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Devery Hamilton to Duke - 82lsju - 02-03-2020

Quote:Duke landed its second graduate transfer in as many days on Monday, when former Stanford offensive lineman Devery Hamilton announced he would finish his college career with the Blue Devils. Hamilton made the announcement on his Twitter and Instagram pages.


https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/devery-hamilton-chooses-duke

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - SamuelMcF - 02-03-2020

Great choice. Obviously an excellent school, and their starting tackles were a true and RS frosh last season. He'll start at tackle.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - BobK - 02-03-2020

Down to 83 with Stratford and Hamilton gone
Now 7 in the portal.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - SamuelMcF - 02-03-2020

(02-03-2020, 01:07 PM)BobK Wrote:  Down to 83 with Stratford and Hamilton gone
Now 7 in the portal.

According to Langdude's chart, we're at 90 scholarships. Minus the 7 in the portal plus 2020 commits Keneley and Pogorelc makes 85. Minus Stratford makes 84.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - Phogge - 02-03-2020

What's it like in the portal? Like Jodie Foster in "Contact?" Like in the Western "Purgatory?" Or like what the Jesuits used to tell us about Limbo... babies and innocent heathens floating in a pleasurable goo? Then one day John Paul II up and cancelled Limbo. So what happened to those babies?

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - SamuelMcF - 02-03-2020

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...-ol-transfer-devery-hamilton-commits-to-duke/

He should have 2 years of eligibility remaining.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - OutsiderFan - 02-03-2020

Pretty nice for Duke to add Chase Brice as transfer QB from Clemson along with Hamilton. Wonder if KJ Costello considered Duke. Playing for Cutcliffe would be good experience for any would be NFL QB.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - Langdude - 02-03-2020

Two more years? So if you are injured a year, you get a sixth year? What if you are injured that year? What if you are injured your true freshman year? Does that count as a redshirt?

I fear I don't even understand the eligibility rule anymore.

-m.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - SamuelMcF - 02-03-2020

(02-03-2020, 07:53 PM)Langdude Wrote:  Two more years? So if you are injured a year, you get a sixth year? What if you are injured that year? What if you are injured your true freshman year? Does that count as a redshirt?

I fear I don't even understand the eligibility rule anymore.

-m.

If you play 4 or fewer games during a season BECAUSE OF INJURY AND ONLY BECAUSE OF INJURY, it can count as a "medical redshirt" if you apply for it. 

If you are hurt during your sixth year (that you applied for and got due to aforementioned "second redshirt"), you're SOL.

Note that a significant number of our grad transfers are doing this. Hamilton, Powell, and Peek will all have two years to play (and therefore get their Masters fully paid for) because they each missed the majority of a season due to injury. I don't think a sixth year is really feasible at Stanford for most players because a sixth year is past co-term territory; you have to get into a full-fledged two year Masters program (IBS did a CS Masters, for example), which is quite difficult. Plus, a lot of guys want to get MBAs, and the GSB isn't exactly the easiest school to get into...

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - Langdude - 02-03-2020

(02-03-2020, 08:53 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(02-03-2020, 07:53 PM)Langdude Wrote:  Two more years? So if you are injured a year, you get a sixth year? What if you are injured that year? What if you are injured your true freshman year? Does that count as a redshirt?

I fear I don't even understand the eligibility rule anymore.

-m.

If you play 4 or fewer games during a season BECAUSE OF INJURY AND ONLY BECAUSE OF INJURY, it can count as a "medical redshirt" if you apply for it. 

If you are hurt during your sixth year (that you applied for and got due to aforementioned "second redshirt"), you're SOL.

Note that a significant number of our grad transfers are doing this. Hamilton, Powell, and Peek will all have two years to play (and therefore get their Masters fully paid for) because they each missed the majority of a season due to injury. I don't think a sixth year is really feasible at Stanford for most players because a sixth year is past co-term territory; you have to get into a full-fledged two year Masters program (IBS did a CS Masters, for example), which is quite difficult. Plus, a lot of guys want to get MBAs, and the GSB isn't exactly the easiest school to get into...

Thanks for this information. This is helpful; I guess I got tripped up on why other Stanford players have not done this, but your explanation of Stanford grad degrees makes sense. I got a co-term, and I know how unlikely it would be to stretch that into two years.

Perhaps this is why Speights did not play (but for one game) - to reserve the year as an injury year.

-m.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - BostonCard - 02-04-2020

A couple notes. To get a hardship waiver for two years (that is a sixth year), you have to have lost two years due to injury. You can’t voluntarily redshirt one year and get a sixth year if you then subsequently lose a year due to injury.  Secondly, you have to request the hardship and the NCAA doesn’t always grant it.

We potentially will have this situation in our women’s basketball team, where Wilson (yeah, Russell’s little sister) has missed two years due to injury and may be requesting a sixth year.  Reading between the lines, it is not a forgone conclusion that it will be granted.

