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Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - JustAnotherFan - 01-26-2020

Lots of people die prematurely, but it still comes as a big shock when someone who is a household name dies so young.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28569438/kobe-bryant-dead-helicopter-crash

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - JJJ - 01-26-2020

I just heard this mentioned in the WBB game. Holy crap! May he rest in peace and may his family be healed.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-26-2020

It gets worse. His daughter Gianna, 14, also died in the crash. As did another father and daughter.  They were heading to a basketball facility for the girls.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - Austroturf - 01-26-2020

So tragic.  And so sad for his wife and his three surviving daughters.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - Canalejas - 01-26-2020

Kobe's Lakers teams were the only teams I followed and cheered for before college fandom got ahold of me.  He's probably the biggest star I'll cheer on at any point in my life.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - PVTree - 01-26-2020

I'm in disbelief. One of the greatest athletes gone so young. Just tragic. He was an icon to so many.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - chrisk - 01-26-2020

(01-26-2020, 06:02 PM)PVTree Wrote:  I'm in disbelief. One of the greatest athletes gone so young. Just tragic. He was an icon to so many.

Total of 9 dead, including Orange Coast baseball coach and his family.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - cardcrimson - 01-27-2020

Very tragic indeed, especially for the family members that are faced with the loss. Mom and three daughters, two older kids of the baseball coach's family.

Also interesting how much glowing press Kobe is receiving, yet nary a mention of his little "metoo" issue in the summer of 2003. Accused of sexually assaulting a 19 year old maid in a hotel, settled out of court. From wikipedia:

"When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters."

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - Mick - 01-27-2020

(01-27-2020, 10:24 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:  Very tragic indeed, especially for the family members that are faced with the loss. Mom and three daughters, two older kids of the baseball coach's family.

Also interesting how much glowing press Kobe is receiving, yet nary a mention of his little "metoo" issue in the summer of 2003. Accused of sexually assaulting a 19 year old maid in a hotel, settled out of court. From wikipedia:

"When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters."

Not only did most journalists not mention it, but the WaPo suspended a journalist who tweeted about it:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jan/27/kobe-bryant-reporter-suspended-over-sexual-assault-case-tweet-washington-post

Also, Bob Costas got some grief for mentioning it:
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/live/kobe-bryant-gianna-dead-helicopter-crash-victims-updates-20200127.html

Mother Jones mentioned it:
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2020/01/kobe-bryant-killed-in-helicopter-crash/

LA Times mentioned it:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-01-26/what-happened-kobe-bryant-sexual-assault-case

NPR reported it:
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/26/799716293/basketball-legend-kobe-bryant-killed-in-helicopter-crash

NY Times reported it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/sports/kobe-bryant-obituary.html

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - Phogge - 01-27-2020

Sooner or later his daughters would become aware of the incident. I wonder if his recent mentoring included a soul searching truth ness. In light of what happened I am somewhat sickened by the depth of this morning’s tributes.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - cardcrimson - 01-27-2020

(01-27-2020, 11:09 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(01-27-2020, 10:24 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:  Very tragic indeed, especially for the family members that are faced with the loss. Mom and three daughters, two older kids of the baseball coach's family.

Also interesting how much glowing press Kobe is receiving, yet nary a mention of his little "metoo" issue in the summer of 2003. Accused of sexually assaulting a 19 year old maid in a hotel, settled out of court. From wikipedia:

"When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters."

Not only did most journalists not mention it, but the WaPo suspended a journalist who tweeted about it:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jan/27/kobe-bryant-reporter-suspended-over-sexual-assault-case-tweet-washington-post

Also, Bob Costas got some grief for mentioning it:
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/live/kobe-bryant-gianna-dead-helicopter-crash-victims-updates-20200127.html

Mother Jones mentioned it:
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2020/01/kobe-bryant-killed-in-helicopter-crash/

LA Times mentioned it:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-01-26/what-happened-kobe-bryant-sexual-assault-case

NPR reported it:
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/26/799716293/basketball-legend-kobe-bryant-killed-in-helicopter-crash

NY Times reported it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/sports/kobe-bryant-obituary.html

Thanks. Listened only to ESPN, CNN (Don Lemon), KCBS and KNBR. Busy day yesterday. Odd that the WAPO woman was suspended after she received thousands of vile posts and death threats.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - StanFanFam13 - 01-27-2020

(01-27-2020, 11:23 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(01-27-2020, 11:09 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(01-27-2020, 10:24 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:  Very tragic indeed, especially for the family members that are faced with the loss. Mom and three daughters, two older kids of the baseball coach's family.

