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the cost of football recruiting - 82lsju - 02-10-2020
Quote:The 52 public schools in Power Five conferences — the Pac-12, SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Big 12 — reported expenses of $35.5 million on football recruiting in 2016. By 2018 that figure jumped to $50 million, according to an investigation published last summer by the Louisville Courier Journal/USA Today Network.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/ice-carvings-lavish-dinners-and-limo-rides-inside-a-successful-uw-football-recruiting-weekend/?utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.seattletimes.com%2fsports%2fuw-husky-football%2fice-carvings-lavish-dinners-and-limo-rides-inside-a-successful-uw-football-recruiting-weekend%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-pac-12-hotline-nl
RE: the cost of football recruiting - slide - 02-10-2020
even worse.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/itmightmeantoomuch-why-georgia-staggering-recruiting-bill-change-of-heart/
RE: the cost of football recruiting - BostonCard - 02-10-2020
As long as the pot continues to grow, everything will continue. But to quote Herbert Stein, “if something cannot go on forever, it will stop” and I suspect that the next set of TV contracts will represent peak college football. And then it will be interesting to see what happens to these budgets.
BC
RE: the cost of football recruiting - OutsiderFan - 02-11-2020
(02-10-2020, 07:46 PM)slide Wrote: even worse.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/itmightmeantoomuch-why-georgia-staggering-recruiting-bill-change-of-heart/
Thank you for posting this link. I quite enjoyed the transition from discussion of the writer's points in the comments, to general trash talk between Georgia and Florida fans.
RE: the cost of football recruiting - SamuelMcF - 02-11-2020
(02-11-2020, 06:51 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-10-2020, 07:46 PM)slide Wrote: even worse.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/itmightmeantoomuch-why-georgia-staggering-recruiting-bill-change-of-heart/
Thank you for posting this link. I quite enjoyed the transition from discussion of the writer's points in the comments, to general trash talk between Georgia and Florida fans.
#ItJustMeansMore?
RE: the cost of football recruiting - OutsiderFan - 02-11-2020
(02-11-2020, 10:51 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(02-11-2020, 06:51 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(02-10-2020, 07:46 PM)slide Wrote: even worse.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/itmightmeantoomuch-why-georgia-staggering-recruiting-bill-change-of-heart/
Thank you for posting this link. I quite enjoyed the transition from discussion of the writer's points in the comments, to general trash talk between Georgia and Florida fans.
#ItJustMeansMore?
To be fair, there would be just as much trash talking between Cal and Stanford fans were there a place they came to congregate.
But back to the topic at hand, if Arillaga gave Stanford the biggest football recruiting budget in America, I don't think it would materially impact Stanford's ability to bring in more talent like if say Cal had that budget would.
It isn't however surprising that the rich get richer. It has always been that way and always will be.
RE: the cost of football recruiting - SamuelMcF - 02-11-2020
(02-11-2020, 11:59 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: But back to the topic at hand, if Arillaga gave Stanford the biggest football recruiting budget in America, I don't think it would materially impact Stanford's ability to bring in more talent like if say Cal had that budget would.
It isn't however surprising that the rich get richer. It has always been that way and always will be.
I'd mostly agree with you on the first point; certainly it wouldn't have the same impact on Stanford as it would on another school. It would help, though. (I'm of the opinion we need more full-time recruiting staff to identify prospects and get them on the radar sooner. Hell, I'd do it for free.)
Yes, all non-salary-capped sports are like this. Prime example is European soccer, but even the MLB is like this to an extent. It's why stories like Leicester City's miracle title season, the A's Moneyball revolution and 20-game win streak in 2002, or even G5 UCF's undefeated run are so special/impactful. They are rare for a reason.
RE: the cost of football recruiting - Snorlax94 - 02-11-2020
In addition to the issue of the size of the dollars, the league disparities, the fairness in paying the student athletes — I am having difficulty figuring out how Georgia can spend over 3M in a year.
First, you might fly business class, stay in a nice hotel, rent a car, have a nice daily stipend. if you visit 100 recruits (to recruit 25 kids) you’d think that could average like $1,000 per trip. So how is Georgia spending 3.5M+? Even with camps — even if they chartered private jets (!!) I don’t see where all the money goes.
