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Pac 12 sports back ? - BobK - 05-26-2020
Today’s announcement
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/05/26/pac-12-allow-voluntary-person-athletic-workouts-beginning-june-15
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Farm93 - 05-26-2020
(05-26-2020, 04:45 PM)BobK Wrote: Today’s announcementVoluntary workouts for SEC start June 1 (I believe) - so Pac-12 athletes are in a similar time frame.
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/05/26/pac-12-allow-voluntary-person-athletic-workouts-beginning-june-15
Wearing masks for the activities noted will become difficult. I trust the AD will find very nice masks and will clean them for the athletes, since after a single use those cloth masks will be really nasty. It might be easier and more hygienic to just use single-use surgical masks.
My thoughts on the COVID isolation protocol....if a football team gets one positive test in the OL or DL after a team practice it likely could force many athletes in both the OL and DL out for at least 5 days. If that remains the policy for the season it will be interesting to see how that impacts the types of things coaches incorporate into practice with the players on different days of the week.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Papa John - 05-26-2020
I read somewhere that the NFL is developing face shields for football helmets that can serve, literally, as masks to prevent one from spreading Covid-19. I would think that college football will adopt something similar for practices and games.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - 82lsju - 05-27-2020
(05-26-2020, 11:45 PM)Papa John Wrote: I read somewhere that the NFL is developing face shields for football helmets that can serve, literally, as masks to prevent one from spreading Covid-19. I would think that college football will adopt something similar for practices and games.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/20/covid-19-has-nfl-considering-helmet-face-guards-that-work-like-surgical-masks/
Quote:Thom Mayer, who is medical director of the NFL Players Association, said league engineers and sports equipment company Oakley are testing prototypes of a modified face mask that might contain surgical or N95 material.
“I had suggested that we should consider novel and emerging ways to handle the helmets and the face masks and the spread of the virus,” Mayer said on a podcast with ESPN’s Adam Schefter. “These guys got the bit between their teeth.”
Work on the face mask is far enough along that “there will probably be a recommendation” to use it when the league begins its preseason schedule in August, according to Mayer.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Papa John - 05-27-2020
Thanks for the assist, 82lsju.
I wonder if similar technology can be developed for other close-contact sports like basketball. It's hard to imagine how, but much smarter folks than I might have an idea or two.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - 82lsju - 05-27-2020
(05-27-2020, 10:34 AM)Papa John Wrote: Thanks for the assist, 82lsju.
I wonder if similar technology can be developed for other close-contact sports like basketball. It's hard to imagine how, but much smarter folks than I might have an idea or two.
maybe, but football has the advantage of a facemask that you can attach things too. Maybe in basketball they could put everyone in the facemask players wear with a broken broken nose with filters of some sort.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - stanfordstro - 05-27-2020
Not approved in Santa Clara County.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - chrisk - 05-27-2020
(05-27-2020, 12:18 PM)stanfordstro Wrote: Not approved in Santa Clara County.
It's not June 15 yet, but it is hard to see Dr Cody allowing training facilities by then.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Farm93 - 05-27-2020
(05-27-2020, 04:36 PM)chrisk Wrote:Guess the Stanford AD will need to ask athletes to train in the parts of Stanford in San Mateo County. :)(05-27-2020, 12:18 PM)stanfordstro Wrote: Not approved in Santa Clara County.
It's not June 15 yet, but it is hard to see Dr Cody allowing training facilities by then.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - chrisk - 05-27-2020
(05-27-2020, 05:22 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(05-27-2020, 04:36 PM)chrisk Wrote:Guess the Stanford AD will need to ask athletes to train in the parts of Stanford in San Mateo County. :)(05-27-2020, 12:18 PM)stanfordstro Wrote: Not approved in Santa Clara County.
It's not June 15 yet, but it is hard to see Dr Cody allowing training facilities by then.
The Pac-12 is recommending that athletes that fly into the area isolate themselves for 7 days before going to the training facility.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Softball Fan - 05-28-2020
I am interested in women's volleyball. Since few on this board follow this sport, I will ask my question this way.
During practice will there be a rule to clean/sanitize volleyballs, basketballs, footballs, etc after each scrimmage play or drill? That doesn't seem feasible and gloves for volleyball and basketball would be cumbersome at best.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - BobK - 05-28-2020
Interesting questions. Actually there are a number of WVB season ticket holders here
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - M T - 05-29-2020
(05-28-2020, 03:19 AM)paloalto Wrote: I am interested in women's volleyball. Since few on this board follow this sport, I will ask my question this way.
