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Kentucky vos. Tennessee - BostonCard - 03-21-2020
Interesting comparison of data. Lots of possible con founders. (Including things like availability of tests), but it generally seems like states that have been more aggressive have managed to bend the curve earlier. Compare, for example, California and New York. CA had cases earlier but acted more aggressively and New York is the hotspot because Cuomo and DeBlasio dithered.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/kysportsradio/status/1241360418565689346?s=21[/tweet]
BC
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - 2006alum - 03-21-2020
Really interesting. So I'll confess as a recent resident of NYC that I think Cuomo has done a much, much better job than de Blasio, who (partisan politics siren alert) I absolutely cannot stand, both w/r/t to his tone-deaf handling of COVID-19 (including traipsing to the gym as recently as MONDAY), and in general.
But one thing that has been striking to me as a recent resident of CA is how much easier it is to go about one's daily life practicing social distancing if one has a car. I have been able to drive everywhere, including to and from older relatives' homes, without any <6-foot contact with others.
There is no way my former NYC life would have been possible with the subway and walking on dense, crowded city blocks. It's also much colder in NYC this time of year, so I would probably have been tempted to keep going to the gym for longer than in CA, where I switched to outdoor exercise methods weeks ago, relatively painlessly.
And while SF has a fair amount of foreign tourists, I rarely ever hear foreign accents or languages on my daily grind, whereas in NYC, it's impossible to walk through high-traffic areas like Soho, FiDi, and Midtown without encountering many, many foreigners, some of whom presumably were asymptomatic (and possibly even symptomatic) carriers. And to that end - NYC has way more direct transit connections to Europe; the anecdotal early cases of transmission in NYC were from residents who came back from Italy, France, and Spain.
So I do think density, climate, geography and modes of transportation matter. All of that said, I have been very impressed with both Mayor Breed and Governor Newsom for getting out on top of this relatively quickly.
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - BostonCard - 03-21-2020
Forget New York, then. California has fewer diagnosed cases than New Jersey, which has its urban areas but also has plenty of suburban and exurban areas more comparable to California. NJ has the second most cases behind NY.
BC
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - magnus - 03-21-2020
(03-21-2020, 10:58 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Interesting comparison of data. Lots of possible con founders. (Including things like availability of tests), but it generally seems like states that have been more aggressive have managed to bend the curve earlier. Compare, for example, California and New York. CA had cases earlier but acted more aggressively and New York is the hotspot because Cuomo and DeBlasio dithered.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/kysportsradio/status/1241360418565689346?s=21[/tweet]
BC
Given the lack of conforming that we've seen in pretty much every state that requested social distancing, I'd think the major moves by the Kentucky governor started on the 11th (schools) to the 16th (restaurants/bars). With those dates in mind and the typical 5-10 day waiting period for symptoms, I'm not sure one can conclude that the disparity in numbers is a result of the difference in actions.
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - stupac2 - 03-21-2020
A friend from Kentucky linked that image to me and I was planning on putting here as a demonstration of the effect of government policy. It's amazing. I also wonder what would be happening if they hadn't elected their current governor, the previous guy was, uh, quite something.
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - 2006alum - 03-21-2020
One other thing to note: the greater effective NYC metropolitan area encompasses four states: I know people who commute daily into NYC from not only upstate NY, but also CT, NJ, and PA. Almost all of them do so via multiple means of highly crowded public transportation. Thus:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1241430843236790275?s=20[/tweet]
This likely means not only LGA and JFK, but also EWR (technically New Jersey) and also PHL, all of which are part of this same broader, highly interconnected transit system.
There are a ton of reasons to complain about Cuomo and (especially) de Blasio, but the reason that NY/NJ/CT/PA have been trying to march in lockstep is because these states are so interconnected that you need to treat them together. And it's why Cuomo resisted a shelter in place order for NYC only, because of how interconnected it is to those other areas.
In this sense, NYC and surrounding environs is much similar to large European metropolises than it is to almost anywhere else in the United States. I would not at all be surprised if NYC remains the epicenter for longer than any other part of the country for that reason.
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - cardcrimson - 03-21-2020
Please post accurate news, not alarming misinformation. The stoppage was because some there was a coronavirus staffing issue at a facility. Lasted 30 minutes.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-faa-temporary-ground-stop-jfk-laguardia-newark-philadelphia/2891750001/
(03-21-2020, 12:04 PM)2006alum Wrote: One other thing to note: the greater effective NYC metropolitan area encompasses four states: I know people who commute daily into NYC from not only upstate NY, but also CT, NJ, and PA. Almost all of them do so via multiple means of highly crowded public transportation. Thus:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1241430843236790275?s=20[/tweet]
This likely means not only LGA and JFK, but also EWR (technically New Jersey) and also PHL, all of which are part of this same broader, highly interconnected transit system.
