03-2020

20+ years in the NFL as a coach, 2 in college. No stop for more than 4 years. He probably will be at UCB just long enough to get the next crop of NFL offers, which he last needed to do with a stop at UVa. Without any coaching role since 2018, he needed something ASAP.

Good hire for UCB, good short-term option for Musgrave. Win-win, I suspect. Good for the UCBers.

Musgrave is also an Oregon alum. That means the HC and the OC for UCB are both Oregon grads. Have to guess that if Cristobal leaves, the administrators in Eugene will place a few calls to the East Bay.

RE: New Cal OC - OutsiderFan - 01-04-2020

Wilcox now has a DC who was a former Head Coach and an OC with a far more impressive resume than anyone on Stanford's offensive coaching staff.

David Shaw has shown no ability to hire coaches more accomplished than him as either DC or OC. It's a sign of weakness, IMO. Great managers hire people who are more talented than them. There are Head Coaches fired all the time who have better resumes than Pritchard and Anderson. Why isn't Shaw adding the best coaching talent available to his coaching staff? Is he really more concerned with his own comfort than winning games, as I fear is the case?

RE: New Cal OC - JohnR34231 - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 07:59 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Wilcox now has a DC who was a former Head Coach and an OC with a far more impressive resume than anyone on Stanford's offensive coaching staff.

David Shaw has shown no ability to hire coaches more accomplished than him as either DC or OC. It's a sign of weakness, IMO. Great managers hire people who are more talented than them. There are Head Coaches fired all the time who have better resumes than Pritchard and Anderson. Why isn't Shaw adding the best coaching talent available to his coaching staff? Is he really more concerned with his own comfort than winning games, as I fear is the case?

Wilcox's DC came in as the DC at Air Force when my son was there. He did an excellent job of changing the defense from lousy to very good.
Always been impressed with the staff Wilcox assembles.

RE: New Cal OC - Phogge - 01-04-2020

Shaw isn’t going to fire anyone. He’s an introvert and stubborn. I’m sure that the program decline is killing him inside but he knows that he is coaching in a mid-major conference with a fairly passive fan base. I think inner stress will result in a health crisis inevitably. In the meantime he is safe with an administration that is proud of his character and not all that upset with football mediocrity.

As with everything about Stanford football he is who he is.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-04-2020

Wilcox is a good coach. Has done a great job bringing a program from the abyss to mediocrity. Let’s see if he can take the next step.

As for Shaw, let’s see what 2020 brings. ‘19 was his first bad season. If 2020 is another bad year, there will be changes.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 09:47 AM)lex24 Wrote: Wilcox is a good coach. Has done a great job bringing a program from the abyss to mediocrity. Let’s see if he can take the next step.

As for Shaw, let’s see what 2020 brings. ‘19 was his first bad season. If 2020 is another bad year, there will be changes.

Would have to disagree that, with wins over Stanford, UCLA, Washington and an SEC team on the road, 8-5 is mediocrity. Imagine if Garbers hadn't been hurt. Amazing after Garbers 3 interception performance in the Cheez-it Bowl he became such a good QB. Coaching?

And as for 2020, if it is another bad year, I really doubt there will be changes.

RE: New Cal OC - Phogge - 01-04-2020

A classmate brought new wives to our 20, 30 and 40 HS reunions. Each one was “impressive.”

Perhaps Shaw is due but I doubt it.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 10:42 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 09:47 AM)lex24 Wrote: Wilcox is a good coach. Has done a great job bringing a program from the abyss to mediocrity. Let’s see if he can take the next step.

As for Shaw, let’s see what 2020 brings. ‘19 was his first bad season. If 2020 is another bad year, there will be changes.
Would have to disagree that, with wins over Stanford, UCLA, Washington and an SEC team on the road, 8-5 is mediocrity. Imagine if Garbers hadn't been hurt. Amazing after Garbers 3 interception performance in the Cheez-it Bowl he became such a good QB. Coaching?

And as for 2020, if it is another bad year, I really doubt there will be changes.

QBs mature. Costello made a big jump. Had a terrific year in ‘19. Got hurt. But we all know Shaw is the worst coach in America. So certainly any improvement of any player is happenstance.

RE: New Cal OC - oldalum - 01-04-2020

In the past the way we've gotten new assistant coaches is when the old ones are hired away. Muir needs to put some $ into other programs interested in making some hires to help pay for it. (hey, just trying to think out of the box)

RE: lex24 - JohnR34231 - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 11:33 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 10:42 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 09:47 AM)lex24 Wrote: Wilcox is a good coach. Has done a great job bringing a program from the abyss to mediocrity. Let’s see if he can take the next step.