During practice will there be a rule to clean/sanitize volleyballs, basketballs, footballs, etc after each scrimmage play or drill? That doesn't seem feasible and gloves for volleyball and basketball would be cumbersome at best.
As far as spreading an infection, there is essentially no difference between the skin of your hands and the surface of a glove.
I'm not sure that cleaning the ball between plays would do much good, but then it wouldn't do much harm (in terms of slowing things down). In VB, a different ball is used to start each point. In FB, balls are often swapped between plays. (That's in games. I doubt practices involve wiping the balls down much at all.)
In all these sports, the ball is likely to be far less of a problem than the shared air that players breath. I do hope that FB will require face shields (if for no other reason than to stop spitting as an aggressive & infectious act). Whether FB gets some sort of sealed helmet with a N95 filter is another question. It might be useful, but seems problematic. I think face masks/shields for BB will be very problematic (sweat, fogging, the difficulty if it gets bumped just a bit). Basketball has a good bit more time with opponents within inches of each other than VB. In VB, opponents typically are within 6' at the net and within inches during a joust.
While we know that the virus exists in saliva, I'm unaware if it is present in sweat. If it is, that poses another risk for contact sports FB, basketball, wrestling, etc. but less so for VB. (In VB, you are exposed to a team mate's sweat, but less so to opponents.)
Frankly, I don't see how most sports can be played (or practiced) without risking the health of the players
EXCEPT if there is pre-game rapid testing (with once a week or so more reliable testing) and maybe even pre-practice rapid testing.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Phogge - 05-29-2020
Anne Killion rakes Larry Scott over the coals this morning. Greed over athletes interests. The players need a union now more than ever.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - BobK - 05-29-2020
During WW2 Major League Baseball was played. The president said the people at home needed the reversion.
I think that’s true again today
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - Farm93 - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 08:37 AM)M T Wrote:Great summary -(05-28-2020, 03:19 AM)paloalto Wrote: I am interested in women's volleyball. Since few on this board follow this sport, I will ask my question this way.
During practice will there be a rule to clean/sanitize volleyballs, basketballs, footballs, etc after each scrimmage play or drill? That doesn't seem feasible and gloves for volleyball and basketball would be cumbersome at best.
As far as spreading an infection, there is essentially no difference between the skin of your hands and the surface of a glove.
I'm not sure that cleaning the ball between plays would do much good, but then it wouldn't do much harm (in terms of slowing things down). In VB, a different ball is used to start each point. In FB, balls are often swapped between plays. (That's in games. I doubt practices involve wiping the balls down much at all.)
In all these sports, the ball is likely to be far less of a problem than the shared air that players breath. I do hope that FB will require face shields (if for no other reason than to stop spitting as an aggressive & infectious act). Whether FB gets some sort of sealed helmet with a N95 filter is another question. It might be useful, but seems problematic. I think face masks/shields for BB will be very problematic (sweat, fogging, the difficulty if it gets bumped just a bit). Basketball has a good bit more time with opponents within inches of each other than VB. In VB, opponents typically are within 6' at the net and within inches during a joust.
While we know that the virus exists in saliva, I'm unaware if it is present in sweat. If it is, that poses another risk for contact sports FB, basketball, wrestling, etc. but less so for VB. (In VB, you are exposed to a team mate's sweat, but less so to opponents.)
Frankly, I don't see how most sports can be played (or practiced) without risking the health of the players
EXCEPT if there is pre-game rapid testing (with once a week or so more reliable testing) and maybe even pre-practice rapid testing.
VB has the net proximity issues for opponents, and the teammates are often close together for blocks and dig attempts.
For most non-revenue college teams in the USA the biggest danger will be the travel as most teams don't get charter flights.
The bus transportation, the airports, the airplanes, the hotels and the restaurants are likely going to be the concern for most schools and coaches. It is hard to believe that a team travelling in November or December could avoid a national 2nd wave, so with volleyball stretching into December I can imagine they start the season but I doubt they will be lucky enough for the NCAA tournament to be completed.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - BostonCard - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 10:19 AM)BobK Wrote: During WW2 Major League Baseball was played. The president said the people at home needed the reversion.
I think that’s true again today
We could use a reversion to the pre-COVID days, but short of a do over, a diversion will have to do.
BC
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - donkey687 - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 10:07 AM)Phogge Wrote: Anne Killion rakes Larry Scott over the coals this morning. Greed over athletes interests. The players need a union now more than ever.
There was an interesting article in the Athletic where they surveyed college football players anonymously and the players want to play amid the COVID risk so the players are more likely to unionize if they aren't allowed to play.