There are a ton of reasons to complain about Cuomo and (especially) de Blasio, but the reason that NY/NJ/CT/PA have been trying to march in lockstep is because these states are so interconnected that you need to treat them together. And it's why Cuomo resisted a shelter in place order for NYC only, because of how interconnected it is to those other areas.
In this sense, NYC and surrounding environs is much similar to large European metropolises than it is to almost anywhere else in the United States. I would not at all be surprised if NYC remains the epicenter for longer than any other part of the country for that reason.
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - 2006alum - 03-21-2020
(03-21-2020, 01:09 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Please post accurate news, not alarming misinformation. The stoppage was because some there was a coronavirus staffing issue at a facility. Lasted 30 minutes.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-faa-temporary-ground-stop-jfk-laguardia-newark-philadelphia/2891750001/
(03-21-2020, 12:04 PM)2006alum Wrote: One other thing to note: the greater effective NYC metropolitan area encompasses four states: I know people who commute daily into NYC from not only upstate NY, but also CT, NJ, and PA. Almost all of them do so via multiple means of highly crowded public transportation. Thus:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1241430843236790275?s=20[/tweet]
This likely means not only LGA and JFK, but also EWR (technically New Jersey) and also PHL, all of which are part of this same broader, highly interconnected transit system.
There are a ton of reasons to complain about Cuomo and (especially) de Blasio, but the reason that NY/NJ/CT/PA have been trying to march in lockstep is because these states are so interconnected that you need to treat them together. And it's why Cuomo resisted a shelter in place order for NYC only, because of how interconnected it is to those other areas.
In this sense, NYC and surrounding environs is much similar to large European metropolises than it is to almost anywhere else in the United States. I would not at all be surprised if NYC remains the epicenter for longer than any other part of the country for that reason.
Crim, I know I'm a spur in your heel these days because we don't share the same policy perspective, but what was the alarming misinformation? The story you linked to has the headline: "Coronavirus: FAA briefly suspends all flights bound for NYC, Philadelphia airports." That is precisely in line with what I posted, except that at the time I posted that tweet, the suspension was still ongoing, so they couldn't know how quickly it would be resolved. Am I missing something?
Moreover, my reason for posting it was to show that many issues related to NYC are necessarily tri- and sometimes even quad-state issues.
RE: Kentucky vos. Tennessee - cardcrimson - 03-21-2020
You don't see a difference between:
"FAA says it is suspending flights to NYC-area and Philadelphia airports"
and
"FAA briefly suspends all flights bound for NYC, Philadelphia airports."
(03-21-2020, 01:17 PM)2006alum Wrote:(03-21-2020, 01:09 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Please post accurate news, not alarming misinformation. The stoppage was because some there was a coronavirus staffing issue at a facility. Lasted 30 minutes.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-faa-temporary-ground-stop-jfk-laguardia-newark-philadelphia/2891750001/
(03-21-2020, 12:04 PM)2006alum Wrote: One other thing to note: the greater effective NYC metropolitan area encompasses four states: I know people who commute daily into NYC from not only upstate NY, but also CT, NJ, and PA. Almost all of them do so via multiple means of highly crowded public transportation. Thus:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1241430843236790275?s=20[/tweet]
This likely means not only LGA and JFK, but also EWR (technically New Jersey) and also PHL, all of which are part of this same broader, highly interconnected transit system.
There are a ton of reasons to complain about Cuomo and (especially) de Blasio, but the reason that NY/NJ/CT/PA have been trying to march in lockstep is because these states are so interconnected that you need to treat them together. And it's why Cuomo resisted a shelter in place order for NYC only, because of how interconnected it is to those other areas.
In this sense, NYC and surrounding environs is much similar to large European metropolises than it is to almost anywhere else in the United States. I would not at all be surprised if NYC remains the epicenter for longer than any other part of the country for that reason.
Crim, I know I'm a spur in your heel these days because we don't share the same policy perspective, but what was the alarming misinformation? The story you linked to has the headline: "Coronavirus: FAA briefly suspends all flights bound for NYC, Philadelphia airports." That is precisely in line with what I posted, except that at the time I posted that tweet, the suspension was still ongoing, so they couldn't know how quickly it would be resolved. Am I missing something?
Moreover, my reason for posting it was to show that many issues related to NYC are necessarily tri- and sometimes even quad-state issues.