Lastly, in order to qualify as a medical redshirt, the physicians will have to attest that the player could not have returned to action during the year.  While there has always been some wiggle room around this, it’s not like a player can decide that they’ve already missed a bunch of games, so they might as well sit out the rest of the year to claim a medical redshirt.

BC

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - CompSci87 - 02-04-2020

Wilson is in her 4th year and is only requesting a 5th year. She needs a waiver to get that, because she played in the second half of the season in which she was injured (freshman year). What happened was that she came back from injury and then had a second injury that ended her season. In addition she missed a bunch of games with injury the next year, fwiw. So there's a possibility of getting a 5th year by waiver under the spirit of the rules even though the letter doesn't dictate it.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - BostonCard - 02-04-2020

Thanks for the correction.

BC

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - AlbanyCardinal - 02-04-2020

I'm not as close to the FB program as I used to be. Was this expected? Did DH start and/or was he projected to start next season? Does this have more to do with a good graduate transfer opportunity than it has to do with DH getting the hell out of dodge?


(02-03-2020, 12:17 PM)82lsju Wrote:  
Quote:Duke landed its second graduate transfer in as many days on Monday, when former Stanford offensive lineman Devery Hamilton announced he would finish his college career with the Blue Devils. Hamilton made the announcement on his Twitter and Instagram pages.


https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/devery-hamilton-chooses-duke


RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - SamuelMcF - 02-04-2020

(02-04-2020, 11:21 AM)AlbanyCardinal Wrote:  I'm not as close to the FB program as I used to be. Was this expected? Did DH start and/or was he projected to start next season? Does this have more to do with a good graduate transfer opportunity than it has to do with DH getting the hell out of dodge?

This was expected, and much more to do with having a great opportunity elsewhere. Hamilton would've likely started at guard here, but he wants to play tackle. That's what he was recruited to play in the first place, and it's the best chance to show his skills to scouts at the next level. He'll also get 2 years to play, which is nearly impossible to swing at Stanford as mentioned earlier. Bonus that Duke is a great school.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - OutsiderFan - 02-04-2020

I have my doubts Hamilton would have started for Stanford. Assuming full health - I know, I know - it could very well look like this:

Little - Bragg - Dalman - Sarrel - Rouse

- Dalman is entranced at Center.
- Little is going to get every chance to play LT.  
- Rouse was too good at LT as a True Frosh to not have him at RT, IMO.
- Sarell did nothing to show dominance at RT, and seems like his path to the NFL is as a Guard.
- Bragg was my favorite recruit of the 2019 class and very well could be better than Hamilton.

Not to mention, I think everyone thought Miller and Hornibrook played pretty damn well for True Frosh. I know one was better, but can't remember which.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - slide - 02-04-2020

(02-04-2020, 12:52 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  I have my doubts Hamilton would have started for Stanford. Assuming full health - I know, I know - it could very well look like this:

Little - Bragg - Dalman - Sarrel - Rouse

- Dalman is entranced at Center.
- Little is going to get every chance to play LT.  
- Rouse was too good at LT as a True Frosh to not have him at RT, IMO.
- Sarell did nothing to show dominance at RT, and seems like his path to the NFL is as a Guard.
- Bragg was my favorite recruit of the 2019 class and very well could be better than Hamilton.

Not to mention, I think everyone thought Miller and Hornibrook played pretty damn well for True Frosh. I know one was better, but can't remember which.

I'd be surprised if Sarell moves off RT at Stanford.  I expect him to be a fixture there and some of the young 'uns will go from starters to back ups.  on OL "sleepers," Chris Hinton surprised me post-season film wise.  he might be in line for some PT at RT (assuming health at the position).  he has surprisingly good, light feet and played against much higher level competition in high school than did Rouse.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - BostonCard - 02-04-2020

Isn’t it Myles Hinton?

I agree we should anticipate Little and Sarrell the tackles, if healthy, with Rouse and Hinton the backups.  Rouse did very well for a true freshman, but he was still a true freshman and has a lot of development to do. Our playbook was limited once we had to start the true freshmen at the offensive line, and should be fuller assuming our linemen can stay healthy.

Dolman is obvious at center, and is the leader of the line.  Hamilton and Hattis would have started at guard had they stayed.  I agree Bragg will likely take one of the guard spots. The other one is a bigger question, and could involve moving one of the tackles inside or playing another sophomore guard.

BC

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - CowboyIndian - 02-04-2020

(02-04-2020, 12:52 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  - Dalman is entranced at Center.

Waiting for the rapture.

RE: Devery Hamilton to Duke - Langdude - 02-05-2020

(02-04-2020, 01:23 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  A couple notes. To get a hardship waiver for two years (that is a sixth year), you have to have lost two years due to injury. You can’t voluntarily redshirt one year and get a sixth year if you then subsequently lose a year due to injury.  Secondly, you have to request the hardship and the NCAA doesn’t always grant it.
BC

That's what I've always thought. But it seems like players such as Peek and Hamilton redshirted their true frosh years for preparation and growth, not injury, as, until last year, was the custom for just about every true freshman at Stanford.

-m.