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Schools in NYC - cardcrimson - 04-11-2020
First, DeBlasio won't close them. Then Cuomo does. DeBlasio now says they're closed until the next school year. Cuomo says, no they're not; and adds that DeBlasio doesn't get to make that decision. . . .
https://nypost.com/2020/04/11/cuomo-says-de-blasio-has-no-authority-to-keep-nyc-schools-closed/
RE: Schools in NYC - chrisk - 04-11-2020
(04-11-2020, 12:03 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: First, DeBlasio won't close them. Then Cuomo does. DeBlasio now says they're closed until the next school year. Cuomo says, no they're not; and adds that DeBlasio doesn't get to make that decision. . . .
https://nypost.com/2020/04/11/cuomo-says-de-blasio-has-no-authority-to-keep-nyc-schools-closed/
NY continues to be behind the curve.
RE: Schools in NYC - pefloresjr - 04-11-2020
Cuomo and DeBlasio's personal pissing matches are distracting them from working together as well as they need to. Cuomo knows without a doubt that the schools aren't re-opening this school year, but he has to waste time saying that HE gets to make the decision NOT DeBlasio. Who the F* cares?
Their foolishness makes me appreciate Governor Newsom and the mayors of California's large cities. They have worked together very well even though they don't all agree on some of the details. I know from working with some of those mayors that Governor Newsom thinks President Trump has done a terrible job providing federal leadership and assistance. However, Governor Newsom has been smart enough to not pick needless fights with the president or shout his feelings from the rooftops. Instead, he has mostly stayed focused on responding to the epidemic. That doesn't mean that the media shouldn't cover any politician's failings, but I appreciate it when my representatives stay focused on the task at hand.
Cheers,
Pete F.
RE: Schools in NYC - 2006alum - 04-11-2020
(04-11-2020, 01:55 PM)pefloresjr Wrote: Cuomo and DeBlasio's personal pissing matches are distracting them from working together as well as they need to. Cuomo knows without a doubt that the schools aren't re-opening this school year, but he has to waste time saying that HE gets to make the decision NOT DeBlasio. Who the F* cares?
Their foolishness makes me appreciate Governor Newsom and the mayors of California's large cities. They have worked together very well even though they don't all agree on some of the details. I know from working with some of those mayors that Governor Newsom thinks President Trump has done a terrible job providing federal leadership and assistance. However, Governor Newsom has been smart enough to not pick needless fights with the president or shout his feelings from the rooftops. Instead, he has mostly stayed focused on responding to the epidemic. That doesn't mean that the media shouldn't cover any politician's failings, but I appreciate it when my representatives stay focused on the task at hand.
Cheers,
Pete F.
Totally agree. Many in my social circle are confused about why Cuomo has been receiving greater plaudits than folks like Insee, Beshear, Dewine, and Newsom, all whom acted early and therefore averted the need for daily national press conferences.
Speaking as someone who's lived in NYC myself, I feel comfortable saying that the egos that New York produces are bigger than just about anywhere. Just look at the leadership it has produced at the federal (Trump), state (Cuomo), and local (DeBlasio) level...
RE: Schools in NYC - Snorlax94 - 04-11-2020
And don’t forget former mayors (giuliani and bloomberg)
RE: Schools in NYC - burger - 04-11-2020
(04-11-2020, 01:55 PM)pefloresjr Wrote: Cuomo and DeBlasio's personal pissing matches are distracting them from working together as well as they need to. Cuomo knows without a doubt that the schools aren't re-opening this school year, but he has to waste time saying that HE gets to make the decision NOT DeBlasio. Who the F* cares?
Their foolishness makes me appreciate Governor Newsom and the mayors of California's large cities. They have worked together very well even though they don't all agree on some of the details. I know from working with some of those mayors that Governor Newsom thinks President Trump has done a terrible job providing federal leadership and assistance. However, Governor Newsom has been smart enough to not pick needless fights with the president or shout his feelings from the rooftops. Instead, he has mostly stayed focused on responding to the epidemic. That doesn't mean that the media shouldn't cover any politician's failings, but I appreciate it when my representatives stay focused on the task at hand.
Cheers,
Pete F.
There is a long history of conflict between Albany and NYC. The state has a bunch of laws that give Albany veto power or the final say in things that are local decisions in most other places.