Also interesting how much glowing press Kobe is receiving, yet nary a mention of his little "metoo" issue in the summer of 2003. Accused of sexually assaulting a 19 year old maid in a hotel, settled out of court. From wikipedia:

"When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters."

Not only did most journalists not mention it, but the WaPo suspended a journalist who tweeted about it:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jan/27/kobe-bryant-reporter-suspended-over-sexual-assault-case-tweet-washington-post

Also, Bob Costas got some grief for mentioning it:
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/live/kobe-bryant-gianna-dead-helicopter-crash-victims-updates-20200127.html

Mother Jones mentioned it:
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2020/01/kobe-bryant-killed-in-helicopter-crash/

LA Times mentioned it:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-01-26/what-happened-kobe-bryant-sexual-assault-case

NPR reported it:
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/26/799716293/basketball-legend-kobe-bryant-killed-in-helicopter-crash

NY Times reported it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/sports/kobe-bryant-obituary.html

Thanks. Listened only to ESPN, CNN (Don Lemon), KCBS and KNBR. Busy day yesterday. Odd that the WAPO woman was suspended after she received thousands of vile posts and death threats.

My hope is that the WaPo suspension stems not from the reporter's raising of the complicated legacy of a man to whom many are paying uncomplicated, adulating tribute but from her decision to share an apparently unredacted screenshot of her inbox, publicizing the identity of folks sending her hate mail. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/27/21083682/kobe-bryant-felicia-sonmez-tweets-washington-post-twitter
Violating legal guidelines is cause for discipline; voicing inconvenient truths is not.

I fully understand why raising this aspect of Bryant's complicated legacy the day after his death (and the deaths of nine others), while loved ones are still grieving, may rub some folks the wrong way. However, it is also frustrating to hear the kind of lionization from every corner of the world for a man who has done real harm worthy of discussion. The announcers during yesterday's WBB game against Utah broke the news on-air and then went on to extol not only Bryant's basketball prowess but his off-the-court virtues, including championing women's basketball. While I understand that he has been supportive in various ways, this fact seemed to be offered as shorthand for what a great guy he is. Adding "he supports women," without caveat, to Bryant's list of virtues erases not only the very serious crime was accused of committing but also the ways in which his legal team (presumably with his go-ahead) aggressively attacked his accuser in a way that provided a blueprint for silencing victims of sexual assault in other high-profile cases.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - BostonCard - 01-27-2020

(01-27-2020, 01:17 PM)StanFanFam13 Wrote:  My hope is that the WaPo suspension stems not from the reporter's raising of the complicated legacy of a man to whom many are paying uncomplicated, adulating tribute but from her decision to share an apparently unredacted screenshot of her inbox, publicizing the identity of folks sending her hate mail. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/27/21083682/kobe-bryant-felicia-sonmez-tweets-washington-post-twitter
Violating legal guidelines is cause for discipline; voicing inconvenient truths is not.

It strikes me a bit like nailing Al Capone due to tax evasion.  One can discipline reporters for a violation of company policy on appropriate social media use short of suspension.

BC

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - teejers1 - 01-27-2020

(01-27-2020, 01:24 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  
(01-27-2020, 01:17 PM)StanFanFam13 Wrote:  My hope is that the WaPo suspension stems not from the reporter's raising of the complicated legacy of a man to whom many are paying uncomplicated, adulating tribute but from her decision to share an apparently unredacted screenshot of her inbox, publicizing the identity of folks sending her hate mail. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/27/21083682/kobe-bryant-felicia-sonmez-tweets-washington-post-twitter
Violating legal guidelines is cause for discipline; voicing inconvenient truths is not.