I can’t help wondering if there is money going to payments and/or is being pocketed. Spending $150,000 per commit on incidental travel expenses seems difficult.
RE: the cost of football recruiting - slide - 02-11-2020
(02-11-2020, 11:59 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: ...But back to the topic at hand, if Arillaga gave Stanford the biggest football recruiting budget in America, I don't think it would materially impact Stanford's ability to bring in more talent like if say Cal had that budget would.
probably very true. we've self-sanctioned on scholarship use for years, use only about 50% of our allotted official visits, less of in-home head coach visits etc.
RE: the cost of football recruiting - winflop - 02-11-2020
(02-10-2020, 11:04 PM)BostonCard Wrote: As long as the pot continues to grow, everything will continue. But to quote Herbert Stein, “if something cannot go on forever, it will stop” and I suspect that the next set of TV contracts will represent peak college football. And then it will be interesting to see what happens to these budgets.
BC
The pot is growing...for all P5 conference except the Pac-12. Fire Larry Scott.
RE: the cost of football recruiting - BostonCard - 02-11-2020
(02-11-2020, 06:43 PM)winflop Wrote:(02-10-2020, 11:04 PM)BostonCard Wrote: As long as the pot continues to grow, everything will continue. But to quote Herbert Stein, “if something cannot go on forever, it will stop” and I suspect that the next set of TV contracts will represent peak college football. And then it will be interesting to see what happens to these budgets.
BC
The pot is growing...for all P5 conference except the Pac-12. Fire Larry Scott.
Actually, based on this analysis (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/04/the-pac-12-revenue-gap-we-ran-the-numbers-the-conference-could-fall-so-far-behind-the-sec-and-big-ten-that-it-cant-catch-up/) the pot is growing for the Pac-12, just more slowly than for other conferences.
Quote:Pac-12 School Z
Baseline figure: $33 million in FY19 payouts (estimate from published data).
Annual distributions:
FY20: $34.6 million
FY21: $36.3 million
FY22: $38.1 million
FY23: $40.0 million
FY24: $42.0 million
Five-year total: $191 million per school
I don't take a position on whether Larry Scott is competent or not (though I do agree he is overpaid). As long as #itjustmeansmore is true (which it is), the SEC is going to be more valuable than the Pac-12 and there is going to be a gap in revenue, which Larry Scott or his replacement will not be able to fix.
But I stand by my prediction that the next TV contract will probably represent the peak of TV revenue for all conferences. I just see college football entering a long period of secular decline. Maybe the southeast holds out longer for cultural reasons, but college football will be like major league baseball, which has gone from America's pastime to America's former passtime (don't @ me).
BC
RE: the cost of football recruiting - 82lsju - 02-11-2020
(02-11-2020, 03:19 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: In addition to the issue of the size of the dollars, the league disparities, the fairness in paying the student athletes — I am having difficulty figuring out how Georgia can spend over 3M in a year.
First, you might fly business class, stay in a nice hotel, rent a car, have a nice daily stipend. if you visit 100 recruits (to recruit 25 kids) you’d think that could average like $1,000 per trip. So how is Georgia spending 3.5M+? Even with camps — even if they chartered private jets (!!) I don’t see where all the money goes.
I can’t help wondering if there is money going to payments and/or is being pocketed. Spending $150,000 per commit on incidental travel expenses seems difficult.
going from Athens GA to any city not in a hub, flying on a private jet saves a lot of time. Looking at here
https://www.jetcards.org/pricing
it looks like that would run ~$4K/hour for the cheapest option (I'll assume UGA gets a volume discount).
flying to see 100 recruits at an average 1.5 hours flight time each way would rack up $1.2m in flight cost just for coaches visiting players if they visit each one once, they probably visit a non trivial number more than once
of course you could really impress the players and their parents if you flew them in for official visits on private jets (which I would assume is not allowed by NCAA rules)......
RE: the cost of football recruiting - oldalum - 02-12-2020
y'all are forgetting the cost of "entertainment," Southern style.