Ultimately, what we're seeing isn't a sign of bad management of the virus per se but rather a power sharing issue between the city and state. If Newsom and London Breed had joint authority of sorts over San Francisco (or whatever other city), we might have seen the same thing here.
(04-11-2020, 02:14 PM)2006alum Wrote: Totally agree. Many in my social circle are confused about why Cuomo has been receiving greater plaudits than folks like Insee, Beshear, Dewine, and Newsom, all whom acted early and therefore averted the need for daily national press conferences.
Speaking as someone who's lived in NYC myself, I feel comfortable saying that the egos that New York produces are bigger than just about anywhere. Just look at the leadership it has produced at the federal (Trump), state (Cuomo), and local (DeBlasio) level...
Good article here on how both Diblasio (mostly) and Cuomo (to a lesser extent) screwed up in delaying the lockdown of New York city/state. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html
I agree that praise for Cuomo is probably overblown. Though he seems to have done a good job if you ignore the fact that part of the reason for the size of the problem is his earlier missteps.
RE: Schools in NYC - Crafter Artisan - 04-11-2020
Bill de Blasio......... Dick DiBiaso......... coincidence?!?
RE: Schools in NYC - Mick - 04-12-2020
(04-11-2020, 01:55 PM)pefloresjr Wrote: Their foolishness makes me appreciate Governor Newsom and the mayors of California's large cities. They have worked together very well even though they don't all agree on some of the details. I know from working with some of those mayors that Governor Newsom thinks President Trump has done a terrible job providing federal leadership and assistance. However, Governor Newsom has been smart enough to not pick needless fights with the president or shout his feelings from the rooftops. Instead, he has mostly stayed focused on responding to the epidemic. That doesn't mean that the media shouldn't cover any politician's failings, but I appreciate it when my representatives stay focused on the task at hand.
Gov. Newsom's handling of the COVID crisis has been exemplary, and my sense is that he's optimized California's relationship with the current administration. Take a look:
https://www.gov.ca.gov/california-takes-action-to-combat-covid-19/
He has an 83% approval rating, tops among governors. Maybe he should be drafted to the Democratic nomination.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVUpQJiXQAEUtAt?format=jpg&name=medium
RE: Schools in NYC - BostonCard - 04-12-2020
I had not been a fan of Newsom through his rise (didn’t dislike him, but he just seemed like a generic politician rising the ranks in a blue state). But crises demand different skill sets, and Newsom has been decisive, an asset, and he has not turned things into a pissing match. Newsom has the biggest disparity between his pre-pandemic approval and his coronavirus approval.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-like-how-their-governor-is-handling-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
Note most governors are getting higher marks than the President, even in red states. And a number of governors have about 80% approval in handling the pandemic, including Charlie Barker, the Republican governor of Massachusetts (who was already pretty popular).
BC
RE: Schools in NYC - Farm93 - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 09:35 AM)BostonCard Wrote: I had not been a fan of Newsom through his rise (didn’t dislike him, but he just seemed like a generic politician rising the ranks in a blue state). But crises demand different skill sets, and Newsom has been decisive, an asset, and he has not turned things into a pissing match. Newsom has the biggest disparity between his pre-pandemic approval and his coronavirus approval.It is easier for most to approve any governor's handling of the situation when one can clearly see the Federal alternative. Newsom, Cuomo, DeWine and others all hold press conferences that are informative and inspiring at least when they are compared to the White House's daily 2+ hour event.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-like-how-their-governor-is-handling-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
Note most governors are getting higher marks than the President, even in red states. And a number of governors have about 80% approval in handling the pandemic, including Charlie Barker, the Republican governor of Massachusetts (who was already pretty popular).
BC
The NY State thing on school closure date confusion is problematic. My guess is that Cuomo assured NJ and CT that they would announce policies together while NYC wants to call it now since it is rather obvious what needs to happen. Unless there is a massive program for testing & tracing the Feds are hiding from the governors, it is virtually impossible for NYC schools to open up prior to mid-June.