It strikes me a bit like nailing Al Capone due to tax evasion.  One can discipline reporters for a violation of company policy on appropriate social media use short of suspension.

BC

I'm not seeing it:  either the "policy" she allegedly violated, or the purpose behind any such "policy."  If someone sends you vitriolic hate mail, in whatever form, and signs it . . . what is the problem in sharing that person's identity?  Moreover, what would be the policy for suspending the reporter for relaying factual information?  Again, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, at least from this angle.

You can argue that raising the rape incident is bad form in the immediate aftermath of Kobe's death.  Okay.  And if you want to inflict some punishment for doing so, then at least have the fortitude to say so.  [But we all know that would present its own set of problems . . . punishing a reporter for linking an article written by someone else that reports on the incident (factually, as far as we know)?].  

How come this just feels like more of "if you don't think like I think, and act like I act, you must be punished," even if the actions and thoughts are no illegal.  That stuff really bothers me (even though I happen to agree that the reporter should have waited another day or so before dumping on the deceased).

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - BostonCard - 01-27-2020

Teejers, on this one I think we agree, and perhaps I didn't express my position well.  Even if there was a policy that said not to identify individuals on social media (which might make sense for a media outlet that needs to protect sources), the fact that they were threats mitigates any privacy concerns about the individuals.  My suspicion is that the reporter would not have been suspended had she not previously criticized Kobe (hence the Al Capone reference).  Since there is no policy prohibiting raising very real concerns about an athlete, she seems to have been nailed for the one thing she could get nailed for (social media policy violation).

Also agree that waiting a day might have been a good idea, though I have to say, at the end of things I was a bit uncomfortable at how whitewashed the discussion of Kobe's legacy was yesterday.  People are complicated, and one can be a once-in-a-generation athlete who supported a bunch of commendable causes and an alleged rapist.

BC

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - jonnyss - 01-27-2020

her washington post colleagues are quite unhappy about the suspension.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/washington-post-newsroom-revolts-after-reporter-felicia-sonmez-suspended-for-kobe-bryant-tweets

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - Phogge - 01-27-2020

I work for a media company that frowns on social media. My agreement states that I can’t post anything about my assignment. NBD since I still use a flip phone but it’s tough on some younger colleagues who use photos as promotion tools.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - 82lsju - 01-28-2020

(01-27-2020, 11:45 PM)Phogge Wrote:  I work for a media company that frowns on social media. My agreement states that I can’t post anything about my assignment. NBD since I still use a flip phone but it’s tough on some younger colleagues who use photos as promotion tools.

what happened to your shoe phone?

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RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - teejers1 - 01-28-2020

(01-28-2020, 09:32 AM)82lsju Wrote:  
(01-27-2020, 11:45 PM)Phogge Wrote:  I work for a media company that frowns on social media. My agreement states that I can’t post anything about my assignment. NBD since I still use a flip phone but it’s tough on some younger colleagues who use photos as promotion tools.

what happened to your shoe phone?

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Only Phogge and The Chief* know for sure what happened to the shoe phone, and they discussed it in the Cone of Silence, so good luck on that one.



*  Don't think even Maxwell Smart knows about it.
(01-27-2020, 11:45 PM)Phogge Wrote:  I work for a media company that frowns on social media. My agreement states that I can’t post anything about my assignment. NBD since I still use a flip phone but it’s tough on some younger colleagues who use photos as promotion tools.

Thanks for sharing.  So I can see a policy that prohibits Tweeting about work assignments (not sure that happened here).

Also, in re-reading the article linked above, the reason for the suspension was that the Tweet linking the Kobe rape article "undermined the reporting of her colleagues at WaPo."  I can actually understand this as a general rule.  But otoh, unless you outlaw use of social media altogether by all reporters on WaPo (which is unimaginable in this day and age), when will a WaPo employees NOT be undermining a colleague's work at WaPo, unless every tweet is in lockstep with every published article?  Again, that seems fanciful.

Anyway, interesting (and nuanced) situation.

RE: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - Phogge - 01-28-2020

It was hard to put the dime in the shoe phone. And I lost so many baseball caps when we had to rig an old lipstick cam in the lid.