As for Shaw, let’s see what 2020 brings. ‘19 was his first bad season. If 2020 is another bad year, there will be changes.
Would have to disagree that, with wins over Stanford, UCLA, Washington and an SEC team on the road, 8-5 is mediocrity. Imagine if Garbers hadn't been hurt. Amazing after Garbers 3 interception performance in the Cheez-it Bowl he became such a good QB. Coaching?

And as for 2020, if it is another bad year, I really doubt there will be changes.

QBs mature. Costello made a big jump. Had a terrific year in ‘19. Got hurt. But we all know Shaw is the worst coach in America. So certainly any improvement of any player is happenstance.

Speaking for myself, I'm not quite ready yet to write Shaw off as a lousy coach and write on Wilcox as a great one. We'll see how 2020 goes.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 11:33 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 10:42 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 09:47 AM)lex24 Wrote: Wilcox is a good coach. Has done a great job bringing a program from the abyss to mediocrity. Let’s see if he can take the next step.

As for Shaw, let’s see what 2020 brings. ‘19 was his first bad season. If 2020 is another bad year, there will be changes.
Would have to disagree that, with wins over Stanford, UCLA, Washington and an SEC team on the road, 8-5 is mediocrity. Imagine if Garbers hadn't been hurt. Amazing after Garbers 3 interception performance in the Cheez-it Bowl he became such a good QB. Coaching?

And as for 2020, if it is another bad year, I really doubt there will be changes.

QBs mature. Costello made a big jump. Had a terrific year in ‘19. Got hurt. But we all know Shaw is the worst coach in America. So certainly any improvement of any player is happenstance.

Garbers developed all by his lonesome, simply by maturing. Riiight.

As for Shaw, I only commented on his perceived reluctance for change, nothing more.

RE: lex24 - ELcat - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 11:51 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 11:33 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 10:42 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 09:47 AM)lex24 Wrote: Wilcox is a good coach. Has done a great job bringing a program from the abyss to mediocrity. Let’s see if he can take the next step.

As for Shaw, let’s see what 2020 brings. ‘19 was his first bad season. If 2020 is another bad year, there will be changes.
Would have to disagree that, with wins over Stanford, UCLA, Washington and an SEC team on the road, 8-5 is mediocrity. Imagine if Garbers hadn't been hurt. Amazing after Garbers 3 interception performance in the Cheez-it Bowl he became such a good QB. Coaching?

And as for 2020, if it is another bad year, I really doubt there will be changes.

QBs mature. Costello made a big jump. Had a terrific year in ‘19. Got hurt. But we all know Shaw is the worst coach in America. So certainly any improvement of any player is happenstance.

Speaking for myself, I'm not quite ready yet to write Shaw off as a lousy coach and write on Wilcox as a great one. We'll see how 2020 goes.

Does one bad year overshadow prior success at Stanford regarding "coaching resume"? Does prior success at Stanford not count as "credentials", e.g., Anderson generally with the D, Turner with TE U, Akina and all of the impressive DBs he has coached (including at Stanford), Gould with Love and Cal RBs (Beast Mode, Anderson, etc.). I also seem to recall others being impressed with the NFL credentials of Reynolds and Carberry, and collegiate credentials of Kennedy and Alamar. I agree that it is hard to judge Tavita in view of Shaw's influence on the offense and I do think that coaching staff should deeply reflect internally in view of this season's results, but I do not think we should discount credentials built up internally or even credentials, generally. There is a reason why those that we are praising on Cal's staff are former HCs or assistants at other programs.

RE: lex24 - Goose - 01-04-2020

(01-04-2020, 12:01 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Garbers developed all by his lonesome, simply by maturing. Riiight.

OK, I will take up that challenge. I am not sure that Garbers is actually that much better than previously. Cal had, and still has, issues at wide receiver. They simply couldn't catch. The players that developed and improved most were the receivers. Garbers always could throw the ball. That said, Cal isn't an offensive juggernaut yet. Garbers beat us with his feet, just barely. That same skill got him hurt for several games. So do I believe that Cal coached up Garbers? Yes, about as much as I believe Helton et al coached up Darnold.

RE: New Cal OC - BostonCard - 01-04-2020

Chase Garbers PER went from 120 to 149 from 2018 to 2019, mostly because his YPA went from 4.8 to 8.2, and he cut down his interceptions from 10 to 3, albeit in fewer attempts because of his injury. That would have put him right smack in the middle of Pac-12 QB’s had he enough pass attempts to qualify.

KJ Costello’s rating went from 139 in 2017 to 155 in 2018, which was best in the league that year. The improvement wasn’t as dramatic as Garbers but there was more room for Garbers to improve.

Davis Mills’ rating of 145 this year was the highest base of the three. If he stays healthy and has a decent line, I could see him hitting a PER of 160 next year, which would be good news for the offense.

BC

RE: New Cal OC - Phogge - 01-04-2020

And Mills would be even better with a running game to balance.