This is just a matter of coordinating across the tri-state region AND allowing POTUS45 a chance to outline just how exactly he plans to start back up in May before declaring that those efforts will not be enough. The NY-State vs NY-City vs CT vs NJ thing is a bit tricky, especially when trying to affirm the dear leader's excellence to secure needed resources, but they are likely to get on the same page once they see the late April details on the federal plan for testing and tracing.
Newsom is "lucky" because he can make decisions without really needing to coordinate with neighboring states.
And I feel lucky I live in CA. CA is quickly moving down to 30th on the state list for per capita COVID-19 mortality even though the state could easily be #3 or #4 without the leadership of local and state officials.
RE: Schools in NYC - Snorlax94 - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 10:59 AM)Farm93 Wrote: And I feel lucky I live in CA. CA is quickly moving down to 30th on the state list for per capita COVID-19 mortality even though the state could easily be #3 or #4 without the leadership of local and state officials.Me too!
In fact CA could easily be the worst in deaths due to CA being a gateway to China and Asia, having a ton of international travelers (last summer, it seemed like *everyone* on Facebook took a trip to Italy or Spain), and a large southern land border.
My previous view of Newsom was similar to BostonCard’s — it felt like a lot was handed to him, but he’s been proving himself this year. As for Newsom ‘20? Nah, we still have many challenges ahead, but if he keeps it up, who knows, maybe Newsom ‘28.
RE: Schools in NYC - Goose - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 02:32 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:Or maybe Newsom '24. Biden will be very long in the tooth, and being VP (whoever he picks)hasn't been a direct road to the nomination. Newsom still has some questions to answer about the PUC and their failure to properly regulate PG&E, a company with know safety issues. That and future missteps may come back to bite him. However, right now, he is looking real good IMHO.(04-12-2020, 10:59 AM)Farm93 Wrote: And I feel lucky I live in CA. CA is quickly moving down to 30th on the state list for per capita COVID-19 mortality even though the state could easily be #3 or #4 without the leadership of local and state officials.Me too!
In fact CA could easily be the worst in deaths due to CA being a gateway to China and Asia, having a ton of international travelers (last summer, it seemed like *everyone* on Facebook took a trip to Italy or Spain), and a large southern land border.
My previous view of Newsom was similar to BostonCard’s — it felt like a lot was handed to him, but he’s been proving himself this year. As for Newsom ‘20? Nah, we still have many challenges ahead, but if he keeps it up, who knows, maybe Newsom ‘28.
RE: Schools in NYC - 2006alum - 04-12-2020
While we're spending Easter Sunday speculating on elected officials worthy of future electoral canonization, let's not forget London Breed, who I think has done an excellent job in SF:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/mclemoremr/status/1249366183192588288?s=20[/tweet]
This bit is particularly galling for those of us who keep hearing folks say that the slow federal response was because no one could have anticipated how bad it would be. It's also galling given that some governors and mayors (including de Blasio) have attributed their slow responses to the fact that they were not being given specific guidance from the feds:
Quote:Public-health officials in san francisco began monitoring the coronavirus outbreak around the holidays in December, Mary Ellen Carroll, who runs the city’s Department of Emergency Management, told me. By late January, Breed had activated San Francisco’s emergency-operations center in preparation for an outbreak—the first such move in any major city in the country. The mayor has since relocated the command post to the Moscone Center, a sprawling complex where top city officials can work in-person while social distancing. Everyone, including Breed, wears a mask when they meet, Carroll said.
Breed told me that what got her attention early on was the ghastly photographs and footage coming out of Wuhan, China, showing the region’s hospitals overrun by coronavirus patients. “A picture’s worth a thousand words—seeing the images of what could potentially happen and then hearing your doctors tell you that we may not have the capacity to handle this situation,” the mayor said, recalling a briefing during which her advisers laid out the possibilities for a similar scenario in stark detail. “We have tons of hospitals in San Francisco. What do you mean we don’t have the capacity to handle an outbreak of this capacity?” Breed recalled thinking. “That’s when I was just like, Oh my goodness, this is serious. And we need to basically sound the alarm in a way that helps us to get ready.”
She said that as early as January, she recognized that the federal government was not prepared to offer the needed help to boost the city’s supply of protective equipment. On February 25, a top CDC official, Nancy Messonnier, told reporters on a conference call that the coronavirus outbreak in the United States “may be severe” and that people should prepare for disruptions in daily life, including school closures. In D.C., Trump was reportedly incensed that Messonnier was raising such alarm. In San Francisco, Breed declared a state of emergency that very day.