RE: Pac 12 sports back ? - akiddoc - 05-31-2020
(05-29-2020, 08:37 AM)M T Wrote:(05-28-2020, 03:19 AM)paloalto Wrote: I am interested in women's volleyball. Since few on this board follow this sport, I will ask my question this way.
During practice will there be a rule to clean/sanitize volleyballs, basketballs, footballs, etc after each scrimmage play or drill? That doesn't seem feasible and gloves for volleyball and basketball would be cumbersome at best.
As far as spreading an infection, there is essentially no difference between the skin of your hands and the surface of a glove.
I'm not sure that cleaning the ball between plays would do much good, but then it wouldn't do much harm (in terms of slowing things down). In VB, a different ball is used to start each point. In FB, balls are often swapped between plays. (That's in games. I doubt practices involve wiping the balls down much at all.)
In all these sports, the ball is likely to be far less of a problem than the shared air that players breath. I do hope that FB will require face shields (if for no other reason than to stop spitting as an aggressive & infectious act). Whether FB gets some sort of sealed helmet with a N95 filter is another question. It might be useful, but seems problematic. I think face masks/shields for BB will be very problematic (sweat, fogging, the difficulty if it gets bumped just a bit). Basketball has a good bit more time with opponents within inches of each other than VB. In VB, opponents typically are within 6' at the net and within inches during a joust.
While we know that the virus exists in saliva, I'm unaware if it is present in sweat. If it is, that poses another risk for contact sports FB, basketball, wrestling, etc. but less so for VB. (In VB, you are exposed to a team mate's sweat, but less so to opponents.)
Frankly, I don't see how most sports can be played (or practiced) without risking the health of the players
EXCEPT if there is pre-game rapid testing (with once a week or so more reliable testing) and maybe even pre-practice rapid testing.
Remember, the risk to this age group is not too high. It is not zero, but statistically the risk of serious illness is tiny.
Richard@agnich.com - Mudhead - 06-02-2020
(05-31-2020, 08:41 PM)akiddoc Wrote:(05-29-2020, 08:37 AM)M T Wrote:(05-28-2020, 03:19 AM)paloalto Wrote: I am interested in women's volleyball. Since few on this board follow this sport, I will ask my question this way.
During practice will there be a rule to clean/sanitize volleyballs, basketballs, footballs, etc after each scrimmage play or drill? That doesn't seem feasible and gloves for volleyball and basketball would be cumbersome at best.
As far as spreading an infection, there is essentially no difference between the skin of your hands and the surface of a glove.
I'm not sure that cleaning the ball between plays would do much good, but then it wouldn't do much harm (in terms of slowing things down). In VB, a different ball is used to start each point. In FB, balls are often swapped between plays. (That's in games. I doubt practices involve wiping the balls down much at all.)
In all these sports, the ball is likely to be far less of a problem than the shared air that players breath. I do hope that FB will require face shields (if for no other reason than to stop spitting as an aggressive & infectious act). Whether FB gets some sort of sealed helmet with a N95 filter is another question. It might be useful, but seems problematic. I think face masks/shields for BB will be very problematic (sweat, fogging, the difficulty if it gets bumped just a bit). Basketball has a good bit more time with opponents within inches of each other than VB. In VB, opponents typically are within 6' at the net and within inches during a joust.
While we know that the virus exists in saliva, I'm unaware if it is present in sweat. If it is, that poses another risk for contact sports FB, basketball, wrestling, etc. but less so for VB. (In VB, you are exposed to a team mate's sweat, but less so to opponents.)
Frankly, I don't see how most sports can be played (or practiced) without risking the health of the players
EXCEPT if there is pre-game rapid testing (with once a week or so more reliable testing) and maybe even pre-practice rapid testing.
Remember, the risk to this age group is not too high. It is not zero, but statistically the risk of serious illness is tiny.
Good point. I’m a big time , if rather uneducated , wvb fan and would hate to see the remarkable women representing Stanford miss a season unless they choose to. We probably have to step back from the thought that sports or life itself can be made risk free. They just are not. Based on the “science’ as we know it, football players face a higher risk of serious harm from concussions, nerve and spine injuries and a host of other injuries than they do from CoVids.
I don’t know what injury, health risks are like for volleyball players. I’d love to see some data but my hunch is a young woman playing volleyball is more likely to face serious health risk from driving or riding in a car, riding a bicycle or jogging on the streets in the early morning.
Different set of problems for fans, coaches , trainers , parents profs tend al who are more ar risk from this. Not trying to oversimplify but why not lay out the risk and let people make decisions based on their own assessment of the risk they face? I think that in the long run that beats managing other people’s lives.
And, to be honest, I’m selfish. I really want to see our women compete for another national championship . Guess that makes me biased.