A week later, the mayor was urging her constituents on Twitter to “prepare for possible disruption from an outbreak.” That same day, de Blasio was encouraging New Yorkers “to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus.”
RE: Schools in NYC - M T - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 10:59 AM)Farm93 Wrote: CA is quickly moving down to 30th on the state list for per capita COVID-19 mortality even though the state could easily be #3 or #4 without the leadership of local and state officials.
CA was 47th in hospital beds per capita. It HAD to apply the brakes on the spread or we'd be in a world of pain. Fortunately, the Bay Area knew this & reacted as needed, and CA followed their lead. IMO, being in a bad place on Mar. 1 has put us in a good place on April 12.
RE: Schools in NYC - BostonCard - 04-12-2020
Sheesh, what a dysfunctional relationship.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/nyregion/schools-cuomo-de-blasio-nyc-coronavirus.html
Quote:ALBANY, N.Y. — Late on Friday, Mayor Bill de Blasio made the momentous decision to keep New York City’s 1,800 public schools closed through the end of June. He told just a select few, including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the country’s top infectious disease expert, who gave his blessing.
But Mr. de Blasio did not reach out to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, his fellow Democrat and frequent political foe, until Saturday morning. The mayor’s top aides said he called Mr. Cuomo just a few minutes before he was to announce the news to the public. Mr. de Blasio did not get through.
It would seem that when 750 New Yorkers are dying every day, a pissing match between the governor and the mayor of the largest city would not be in the best interest of everyone involved.
BC
RE: Schools in NYC - 2006alum - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 08:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: It would seem that when 750 New Yorkers are dying every day, a pissing match between the governor and the mayor of the largest city would not be in the best interest of everyone involved.Prior to COVID-19, I had a distaste for both of them (strong distaste in the case of de Blasio). And honestly, as bad as this has been, their pissing matches over the MTA were much, much worse. As a recent NYC-to-SF retransplant, I'm thankful I will not need to find a third-party to vote for in order to find a candidate for mayor or governor that I am excited about. I think Cuomo has largely risen to the occasion after a really bad initial response to COVID-19, but there must be something about New York that brings out the bile in its politicians, because neither de Blasio, nor Cuomo, nor Trump seem able to decline any opportunity to engage in a pissing contest.
RE: Schools in NYC - BostonCard - 04-12-2020
Fair point about MTA, but at least no one was dying. A political pissing match is annoying and costly, but it wasn’t costing lives. This one is, and so one would like to think that the two would set their differences aside.
Laughable that Diblasio ran for the democratic presidential nomination.
BC
RE: Schools in NYC - 2006alum - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 11:00 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Fair point about MTA, but at least no one was dying. A political pissing match is annoying and costly, but it wasn’t costing lives. This one is, and so one would like to think that the two would set their differences aside.Yeah, New Yorkers were polled back in 2019 about which of their state's own they most supported for President, and de Blasio came dead last, behind someone who wasn't even eligible to run for President:
Laughable that Diblasio ran for the democratic presidential nomination.
BC
[tweet]https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1088254539357188101?s=20[/tweet]
RE: Schools in NYC - Mick - 04-13-2020
(04-12-2020, 08:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: It would seem that when 750 New Yorkers are dying every day, a pissing match between the governor and the mayor of the largest city would not be in the best interest of everyone involved.
One would think. Maybe they're positioning for the June 23 NY primary election.
RE: Schools in NYC - burger - 04-13-2020
(04-13-2020, 09:20 AM)Mick Wrote:(04-12-2020, 08:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: It would seem that when 750 New Yorkers are dying every day, a pissing match between the governor and the mayor of the largest city would not be in the best interest of everyone involved.
One would think. Maybe they're positioning for the June 23 NY primary election.
The stupidest thing about all of this is that there is no chance that schools will open in NYC by June 1st. Even if the number of new cases/deaths has dropped considerably a month from now (a likely thing), there will still be plenty of people in the city with the virus, and the necessary testing/contact tracing apparatus will not be in place yet. Opening schools before July is a pipe dream.
Cuomo is just trying to assert himself as alpha dog.